I have nothing against liberals, but tell me why ...

[foreigncorrespondent]

...they have to claim to be gay friendly, all the while they truly aren't?

Yes this thread is because of all the damned anti gay threads around here lately. More in particular this one. While the thread is locked (something I appreciate), perhaps it would have been nicer for the thread to be removed completely, so the queer community at DU didn't have to stumble across the hatred remarks.

That is the problem with the world. All the anti gay shit we see is nothing more than government sanctioned discrimination on a major level. I say that because, all the anti gay shit is allowed to remain. We see it all over the Interent including here at DU, in newspapers, on the television, on the radio, in magazines, on billboards, in churches, from the Vatican, from the Oval office. How do you think it makes a queer feel, to have to see it time and time again?

I used to look forward to coming to DU first thing in the morning and catching up on all the latest news and stuff. I don't look forward to it anymore. In fact I usually read a lot of other things before I even think about venturing over here. And DU has no one to blame about the bad repuation it is getting with in the queer community but itself.

I used to tell any queer person looking for a comfortable accepting political forum to come visit DU. I don't do that anymore. I can't do that anymore. I would feel so bad if I sent a queer friend here and all they got was homophobic abuse for their troubles.

I used to link to DU from my blog, but given my blog will attract people from with in the queer political community, I thought it best to remove the DU link. Again I didn't want to send people this way, to have them see the anti gay shit I have had to see on a regular basis here.

While not everyone here at DU is homophobic, the vast majority is, just most don't wish to admit it. The do however show it in other ways, without ever realizing they have done it.

I am so disapointed in the anti gay feel here at DU that I have been talking with my partner about begining a political forum for queers only, because we do need a safe haven, away from the prying eyes of haters. Somewhere where we can feel comfortable enough to be ourselves, without the fear of getting slammed, bashed, and dragged through Bush*s pile of crap from people who we thought to be our friends.

Any person who votes for the Democratic party and any person who runs on a Democratic ticket and yet can feel so much hatred for the queer community, or feel as if the queer community should just vanish into thin air, are nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites hiding under the safe veil of Democrats.

The people who like to slam the queer community around here, or any person who knows with in themselves that they are infact homophobic yet have managed to hide it, well begin to think about it. You are more Republican than the Republican party. Your core values are all wrong, and believe it or not, the greenies who are amongst us, belong here moreso than you.

Thanks for the chance to rant. If it gets me tombstoned, I don't care anymore. I am sick to death of having to come here and defend my community to the upmost, when people refuse to listen. Refuse to hear the queer communities cries of pain. All I can say to every single homophobic person around here is GROW UP!!!! You give yourself a bad name, and further giving DU a bad reputation of being a rather homphobic forum.

[DarkPhenyx]

1. Point out one anti-gay thread.

just one. That's all I'm asking here.

[jonnyblitz]

15. oh i see them all the time. other DU friends PM me and point

them out to me, I dont bookmark them...sorry...

[DarkPhenyx]

23. Too bad.

So there is no proof to support the allegation. We now have only other peoples word to go on, and there are plenty of people who will say the exact opposite. Therefore this thread is going to turn into another example of someone blowing things way out of proportion, ranting becasue their feelings are hurt, and they want to make other people look bad.

Well, at least we are consistant here.

[jonnyblitz]

29. yeah all us touchy fags like to make things up for the fun of it.

why would we bring this up if it werent true. geezuz fucking christ.

[DarkPhenyx]

32. Becasue you are touchy.

You are so used to looking for it that you see it everywhere. It didn't exist before, but you are going to swear blind that it does. Look at what some of your fellow brothers and sisters are saying. They don't see it either.

[jonnyblitz]

55. i am touchy about being called a liar. i can handle homophobes

i am just saying i have seen lots of homophobic comments because people PM me with the links! I was in the navy for 10 years and heard anti gay shit day in and day out. you are confusing what i am touchy about...

[DarkPhenyx]

64. So show me some proof.

Preferably with commentary and explaination. W/o any backup, which I ahve asked for on several occassions, it is simply your opinion and your interpretation.

[jonnyblitz]

70. naa...i can see by your other posts you are on a mission..

it isnt worth it. I don't have the links to these threads anymore.

[DarkPhenyx]

72. Of course it isn't worth it.

Failure is never worth it.

If I am on a mission it is a very simply one. To make sure the truth is told, to cut through the mist and fluff to get at reality, and to point out the hypocrasy and blind spots that we as liberals seem to be prone to.

[noiretextatique]

99. a mission, indeed

the truth...according to DP, and those who agree with that version :eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

101. You can't do any better than that?

How sad.

[noiretextatique]

107. actually, i alerted on you

i think the way this thread has been "selectively" policed proves fc's original point. you have more posts than anyone here, yet you have the audacity to use coded language about "screaming homophobia." you accuse me, and others of doing this, yet you weaseled out of providing proof...the same thing you demanded of FC.
what's sad is your arrogance...and that it's being overlooked.

[foreigncorrespondent]

112. We wouldn't be looking for it...

...if we already had i. And by the way, it happens to be RESPECT we are looking for. NOT INSULTS FROM YOU!!!!

Want proof, just go look at the countless gay marriage threads there are, that is a great starting point. But do not ask me to do your homework for you. I hate the damn threads and do NOT bookmark them either.

And your attack here, is EXACTLY the kind of thing myself and many other queers around here, have tried to point out. Just look at yourself, there is your proof.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

2. The Thread Linked To

Appears to have been removed.

perhaps it would have been nicer for the thread to be removed completely,

Perhaps it was?

:shrug:

DTH

[bocadem]

3. Homophobia is on the rise...

I agree. It's very uncomfortable to see. And yes, it is happening here on DU. I think what we have is good-natured straight people who are just confused.

I am just as hurt as you are.

I wrote this about the subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=5957

[SweetZombieJesus]

4. Link doesn't work

And I must say, I don't see all this homophobia that is claimed so much, but maybe I'm just not as sensitive about this stuff because I'm straight.

Regardless, there are a lot of straight people who are on your side. There's no need to go all Nation of Islam on us all because of some people who can't seem to get over their own bigotry. I for one, am on your side, but all I can say about the ones who aren't is, to hell with them. They're the backwards ones, and that's their problem.

[Skittles]

5. WHO ARE THESE HOMOPHOBES

I'LL KICK THEIR ASS. I DESPISE HOMOPHOBES AND YOU ARE CORRECT, I'VE SEEN THEM CLAIM TO BE LIBERALS. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

[DarkPhenyx]

7. So you can't be liberal and homophobic?

Really need to ahve someone explain why all liberals have to think and feel the same way.

[Skittles]

36. HONESTLY, I THINK NOT

I just cannot fathom a true LIBERAL being a f***ing HOMOPHOBE.

[GOPisEvil]

39. A true liberal fights discrimination whereever he or she finds it.

A true liberal believes that what goes on in someone's personal life is their business. A true liberal would not be a homophobe, nor would he deny ANYONE the full protection of the law, up to and including civil unions, or marriage, if you prefer. Basically, being homosexual should not differentiate you from those who are heterosexual in terms of how you are viewed under the law, and by your fellow humans.

[DarkPhenyx]

44. In this post you are confusing...

...how someone feels with what they believe is politically/socially right.

[GOPisEvil]

48. Shouldn't those two be in line with one another?

Why would I defend someone if I found them reprehensible?

[DarkPhenyx]

53. Becasue often what we know is right...

...still flys in the face of how we feel about it. Logic and emotion. Rarely do the two actually walk hand in hand. My father is an excellent example. He disagrees with homosexual marraige. He will, however, agree that it isn't right to deny the legal benefits to everyone reguardless of sexual orientation.

Many veterans feel very strongly against flag burning, yet many of them will also say they were willing to fight, kill, and die for your right to burn it.

[GOPisEvil]

62. I see your point.

I guess in this situation, my logic and emotions are in sync.

[DarkPhenyx]

67. It's always cool when it works that way.

Mine are too fortuantely. Now, even with this happy occurance it is still possible to disagree on certain finer points of the issue at hand. Particlarly when you are having teh discussion with people who are far more "emotionally buried" in the topic, or don't have both logic and emotion screwed together on it.

[Skittles]

82. your dad may be a Democrat

but he damn sure ain't no liberal.

[DarkPhenyx]

84. Why?

Because of one topic? That's pretty piss poor as a way to make an assumption. It's like voting one issue. Nigh unto blindly stupid.

And no, before you go getting all up in arms, I did not jsut call you stupid.

So again I ask you. You believe that all liberals are supposed to think exactly alike, and behave in exactly the same way? There is only one true way to be a liberal and everyone else is a poser, right?

[DarkPhenyx]

42. Why?

I can't imagine a true liberal wanting to curtail personal freedoms in any way or form, yet I see it proposed in liberal conversation all the time.

I can't imagine true liberals tolerating hypocrasy from anyone, yet we turn a blind eye to our own everyday.

[Skittles]

79. I DON'T TURN A BLIND EYE TO HYPOCRISY

I CALL IT AS I SEE IT.

[DarkPhenyx]

85. Then you fail to see it.

No big deal. It's hard to see the hypocrasy when you are so closely tied to it. Nothing to be ashamed of.

[Terwilliger]

109. what makes you a liberal if you have a fundamental hatred for someone?

[Blue_Chill]

115. Good question Ter

...

[mourningdove92]

6. Well, I guess I must be asleep at the wheel,

because I do not see all the "anti gay" stuff you are talking about. And lest you decide that I am just one of those "secret homophobes", please know that I am lesbian.

What are you talking about? If an asshole occasionally posts something anti-gay....get over it. From what I have seen at this site, that would be very rare. I fail to see an abundance or even proclivity towards homophobia on the DU boards.

sorry, but I read this as just making trouble. Maybe I am wrong, but I cant help but feel that way.

[DarkPhenyx]

9. Thank you.

Sincerly and with all my gratitude, thank you.

[jonnyblitz]

58. there. you found a person who hasnt seen them.

so it doesnt exist. right

[DarkPhenyx]

69. I've found several people...

...who haven't seen it yet. Nor does it prove or disprove anything. It does, however, mean that everyone ought to take a look at things again. Maybe look at the subject through a different filter, or no filter at all.

[Blue_Chill]

116. I have seen a few things that make you wonder

but I think they have been blown out of proportion. I mean gays aren't treated as bad as Mexicans or Christians on this forums.

[Chuckup]

8. Take a deep breath

and hold it. Don't go on bashing DU'ers as if everyone here is anti-gay. That's a misrepresentation of the people on here. Your blanket statement sounds does not sit well with me, and probably caused insult to other DU'ers who have shown nothing less that the highest respect to all members here, regardless of color or sexual preference.

[foreigncorrespondent]

113. LINK and reply:

Here is the link to the thread I have been talking about. I don't know why my link isn't working but I just went to the thread and it is still there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=93719&mesg_id=93719


As for your asumption that I am actually slamming DU, I think you need to go back and reread my post. I am not slamming DU. I am slamming the homophobes around here. I am also at the same time defending DU, because it is those homophobes who are giving DU a bad name.

[GOPisEvil]

10. Well, your link is not working, but...

..I think I know the thread to which you refer. Now, it seemed to me, in reading that thread, that there was one person in particular causing all the trouble, and it was the vast majority of other posters who were attempting to set him straight (no pun intended).

I think DU is an extremely gay-friendly site. You, for example, are free to display a symbol of the homosexual lifestyle with no fear of repercussion from the administrators and members here (in large part). I disagree vehemently with your statement that the vast majority of members here are homophobic. That, im my humble opinion is utter crap. You can't have it both ways. You can't decry generalizations with one statement; and then make one with the next.

Just some points for consideration...

[bocadem]

12. Your statement

free to display a symbol of the homosexual lifestyle

This is offensive.

To refer to someone's existance as the "homosexual lifestyle" falls in step with the anti-gay movement's position that sexuality is a choice...

[GOPisEvil]

16. Excuse me? That is offensive????

Oh, please!!!! Homosexuality is no more a choice than height or race or gender...

Maybe you should publish a book so us uneducated heathens can try to be fucking supportive without pissing you off.

spelling edit

[bocadem]

18. Why the hostility?

Can you see now why we feel threatened? You just blew up.

Is being tolerant too much for you to handle?

[GOPisEvil]

20. You called me a homophobe...

This is something I am not. I object to being labeld (especially incorrectly) as much as the next person.

I am an extremely tolerant person, when it comes to groups. I reserve my intolerance for selected individuals.

[bocadem]

22. I did not.

Please quote me. Show me the quote where I say "You are a homophobe."

Don't put words in my mouth.

[GOPisEvil]

26. OK, fine...

Your statement was, in part, "...falls in step with the anti-gay movement's position that sexuality is a choice...". There.

That is an attack on my character. I was trying to offer my support, and instead I get accusations.

[GOPisEvil]

31. Tell ya what...I can help you avoid this in the future.

If you had said, "The way you phrased your statement can be interpreted as offensive because anti-gay people use that phrasing to indicate that homosexuality is a choice."

Now that is non-accusatory...I would have responded something like, "I didn't realize that, I certainly meant no offense. I'll watch how I say things in the future."

[bocadem]

63. Sure.

I would have responded something like, "I didn't realize that, I certainly meant no offense. I'll watch how I say things in the future."


I seriously doubt it.

[GOPisEvil]

68. Thank you for doubting my veracity.

Much appreciated. Have a great evening.

[DarkPhenyx]

21. You might consider how often....

...people on the other side of the discussion simply blow up. Non-threatening and innocent commetns get blown way out of proportion and used as a weapon to say "see! we are so horribly persicuted, even by people who are supposed to be supporting us." 99% of teh time, here at DU at least, the individual who is suddenly on teh defensive, adn very confused as well, was being supportive.

[SweetZombieJesus]

24. Christ, poor choice of words and you crucify the guy

It couldn't just be poor wording, OBVIOUSLY the guy is a raging homophobe GOP operative here working psy-ops :eyes:

This kind of knee jerk bullshit helps NO ONE, and just makes dedicated liberals feel like assholes for supporting our gay brothers and sisters when we make a little faux pas and you immediately start labeling us homophobes.

[DarkPhenyx]

28. *applauding quietly* n/t

[DarkPhenyx]

19. Just love when...

...folks choose one line in a post and jump all over it w/o considering the intent behind the post. It's just so constructive when we do that.

[noiretextatique]

33. let ask a question: are you gay?

btw, i don't think DU it particularly homophobic as discussion boards go...perhaps just a few loudmouths. but i do get the point that liberals should strive to be liberal...about all issues.

you may not notice homophobia as much as a gay person does. the same way with racism, those who are adversely affected by it tend to notice it more.

so, if fc, who is gay, is perceiving homophobia...could it be that, perhaps, her perceptions are as valid as yours in not perceiving the same thing?

and why are you so insistent on proving her wrong?

[DarkPhenyx]

34. As usual I'll say it dosen't matter...

...if I am or not. There are several homosexual people on this board who have said that they do not see waht you see in these threads. It is entirely possible that I don't see it because it isn't there, and that you see it because you are expecting to see it everywhere.

[noiretextatique]

38. a tad defensive...people say the same thing about racism

that's because people may perceive things differently. again, isn't it resonable to assume a gay person might be more aware of homophobia than a straight person? DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i say fc perceptions are as valid, perhaps more than yours. if you aren't among the people she's written about...then :wtf: are you so defensive? do you own DU stock or something?

[DarkPhenyx]

40. They are no more, or less valid.

You simply have a different view on the subject. As a wise person once said though "debate is like picking raspberries. You miss a lot if you come at it from only one direction."

isn't it resonable to assume a gay person might be more aware of homophobia than a straight person?

Reasonable? Prehaps, prehaps not...but how would you explain the homosexuals that think post like this are dead wrong, and that the thread being ranted about are not in the least homophobic?

[noiretextatique]

46. what about them?

:shrug: they are entitled to their opinions. even if you are one of them, then you STILL have a HELL of a nerve tell this woman what she perceives isn't happening just because you don' see it.

this is exactly the same response sapphocrat got when she posted something similar, btw.

[DarkPhenyx]

51. In that case you/she have a hell of a lot of nerve...

...saying that it is happening when it isn't. Perception is one thing, reality something far, far, different in most cases.

If it is possible that both sides are seeing something then it is all opinion. Until we have facts and proof it is all opinion and inuendo. That being the case nerve has nothing to do with it.

[noiretextatique]

59. facts are subjective

also. my perceptions of the facts here are quite different than yours.
as with sapphocrat's post, and other posts here in the lounge...sometimes you need to read between the lines.

[DarkPhenyx]

71. Facts aren't subjective.

Well, they are if you are a Republican, but that's a different topic.

Both you and Saphocrat are wrong. Thre really wasn't anything between the lines. Again...it's entirely possible you went looking for it and you found it.

Go to Egypt. Look for proof that aliens built the pyramids. Guess what. You'll find that too. There are people who believe this and you can't tell them othewise.

I'm a scientist. If I'm not careful I see all the proof I need in my experiments to prove my pet hypothesis. The guy who found the really heavy transuranics had that problem. Funny thing was when people went back and tried to repeat his experiemnt it didn't work. They looked at his data and it was faulty. He didn't see it becasue he didn't want to.

[noiretextatique]

86. fact: america is a racist country

there are many who would disagree with this fact, and no doubt have facts of their own to prove me wrong.

what was between the lines in sapphocrat's post was despair...and what she was asking for was support. i don't know what's going on with fc, but i doubt it's all about DU...it could be, but that's just my guess. i know a bit about her, and this post seem very unlike what i know of her.

perhaps she's just fed-up with the facts, as she sees them. or perhaps it's something else.

[DarkPhenyx]

90. No, not a fact.

There are racist elements in teh country, and there are organizations that are racist. The entire country is not racist though.

If saphocrat was in despair then that is a completely different subject as well.

If all of this is "as fc see the facts" then it isn't fact, but her opinion. Her interpretation of them.

Some people look at the Bible and say that it speaks against homosexuality and that it is fact. Some say it dosen't and that it is fact. Both are interpretations of the same bits of text. Both could be wrong, either could be right. But in the end we are still dealing with opinion and interpretation. Not fact.

My opinion onthat is that the Bible does indeed condem homosexuality. I also say, so fucking what...it's jsut a book.

[noiretextatique]

93. see, i told you facts are subjective.

i say america is a racist country because of its history of racism, as law, custom, and tradition...not because some people still practice and preach white supremacy. facts...opinion...it is still subjective. she sees what she sees...you see what you see. since you aren't her, you have no clue as to what is and is not fact to her.
i hear a lament in fc post that i've heard before...why don't people who call themselves liberals have liberal attitudes...about everything? a liberal view of the bible would lean towards more liberal interpretations of it.

as to the lament...i think it has some merit, however, i really don't don't have high expectations, even of people who call themselves liberals. perhaps some have higher expectations than i do.

[DarkPhenyx]

95. No, you provided a subjective statement.

The fact itself isn't. Of course flawed logic isn't new for you.

[noiretextatique]

102. but your simplistic bullshit is fact, right?

:puke: you are so full of yourself, you wouldn't know a fact, not preapproved by you, if it hit you over the head. illogical...is believing YOU have all the facts.

[DarkPhenyx]

105. Ah, but I don't believe that.

In fact I am 100% certain that I don't have all the facts. I do, however, believe I can see the difference between fact, and the rest of the chaff.

[jonnyblitz]

91. well...i dont see lots of homophobic comments but i see some.

I don't share the degree of anger of FC by a longshot but people who have never experienced discrimination usually assume that if it isnt blatant, it isnt there. All I know is what i have seen and what other DUers have sent me links to ....its just interesting how voracious some are who are trying to shut us up and call us liars.

[DarkPhenyx]

98. PLease provide just one homophobic statement.

one...hell, I'll even take one from an obvious troll at this point. Even if tehy were tombstoned imeadiately after making the post.

I don't have any anger with fc about this or anything else. At worst I am sad that they are so blinded by their own bias that they see enemies everywhere, even among friends. That's bordering on paranoia.

[jonnyblitz]

103. If I had links to the old threads I would , DarkPhenyx

:(

[DarkPhenyx]

106. I know.

But my opinion is that there aren't that many posts that could be offered, let alone entire threads which seems to be the prevailing thought lately. The simple fact that somone is sending you links to these threads, at least I think you said that was the case, takes em back to one of my original thoughts on the subject. If you go looking for something you are goig to find it...even if it isn't really there.

[jonnyblitz]

108. well...if they are sent to me without my requesting them to

(and the people sending me the links are straight, I don't exchange PMs with any other gay folks on DU) how am i personally looking for it? why would somebody be "looking" for it?? sympathy? seriously what do you think? I dont understand why u question peoples motives for bringing this up? what would the motive be? I dont get it. I RARELY experience homophobic stuff in my offline life, to be honest, but I am not going to question somebody else if they have.

[Uzybone]

11. Sweeping generalization

how can you say the "vast majority" of people here are homophobic and then present no evidence (apart from a deleted thread) to back it up. Thats nonsense.

[jonnyblitz]

13. I am getting to your point.

Not only with the homophobia (particularly the kind disquised as "spiritual struggle") but the anti progressivism with all this neurotic nader bashing. I dont care if i get tombstoned anymore either...i feel like i am in free republic half the time...I think people in here hate Bush because he isnt a Democrat more than because he is a conservative.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

43. There is a lot of misdirected anger here lately

how about aiming it at Bushco vs. homosexuals/Nader/Lieberman/women/whomever?

There are many kinds of Democrats but a lot of what I've seen here lately is anything but progressive. I prefer to stay out of the fray...

[buddhamama]

80. i'll second that

the problem with some imho, is that, they have one goal and one goal only winning elections. sounds swell,and i have heard all the arguments why this should our priority but, when some are ready to ignore discriminate whatever, a 'group' of people for the sake of winning over the larger population...arrrgghh :mad:
where are the ideals and prinicials we are supposed to be about?
i don't want to appeal to repubs conservatives anyone, who would hate others and deny them their human rights just to win elections.
imo,that's not winning.

[private_ryan]

92. I HATE Nader

what does that make me?

[Pocho]

14. ANY FORM OF BIGOTRY, WHETHER INTENDED OR OTHERWISE

hurts not only the target and the source but us all. Fight it!

[KG]

17. you've mistaken DU for a 'liberal' BBS.

used be a long time ago, but they allow a few conservative to hang out here as long as they pretend to be 'democrats'

so don't feel obliged to defend your world to the few morons here.

try the 'ignore' feature, it works.

[DarkPhenyx]

27. I think the ignore feature...

...is one of the worst things ever created. Particularly on a political discussion board. "Gee, I don't like what this person has to say so I'll just put them on ignore." It's the electronic equivilant of holding your hand over your ears and screaming "Blah, blah, blah, I'm not listening, blah, blah, blah." Are we honestly that sensitive and fragile?

When we quit listening we can't solve the problems, and they simply get worse. People go to war over lesser misunderstandings.

[SOteric]

35. I disagree

I might subscribe more to your point of view if I thought discussion with irate individuals were the only or even the best way to reflect on my viewpoints, to grow them and to change them.

As it happens, I don't.

I have put very few people on the internet and in fora in killfiles or 'ignore' boxes. The ones I do omit are mouth-frothing, screed spewing trolls and disruptors. They have nothing to offer in terms of discussion or the evolution of my thought, they're just there to get a rise out of someone.

[DarkPhenyx]

37. that's a slightly different subject....

...than placing people on ignore simply because you disagree with them. Unfortunately some people on this board do exactly that.

[LWolf]

25. I disagree.

I think DU is a gay-friendly site. Yes, I'm straight. No, I'm not the least bit homophobic. I've loved enough gay people to know that sexual preference is not an indication of character, one way or another. I'm sure you've run into a few posters who offended you. A few posters do not define a 30,000+ member site. I've run into a few myself. That's what the ignore function is for.

[buddhamama]

30. i hope you know, FC

that i am not a closet homophobe.

i agree that is discrimination. the continued violation of Human Rights. it is disgusting, sad and makes me very ashamed.

[noiretextatique]

41. fc...i hear you

i don't know if it's true that the vast majority of people here are homophobic. i think what happens here a lot is many of the sensible people stay away from certain topics...so the unresonable people sound a lot louder. at least that's what i've come to see. the racists here, for example...after two years, i can see they are a small, but predictable bunch, so i am never surprised when they uncloak. anyway...you make some great points, and your feelings are valid. glad you took this opportunity to rant, and to teach. i think you struck a nerve :hi:

[DarkPhenyx]

45. Personally I feel it is unreasonable to even say that...

...many people here on DU are homophobic.

[noiretextatique]

49. did YOU write MY post?

and forget to tell me?
i don't know if "some" "many" "most" or "all" people on DU are homophobic...that's why "I" posted what "I" did.

[GOPisEvil]

50. Sounds like she said it was a "small, but predictable" faction...

Maybe I mis-read that...

[noiretextatique]

52. indeed i did, friend

:wtf: someone seems to be talking out of both sides of his/her mouth.

a small and predictable group of racists and homophobes (and assorted other isms)...a larger group of people who are perhaps clueless, but not mean-spirited intentionally...a large, i think, group of people who are great.

anyway...that's how i see things.

[GOPisEvil]

56. You know...I *knew* posting here was a mistake...

I think I am going to be one of the quiet, sensible ones from now on. :-)

[noiretextatique]

61. LOL...not a chance

i don't think that's possible :hi:

[DarkPhenyx]

57. and I said...

...it is actually much smaller than even they think it is.

[noiretextatique]

65. who are "they?"

and why am i asking? and how on earth do you have the definitive answer for everyone else?

[DarkPhenyx]

73. The people who are constantly...

...and loudly, screaming "homophobia" on this list.

I don't have the difinitive answer for everyone else. Not on every subject anyway. I've never claimed to.

[noiretextatique]

77. who are they? you demanded "proof"

so prove it.

who are "the people who are constantly and oudly screaming "homophobia" on this list?"


let's see if you have the definitive answer to this assertion...

[DarkPhenyx]

83. You for starters.

n/t

[Name removed]

88. Deleted message

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[DarkPhenyx]

94. You go first.

Since my request predates yours please have the honor to address that first.

[Name removed]

96. Deleted message

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[DarkPhenyx]

100. You are, however, one of the folks...

...screaming loudest on every thread like this one.

UNtil you provide an answer to mine I feel no obliation to answer yours. You say it exists, my question has been asked on several threads and I have yet to see anyone even try to respond.

or are you just a hypocrite?

Awwwww, that's so cute. You learned a new word. Don't think I didn't notice.

[Name removed]

104. Deleted message

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[noiretextatique]

110. again, i object here moderators

how is it that this person, who has more posts than anyone this thread, be allowed that claim that others are "screaming homophobia?" :wtf: is wrong with this picture? if his claims are true, and aren't personal attacks...then may i ask:
:wtf: is he "screaming?"

[jonnyblitz]

111. interesting isnt it...

:crazy:

[Duncan Grant]

54. Always nice to see you here in these threads...

fighting the good fight. Glad you got our back. :hi:

[noiretextatique]

78. i got your back alright

:hi: since i'm one of "us" :hi:

[Duncan Grant]

47. I see homophobia here from time to time...

and I did see the thread about "I have nothing against homosexuals but I don't understand why I have to hear about them all the time", blah, blah, blah... God, that pissed me off. I suspect that was the Threaderizer's intention all along. Thankfully, Noiretblu was there to call him/her on their shit.

And some of the posters who have responded to this thread were the very people who argued that gay people shouldn't be so goddamn sensitive, *and* that those who spew this shit should be able to post whatever the hell he/she wants *and* people like me should just accept it. Fuck that. (deep breath)

Yes, there is homophobia at DU and unless you're a queer person--don't insult me by trying to suggest otherwise. Usually, I just ignore the fag-bait threads and the flamefests which follow but I wanted to chime in here to support foreigncorrespondent's claim that homophobia does indeed exist here at DU. Thankfully, it only pops up (overtly) every 2 weeks or so.

(heavy sigh) Enough. Thanks for the post FC -- I'm outta here for the day.

[DarkPhenyx]

60. *laughing*

Yup! It was about time for this post to come out. It's always a race to see who gets to it first.

[Duncan Grant]

117. You're such a charmer DP...

and so smug, too!

The next time I have any confusion about homophobia here at DU I'll be sure to consult you. After all, I shouldn't trust myself about what I may or may not read here. Nice to know that you've got this handled for all of us.

Champ or chump, the difference is you. Er, rather, I mean "U".

[bocadem]

66. great post

hit the nail on the head.

[DarkPhenyx]

75. Unfortunately the nail...

...was in completely the wrong board. That's cool though.

[ForrestGump]

76. This unprovoked brutality toward nails has just got to stop

[private_ryan]

74. I have nothing against gays but tell me why

everytime someone doesn't 100% of the latest GLAAD edicts that person is called a homophobe? You go even further, calling the vast majority of the board homophobic. I am surprised the DU is still online after you removed the link from your blog...

Your rant reminds me of the other side when they call us "un-American" or "un-patriotic" when we disagree with a war or foreign policy disaster, or when some ultra- feminists here call some guys here rapists supporters or anti-women when we wonder if a certain rape law is unbalanced.

Personally I think you're not happy that you're gay, and you're taking the anger on everyone here. It's not our fault and to borrow a couple of your words: GROW UP!!!!

Also, use the ignore feature, it's great!

[mourningdove92]

81. Are We There Yet?

Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet??????????

NO, and we still have a long way to go. Maybe I am just old enough to see how far we have come. Homophobia has been around a looooonnnng time. We have made enormous progess, but still have quite a long road ahead of us. Curing this disease will take a lot of patience, caring, understanding and tolerance, FROM BOTH SIDES.

[DarkPhenyx]

87. Amen!

We are definately not there yet, but we sure as hell have a lot more of the road behind us than we do have in front of us. Isn't it always the last few miles that are the longest?

[noiretextatique]

89. damn, fc...as with sapphocrat, i am forced to eat my words

as with sapphocrats thread, the proof is in the pudding.
you have my 100% support :hi:

[Generic Other]

97. I don't want to be intolerant or embarass myself by my ignorance

Any intolerance I express I would like to blame on childhood conditioning, but all the ignorance I exhibit is my own.

I sincerely believe we are all basically born bi-sexual and polyandrous. We are capable of forming all types of loving relationships. Conditioning by society influences our tastes and narrows our choices. Most of us limit our own sexuality without question when we discover we are expected to choose. For one reason or another, a lot of people persist in believing their choices are the only ones that represent some sort of measureable norm. They are wrong.

We have as many choices as there are people, but not one good reason to judge.

My 2 cents

[TrogL]

114. I watch for homophobia

I'm bi, I'm a former moderator and I take homophobia seriously. I alert each time I see it.

I haven't alerted in ages.

I've seen a few things where people don't understand or don't have the right terminology at their fingertips. The post above mentioning the "homosexual lifestyle" is a perfect, innocuous example.

If you want to see rampant homophobia, spend some time on practically any unmoderated board. The Freepers are everywhere.

You've got a chip on your shoulder the size of an anvil. You're picking for a fight. There's no point in doing it here - you're not only preaching to the choir, you're starting to annoy them.

If you want, I can suggest some other boards where your talents would be better put to use.

[Kenneth ken]

118. a comment

foreigncorrespondent wrote, " I am so disapointed in the anti gay feel here at DU that I have been talking with my partner about begining a political forum for queers only, because we do need a safe haven, away from the prying eyes of haters. Somewhere where we can feel comfortable enough to be ourselves, without the fear of getting slammed, bashed, and dragged through Bush*s pile of crap from people who we thought to be our friends. "

While there is certainly some anti-gay sentiment on DU; my question is, if you start a forum "for queers only" will it be a pay-to-enter site? If it isn't; and becomes popular at all, it seems highly likely it would, as DU does, get disrupters who would post anti-gay hate messages on that forum as well.

My underlying point is, DU is a free site. It is moderated by volunteers, who are not around 24x7x365 so there is always going to be a certain amount of attacks by disrupters. I don't know what all is involved in banning posters, so I can't say this poster or that poster should be banned. Most flame-fests I just skip over (as I did most posts in this thread.)

I DO strongly agree with you that the linked thread used as an example of the homophobia here SHOULD be deleted entirely, rather than just locked. It is still available at the time I started my comment, and that is to be regretted, at the very least.

[piece sine]

119. Someone Wants Proof? OK

A few days ago -- in the media section -- there was a vicious, hetro-flamer thread on Matt Drudge from DrudgeReport. Anyone else remember? DU flamers (the straight kind) could think of no worse insult than to go after his sexual orientation. Granted, Drudge's politics may be reviled -- although his billion+ website can not be ignored by anyone who closely watches politics simply because it's far too influential with news assignemnt editors -- but I digress.

Matt was knocked primarily because he is gay and it was pretty-much frat-boy style tauting and name-calling. It was ugly, DUers. It was real ugly.

I'm admittedly a newcomer here -- I'm out in my profile, out in my life -- but for me, being gay is only one facet my political and personal make-up. Sad to say it's still a straight, white man's world, even at DU. Wanna change the world? Charge yourself.

[foreigncorrespondent]

120. I have to agree with you.

The straight people and the coset fags around here do tend to use being gay as some sort of insult. Hell just look back through the archives over at old DU and look for the Bush* is gay threads. It is unbelievable.