Bumper sticker: Confederate flag, and "I didn't surrender". What the fuck does that mean?

[Rabrrrrrr]

Saw it on a car today.

And though I am "location: undisclosed", I am not in any previously Confederate state.

A confederate flag on one side, and the words "I didn't surrender".

Didn't surrender when? In the Civil War? Of course you didn't surrender, you ignorant shitbag, you were 50-100 years from being born yet.

But the truth is, the south DID surrender.

And why is he carrying this around on his car while he lives in a non-confederate state?

That's like a German guy putting a swastika on his car with "I didn't surrender" and living in the US.

Fucker. Yes, you did surrender.

Get the fuck over it.

People are fucking annoying sometimes.

[BeachBaby]

1. I've seen those stickers here.

IN JERSEY.

They also have big-ass Confederate flags waving from their pick-up trucks. IN JERSEY.

Hanging from flag poles. IN JERSEY.

Fucking morons. :eyes:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

13. That's because you live in South Jersey

South Jersey and Warren County in North Jersey are just fucked. West Milford is also a scary place.

[BeachBaby]

20. Well, that's just the thing.

It's not rampant in all of South Jersey - just specific townships in Gloucester and Salem Counties. Even weirder, they all carry a southern twang/accent. It's creepy - like they are a bunch of wanna-be's. Even weirder than THAT, is that they will look people like me in the eyes and say "You goddamned Yankee". :wtf:

You won't see it in Camden, Burlington, Atlantic, Cumberland or Cape May counties. Very strange. Very concentrated. With gun racks and decals like "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" on their Hemi trucks. And let's not forget the monster-sized decal on their back window, with "God Bless America" scrolled across. :scared:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

24. I went to college in Hackettstown, NJ

On MLK Day, confederate flags went up all over town and came back down the next day.

[amyrose2712]

34. You are wrong, at least about...

Cumberland, Cape May, and Atlantic. I live in Atlantic. I see them and Still see W04 stickers. Cape May county is as red as it gets round here.

[BeachBaby]

45. W04?

This is a thread about confederate flags, my dear. ;)

[amyrose2712]

77. Yes, I know. I see a lot of both.

Milville(Cumberland County,right next to Vineland where I grew up) they have KKK rallies.:scared: :scared:

[LostinVA]

83. I grew up in Cumberland County, too

Haruka just sent me your post.

In Hopewell Township. I went to Cumberland Regional.

[amyrose2712]

86. I am from Vineland.

I live in Mays Landing now. Where are you?

[LostinVA]

89. I have cousins who live in Mays Landing

I live in NONJ now -- Morris County. In the "Other New Jersey." :scared:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

94. The better NJ

:hide:

[LostinVA]

85. They still have them down Buckshutem Road

[LostinVA]

84. You DO see ot in all those copuinties you just mentiioned -- I grew up there

I have relatives that live in ALL those counties -- some of whom are very racist. Look what happened to that poor Sikh family in Tuckahoe, for instance. And, it's not a southern accent, it's the South Jersey-Delaware "twang." I still have it a little bit.

Most of Southern NJ and NW NONJ are more racist than anyplace I personally lived in NC or VA.

[amyrose2712]

33. EW. Isn't it embarassing!

I hate it when I see them. I know where a couple are probably flying right now. And this on house only puts it out sometimes. I wonder why. How are ya by the way?

[roguevalley]

93. Means they want their butts kicked. Again. :)

[Drunken Irishman]

102. I've seen 'em in UTAH. But they're always hicks with 'em.

And I ask what their ties to the south are and they can't give me a half-thought out answer.

[BurtWorm]

2. Did the person have a plate from a state of the former CSA?

Not that that would excuse it, but it would make a little more sense in that context.

[HopeHoops]

3. I checked Babelfish on that one...

Translate:

Redneck: "I didn't surrender"

Result:

English: "I'm a dumb fuck"

[Critters2]

11. ...

:spray:



:rofl:

[Bossy Monkey]

4. Two statements explain 90% of the world's phenomena: "because they're morons" & "because I'm John";

this calls for the former.

Once in South Wales, I saw a decorative license (or in their case, licence) tag with a cartoon version of an old Confederate officer (think Yosemite Sam only grayer and in gray) with the legend, "Forget, Hell!" (It probably had a comedy Southern spelling, too; hell it's been more than 25 years.) I was so honored that my home region was inspiring idiots worldwide. I kinda hate the sarcasm smilie, but this would be the place for it.

[Aristus]

43. The spelling was probably: "Fergit? Hail!"

Anyway, that whole "I didn't surrender!" horseshit sounds pretty brave coming from people who didn't do any fighting. Anybody really think these yutzes could stand a post with a rusty musket somewhere in the back woods of Shitsville, wear rags, eat grass and acorns, and actually stand up to a coordinated charge against a well-armed, numerically superior force that had public (and world) opinion on its side? I don't think so. Just a lot of redneck bellyaching. Fuck 'em...

[TNDemo]

79. So a southern accent means you are stupid?

I agree that the guy is an idiot but it's not the accent making him stupid.

[LynneSin]

5. Interpretation: "I'm a redneck racist asshole"

nuff said

[BeachBaby]

7. +1.

[Blue_Tires]

90. +2

[bif]

6. Here's one I saw in Virginia

Confederate flag and the words: Question Diversity. WTF?

[SKKY]

49. Oh my.

Not so much hidden meaning in that one, huh?

[bif]

50. It was at a Civil War Battleground near

Fredericksburg. I really wanted to see who owned the car.

[sakabatou]

105. Now THERE'S a redneck racist.

[MorningGlow]

8. I saw a worse one today

"Abortion stops a beating heart." Uhh...
:wtf:

Since when does a clump of microscopic cells have a beating heart? Just... :banghead:

[BeachBaby]

10. Well....

I'm assuming that they are referring to fetuses that are terminated after they have a heartbeat.

[SacredCow]

18. That's what I would figure....

Late-term abortions.

[BeachBaby]

21. Not even late-term.

I heard heartbeats coming from both my sons at 6 weeks gestation. Just an FYI. :)

[SacredCow]

23. Well, yeah- tis true....

I remember that from the pregnancy days....

The freepers like to tout the late term abortion, though- despite the fact that it's pretty uncommon unless there is some severe medical reason for it.

[MorningGlow]

46. Of course

I just get irritated that fundies imply that libs are going around aborting late-term pregnancies willy nilly just for fun.

[laconicsax]

52. Look for yourself

This is a uniquely human life with a beating heart, a soul, and a personality...the works.



Laconicspouse says, "a cheeseburger stops a beating heart."

[RandomThoughts]

9. a Native American

should walk up to him and say "neither did I", and kick his ass. :)

(Said with humor to make a point.)

[jobycom]

12. Thirty years ago I'd have said it was a statement of individual pride.

We used to call it the Rebel Flag, and viewed it as a statement of local identity, that we were southerners and proud of it, and that we took pride in being "rebel" and being different. It wasn't about race for most of us, athough for some people it was. All symbols are complex, and the rebel flag had the full range of meanings, but the primary meaning was simply individuality.

Now it's changed. It still is about southern pride and individuality and being a rebel for some southerners, but the racist aspect is much higher than it used to be, partially because racism isn't as acceptable as it used to be. In the 70s in the South you didn't need a symbol to demonstrate racism, you could just say it out loud. When racism became less fashionable to openly express, the Confederate Flag stepped in as a symbol for it.

During Reagan, it became a political symbol of "states' rights" and all that coded political-speak for racism and opposition to the federal government. It always had that element, but it got worse under Reagan. Along with that, though, came the protest against taxes, against social spending, against abortion--all the stuff conservatives in southern states felt were forced on them by the federal government, and for some, though not all, that meant desegregation and racial "tolerance."

So no telling what the sticker meant to say. Like any symbol, including the American flag, it can mean radically different things to the person seeing it. In this case, with the "I didn't surrender," I suspect it's mostly a government protest, and could simply be a complaint about taxes and regulations or could be the full gamut of racism and rebellion. You'd have to stop the individual and ask him what all he means by it to understand it more. But it doesn't make him look very bright, any way it goes.

[SacredCow]

17. You said what I didn't have time to write!

(see below)

In a nutshell, to SOME people- the confederate flag has become a symbol of their racist attitude. Basically, these are the people who are too chicken to actually go out and wear white sheets and such. In effect, they're closeted racists.

[SacredCow]

14. Being a lifelong Southerner.....

I very much appreciate the local history. I love going to the restored plantations and seeing the gardens, etc...

It's very infuriating that the confederate flag has been adopted by the dumbasses as their "symbol." Some years back, I had a confrontation with one such mouth-breather. He was tailgating me and I summarily stomped my brakes and nearly sent him to the ditch. He followed me to the place I was headed and pulled in behind me (where I noted a similar bumper sticker). We exchanged some words, and he realized that he was way out-brained (and probably out-muscled, as he was a scrawny little shit). As he left, I said "BTW- Your bumper sticker says a lot... What's the matter? Too chicken to put a KKK sticker on there?" He gave me a bird and tore out of the parking lot.

:eyes:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

15. My dear Rabrrrrrr...

It's almost the equivalent of saying "He's not MY president." Well, that's what came to my mind, anyway...

The idiot is proud of his stupidity and his intransigence, I think.

:shrug:

:hi:

[Orsino]

16. Just another wannabe...

...proud of all the rebelling he would have done.

[Arugula Latte]

19. Might as well be: "I refuse to accept reality."

[Deep13]

26. bingo nt

[mix]

63. +1

[TZ]

22. That reminds me of my first trip to Georgia

I saw a HISTORICAL PLACE PLAQUE that referred to an incident from "The War of Northern Aggression"! I was like, wtf? I had NEVER heard it called anything but the Civil War and to see that on an official historical marker really threw me..

[SacredCow]

27. I've never seen that on a plaque....

But yeah- that name gets thrown around down here. 90% of the time, it's a tongue in cheek kind of reference but there are still those who contend that the South was unfairly invaded.

[TZ]

28. I took a picture.

I'll have to find it and post it..That was a real WTF? moment for this Yankee...

[SacredCow]

30. The phrase was often mentioned on at least 2 TV shows:

Designing Women (set in Georgia, I think), and The Golden Girls (set in Florida).

[KamaAina]

64. On Golden Girls it would have been Blanche who said it

from Georgia, I believe; the Rue McClanahan character.

[Jamastiene]

32. Oh, it gets worse when you get away from the more "civilized"

areas down here. It gets way way worse. :scared:

[TheMightyFavog]

47. Where do they get off calling it that?

If I remember my history correctly, The Confederacy were the aggressors in the conflict. They were the ones who fired first.

[SacredCow]

48. If I'm not mistaken....

It is more of a referral to the perceived cultural and economic aggressions against the South (and the lifestyles of southerners) prior to the war.

One historian went so far as to say that the proliferation of photography had a hand in provoking the war. His reasoning is that photographs of the grand Southern mansions in which people (very few people, to be sure) were living caused a great deal of jealousy in the North. This led to (again, perceived) unfair taxation, not to mention the drive to outlaw slavery.

[Rabrrrrrr]

56. So the North - which had almost all the industry, business, money, food farms, and education -

the north which was then, as it is now, basically supporting the south like a parent with a grown child who still lives at home and refuses to work - was somehow jealous of southern "prosperity"?

What a jackass.

Those kinds of southerners make me sick.

[SacredCow]

58. Well, making a HUGH assumption.....

that there is any truth to that historian's version... The simple fact is that the people who lived in the grand mansions were by far NOT the norm. I very seriously doubt that anybody was looking at those pictures and thinking that EVERYBODY in the south lived in such high style, and to think otherwise is pretty delusional.

As for the north having all of the industry NOW, though- Not entirely true. Chances are very high that the gas you're putting in your car was refined and blended in either Louisiana or Texas.

[Rabrrrrrr]

59. Oh, no, I didn't mean to imply that the north had all the industry now.

But it certainly did back then.

It's starting to seem like the only places left with lots of industry are the south, now that steel is gone and the car companies like the non-union attitude of the south and whatnot.

However, it's still true that the southern red states are federal welfare states, receiving back far more money than they put into the kitty, supported mostly by their big blue brother states of the north.


That historian you mention is typical of the brand of southern-triumphalists who refuse to believe that, apart from the few big landowners of the south, the south was basically a impoverished shithole of slaves and white serfs for the majority of its citizens, that was over-reliant on one crop - cotton - and barely managed to even produce enough food for its own people because so much land was used for cotton. The few landed gentry lived like roman emperors, talking about "southern honor", which was nothing more than making sure you smiled and spoke without anger when you stabbed your friends and neighbors in the back, raped their daughters and wives, or fucked them over in business.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

70. Perhaps because on January 27, 1862 --

President Lincoln issued a war order authorizing the Union to launch a unified aggressive action against the Confederacy.

[Rabrrrrrr]

71. A southern apologist?

Or am I misreading?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

74. Trying to understand this whole thread --

not sure what you mean.

[laconicsax]

53. Of course the North started the whole thing.

They started it by seceding and attacking Fort Sumter.

[KamaAina]

65. You hear "War Between The States" a lot more

putting "War of Northern Aggression" on a place marker seems a little harsh even for Georgia. :eyes:

There are also differences in nomenclature such as the battles known as "Bull Run" to Yankees being called "Manassas", etc. Saying "Bull Run" or whatever is a quick way to be outed as a Yankee.

[TZ]

87. Really. My sister lives about 3 miles from that battlefield

And I've never seen or heard it as anything but Bull Run. Of course when you live in Manassas its generally referred to as "The Battlefield"

[Deep13]

25. Any surrender by the Confederacy would have been a superfluous gesture.

The fact is, it was crushed and then taken over by the Union.

And it means he is a traitor in his heart if not in action.

[Jamastiene]

29. I cannot get over how many people still have that attitude.

Those types act like they think they were right there DURING the Civil War and make up "facts" as they go along. You cannot reason with them. It's best if you learn to stay away from them and do not give them any attention. They are seeking attention in a confrontational way. If we do not reward their behavior, they'll eventually grow the fuck up and get with the program. It's going to take ages though, either way. They aren't too bright. :eyes:

[Aristus]

51. They're beyond redemption. The Confederates were the beneficiaries of the most generous,

compassionate, and progressive surrender terms in all of recorded history. And they believe they were poorly treated. Screw them and their culture of perpetual aggrievement...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

69. ...

Andrew Johnson (Lincoln's VP) rolled back many gains
Black Codes
racial segregation in public places
prohibition of interracial marriages
prohibition of jury service by blacks
blacks couldn't testify against whites
blacks w/o lawful employment arrested as vagrants and auctioned off to employers who paid their fines

[Rabrrrrrr]

72. Your interpretation lacks historical and logical relevance.

The statement that the conditions of surrender were some of the most generous in history still remains true, no matter how much you wish to spin it to suit some pathetic ideological perspective.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

76. NOT my interpretation --

http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist136/lectures/reconst.html

[Rabrrrrrr]

78. By posting it, however, you have made it your interpretation -certainly you made it your argument.

And it's still irrelevant to the point at hand.

[Pacifist Patriot]

31. It simply means his "Idiot Behind the Wheel" sticker fell off.

[TK421]

35. Tiny dick...probably keeps several hamsters around the place

:D

[HughBeaumont]

36. Or the ever-hilarious "Heritage, not Hatred".

Whatever gets you through the night, Jefferson Davis.

[Deep13]

37. No hatred involved. Ri-i-ight.

[hippywife]

39. Yeah, that's one I see alot

along with another favorite: If I'd have know this was gonna happen, I'd have picked my own damn cotton. :eyes:


:hi:

[nomorenomore08]

41. Yeah, if you have to specify that, it's already too late.

Like how insisting that "I'm not a racist!" kind of begs the question, automatically, whether you are. :P

[Obamanaut]

38. It's "teh stupid moran." nt

[Sequoia]

40. Northern Cal?

I saw a Chevy truck driving around town with a confederate flag flapping in the breeze.

[Crabby Appleton]

42. I always liked this passage from Grant's memiors

Grant's account of Lee's surrender at Appomattox Court House:

"When I had left camp that morning I had not expected so soon the result that was then taking place, and consequently was in rough garb. I was without a sword, as I usually was when on horseback on the field, and wore a soldier’s blouse for a coat (ed note - the same uniform jacket as an Army Ptivate), with the shoulder straps of my rank to indicate to the army who I was. When I went into the house I found General Lee. We greeted each other, and after shaking hands took our seats. I had my staff with me, a good portion of whom were in the room during the whole of the interview.

What General Lee’s feelings were I do not know. As he was a man of much dignity, with an impassible face, it was impossible to say whether he felt inwardly glad that the end had finally come, or felt sad over the result, and was too manly to show it. Whatever his feelings, they were entirely concealed from my observation; but my own feelings, which had been quite jubilant on the receipt of his letter, were sad and depressed. I felt like anything rather than rejoicing at the downfall of a foe who had fought so long and valiantly, and had suffered so much for a cause, though that cause was, I believe, one of the worst for which a people ever fought, and one for which there was the least excuse. I do not question, however, the sincerity of the great mass of those who were opposed to us ..."

[backtoblue]

44. It is truly an american subculture...

I live in :confederate land: and people in my (red)neck of the woods feel it is somewhat of a brotherhood and a "rural gang" if you will. Around here it is an indication that

1. My education was tragically cut short
2. I have a 2009 Ford F250 and live in a "Van - Down by the River!"
3. I lost my front tooth in a fight and not because I don't brush or manufacture meth!!!

I have a small bit of pity for the confederate flag worshippers of the hills. I honestly do not believe that they had a chance of breaking free of their uneducated family traditions.

Edit: On a different note, a small minority of "I didn't surrender" ers may be proclaiming a rebellion to the meddling government and it's nasty ways.

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[trof]

55. I like "Fergit, HELL!"

With the little two-gun Yosemite Sam confed soldier.
;-)

[old mark]

91. Yeah, I remember it well - was very popular in the 1970's, nt

[Bucky]

57. I want a Confederate Flag bumper sticker that says

"I got my ass handed to me by a bunch of city boys 150 years ago and I still can't get over it."

And I say this as a proud owner of a Confederate Flag--well, it's scale model of the "General Lee" but there sure is a big stars'n'bars on the top of it.

[DBoon]

82. I've seen one that said "you lost. get over it"

safely from CA, btw

[Kali]

60. on a serious note it DOES go to show how bitterly "losers" in a major conflict

can hold the loss personally for generations. Something to be aware of in our adventures around the planet.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

66. +1

ding.ding.ding.

[mix]

61. the "War of Northern Aggression" lives on in his tender heart n/t

[Deja Q]

62. Wow. Was he General Lee's personal bodyguard back in '60?

1860, that is?

That old, senile coot...

[santamargarita]

67. It means he's a stupid redneck asshole!

:crazy:

[MajorChode]

68. Most of those who claim "heritage" don't even know the "heritage" of the flag

The flag they display actually is a derivative of the Confederate battle flag (which was square) and wasn't even used by all confederate states. The rectangle version was used by some Confederate naval units as a jack (not a flag). The rectangle version actually was at one time proposed as a flag of the Confederacy but was REJECTED because they thought it looked ridiculous. The Confederate flag was called the stars and bars, but actually looked nothing like the "Dixie" or "Rebel" flag. Later versions of the flag of the Confederacy had the Confederate battle flag as part of the design, but always in its square form.

The "Dixie" flag really didn't have any significance or popularity until the 20th century and has been quite often used as a symbol of racial division as early as the 1930's and perhaps even before. So regardless of what any dipshit redneck tries to claim, unless they are flying a square battle flag, there's really very little "heritage" to the "Dixie" flag.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

88. thanks for your post. very informative

:hi:

[Tuesday Afternoon]

73. This might have something to do with it --

Executive Reconstruction
Lincoln
1863 Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction (10% Plan)
10% of voters in 1860 election had to take oath of allegiance to Union and accept emancipation
Radical Republicans wanted slower readmission process
Wade-Davis Bill (1864)
1/2 of eligible voters had to take oath of allegiance

more at link:
http://www.ilstu.edu/class/hist136/lectures/reconst.html

[krispos42]

75. It means...

...there's a loser with a muzzleloader creeping through the woods looking for Yankees in blue uniforms.





I hope the postal carriers are alert.

[Beer Snob-50]

80. I think sometimes the confederate flag is a symbol for being a rebel in society

I didn't surrender to fads and fashions. I don't do what everyone else does.

[DBoon]

81. it means ""N****r, Don't Let The Sun Set On YOU In this town"

Someone believes that people of African descent are not human, and are meant to be used as brute labor (similar to mules)

We should cut out this crap about "southern heritage" and get to the point.

This is all about racism and slavery

[Inchworm]

92. Dear lord.. still life in this flamebait?

:eyes:

[Rabrrrrrr]

96. Flamebait?

How is it flamebait?

It's a real bumpersticker.

[Inchworm]

97. I dunno

It's just GD stuffs in The "happy" Lounge to me.

Provocative discourse that runs it's course in GD, then sinks. In the lounge it repeats and repeats and repeats for days. and repeats.. gets copycatted.. and repeats

:shrug:

[whistler162]

95. It means the idiot is at least 155 years of age and

probably shouldn't be on the road!

[soleiri]

98. I believe it means

that the person driving that car is a stupid dumbass

[Solon]

99. Just a point of Contention, this is a Confederate Flag:

First "edition":



Second "edition"



third "edition"



But this:



Isn't a CS flag at all, its the CS Naval Jack, and was co-opted by more modern racists to show there "true roots", fucking assholes.

[Inchworm]

100. don't reckon they had all the paperwork standards

in the cabins and swamplots

[Lil Missy]

101. It means "ignorant racist shitbag alert".

[rrneck]

103. Rebel without a clue

He's not really a redneck, he just found that flag.

[BreweryYardRat]

104. Sadly, I've seen worse.

Few weeks back, I saw a battered old pickup sporting a sticker with the Confederate flag* and the following text: "Never Apologize For Being White."

The driver was an old guy who looked like he was on the verge of dropping dead. Somehow, I don't envision too many mourners showing up at his funeral.

(*: Yeah, I know it's technically the CS Naval Jack.)