20 Reasons why you need to support Clark for the Nomination

[VoteClark]

1) Repukes have a 35% lead on the Democrats in the area of National Security and Defense.

2) American voters say that the "War on Terrorism" is the chief concern they will vote on for President in the 2004 election.

3) The 8 million Veterans and 1.3 million military men and women in uniform now vote 2 to 1 in favor of the Republican Candidate. Many of them in key states like Florida, Colorado, Virginia, and Missouri.

4) Bush went AWOL for his Military Service. Clark took 4 bullets for his service.

5) Clark is an expert debater and highly trained and educated in the areas of National Security and the National Budget, having worked on the US Budget when he worked in the White House, and it was balanced.

6) Clark can impersonate Bush fairly well. A good tactic to make fun of him on the Campaign Trail

7) Clark is pro-gun. He owns 21 guns. This is creditable for the southern gun rights voters.

8) He is better looking and taller than Bush

9) He is a good compromise on the issues of all the candidates running now. Pro-Choice, Pro-Affirmative Action, Pro-Gay, Balanced Budget, and against the war in Iraqi.

10) None of the other candidates is pulling away from the current pack. After Labor Day when Clark enters, immediate support would show the Republicans the Democratic Party is united and ready to seriously take him on.

11) Clark is from Arkansas, a southern state that was taken by Bush in the last election.

12) Clark is good friends with Soros, and multi-billionaire, who will run campaign ads against Bush.

13) He is a Rhoads Scholar and will be able to make good decisions when he gets into office.

14) If Clark chooses a VP like Gov. Warner-VA, the duo Southern boys would threaten the electoral base of Bush, taking Arkansas, Virginia, and West Virginia.

15) Clark is good friends with Bill Clinton, Hillary, and numerous other high profile Democrats.

16) Clark was born into a disadvantaged family, not a rich privileged multi-millionaire family. A family that more Americans can relate to.

17) Clark was never caught in a lie.

18) Clark knows how to speak and is good under pressure

19) Clark started Leadership for America. A youth group that is on the High School, College, and University Colleges in America giving him great support and ground troops in every major city in the country.

20) When Clark was getting shot in Vietnam, Bush was getting bombed in Texas :)

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J4Clark

[ButterflyBlood]

1. and one reason not to

he's not running.

now for some rebuttals:

2. Find one recent poll at www.pollingreport.com that shows national security over the economy as top concern.

3. They definately won't vote for Bush after he's slashed their benefits. Any Democrat candidate could carry them.

7. So is Dean who you hate so much

8. Who isn't?

He would be a good candidate, but he's not the only way like you seem to think. At least support someone now that we know will definately run.

[VoteClark]

3. I do, I support Kerry Until Labor Day

After that Time, I will be supporting Clark for President. I make no bones about it.


I think Bush will lose some Military votes, But you have to remember, most of the 9.3 Military don't get benifiets anyway. So that argument is out the window.

I am glad you think Clark is a good candidate. Can I count on your support for Clark after Labor Day when he announces?


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J4Clark

[ButterflyBlood]

5. It depends

I'm between Kerry and Dean now. If he enters I'll consider how he stacks up against the other candidates.

[VoteClark]

10. He is the two combined in a way

He has more executive experience than Dean, and more military experince than Kerry. Pretty much the same on the issues. It comes down the person I think.


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J4Clark

[liberalnurse]

14. I'm telling everyone "Clark sucks".

I really, really liked him until I kept seeing these awful posts wherein all other candidates were trashed, especially Dean and Kucinich. I hate Clark almost as much as *bush.

Really, this was no way to promate your candidate.

[VoteClark]

17. Please do that

And don't forget to add that he took 4 bullets for you too. Or, yeah, and he eats puppies.


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J4Clark

[liberalnurse]

19. So what...

He's not Lancelot.

[VoteClark]

20. Tell that to people too, see how they react

Say, "So what if he took 4 bullets for you" to as many people as you can. I greatly appreciate that!


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J4Clark

[liberalnurse]

22. Taking a bullet is not a pre-requisite to garner

respect for potiential politicians nor does that validate eligiability. Like I said, so what......Shit happens.

I'm telling people Clark sucks......you convienced me.....Clark is another Lieberman.

[VoteClark]

23. Good thing for you huh?

Considering that Dean dodged the draft. If dodging the draft is a requirement then Dean has that qualification down huh?


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J4Clark

[peaceandjustice]

45. Dean didn't dodge the draft

He was determined BY THE MILITARY to be ineligible. I hope for your sake that if Clark runs he doesn't pull shit like that on the campaign trail, or we'll see how he can win with every American man who was classified 4-F or did avoid serving in an unlawful war making a resentment donation to Dean, Edwards Kerry, et al.

[dfong63]

31. took 4 bullets for whom?

And don't forget to add that he took 4 bullets for you too.

oh really. did Clark even know liberalnurse existed, and did he take 4 bullets specifically for him/her alone, and no one else? would he have dodged those 4 bullets if liberalnurse didn't exist? did he first ask liberalnurse whether s/he wanted him to take any bullets "for" her? would those 4 bullets have hit liberalnurse if not for Clark?

of course not.

Clark did not "take 4 bullets" for liberalnurse in any meaningful sense of the word.

he took those 4 bullets in pursuit of his career in the military, in a misguided war that did nothing to make the US more secure.

[liberalnurse]

33. You are sensational dfong63 !!!!

And you are so right, he did it for his career! I never met him. I didn't need him....

[Cocoa]

4. something tells me that VoteClark has made up his mind

I don't know what it is, just a hunch I guess. :-)

[VoteClark]

8. I am sure he has

Which means that he is either waiting for the timing to be right, or enjoys stringing people along. I don't think he would be cruel.

[liberalnurse]

13. Execellent insight Butterfly......

He ain't running......I'm really sick of the vote for clark propoganda as if he's the second comming of Christ rant.....

Who let the dogs out anyways?

[MercutioATC]

36. Question: where are you getting your info on Clark?

Before you cite the links you've cited before, I'd like to observe that they all take the same approach, that being that they make a ststement (made by a third party) and attempt to support it by listing a Clark quote (that may have been made years ago). These "position" pieces are anything but. They're vague, and don't have any statements by Clark detailing exactly how he'd solve problems.

Where can somebody find info on Clark that isn't filtered through a third party perspective?

[VoteClark]

38. You can purchase his Book

Waging Modern War. Wesley Clark is not running until Labor Day. So obviously he has not made an offical web site yet. But all information, even on Dean's site, is filtered through a team of people. So you will never get that information. But, you can go the Draft Wesley Clark site and get word for word quots on what he has said when other reporters have asked him questions.

He is Pro-Choice
He is for local control of gun laws
He is for a balanced budget

He is similar to Kerry, Dean, and Kucinich on the issues.

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J4Clark

[MercutioATC]

39. What I'm looking for :

is a site with quotes from Clark where he offers specifics on measures he intends to take as President. All I seem to see are position statements which are great, but don't tell me HOW he intends to accomplish his goals.

[buff2]

2. Ann Richards said on Larry King.......

She didn't think Clark was running cause if he was he would have entered the race by now. She thinks it's too late... :(

[VoteClark]

6. Not True

It is still more then a year till the election! It is about 5 months till the first primary. On Labour Day, Clark said he will announce his decision. He also sent out an order to crank it up a few days ago. Now why would Clark tell us to talk more about him and he is going to tell us on Labour Day, then say, never mind, when he has a good chance of winning? If Clark was not going to enter, he would not be leading us on to spend millions of dollars on him, and dropping the word "Labour Day", about hundred time.

Doesn't make any sense. Especially since Gore and Biden and Hillary are not out of the race for sure.


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J4Clark

[ButterflyBlood]

7. Biden is

Gore almost certainly is and only right wingnuts are convinced Hillary isn't

[VoteClark]

9. No, Gore is Not, Hillary is not, and Biden has already announced he isn't

Hillary has to high of Negitives. Gore would be the most smashed man in the country if he ran and lost, he working on a project, Biden has already announced he is not, Read: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20030811/ts_nm/politics_biden_dcBiden is gone.

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J4Clark

[ButterflyBlood]

11. you misunderstood

you said "Especially since Gore and Biden and Hillary are not out of the race for sure"

so I did mean that all of those are definately out.

[VoteClark]

12. Oh, OK, sorry about that, glad we agree!

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15. You forgot...

What a good job he did at Waco.

[VoteClark]

16. He wasn't there he was in Colorado

Barbara Richardson took some tanks from his base in Colorado at a base he was at. That is the extent of it.


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J4Clark

[sfecap]

18. OK, anything you say...but I think you are wrong.

Anyway he sure took those Davidians out right quick, didn't he?

Probably get him some Texas support.

But then...maybe not. Killing Americans, women and children?

...gee, I don't know.

[VoteClark]

21. Good for you!

Too bad even if Clark was in Waco, even though he wasn't, they would have died anyway, because Bush and Dean dumped Nuclear waste on them.


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J4Clark

[liberalnurse]

24. Oh no....Clark was there.....

He executed the attack on Koresh, with the FBI. It was mentioned with Tim McVey court records.

[VoteClark]

29. You use Tim Mcvey as a source?

Pretty desperate aren't you?


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J4Clark

[sfecap]

25. So...Clark WAS in Waco?

Which is it?

Did he kill Americans?

Speaking of radioactivity and toxic substances...what's up with him using cluster bombs and depleted uranium on civilians in Kosovo?

Was that OK?

[VoteClark]

27. It works better then water balloons and flowers

he didn't use them on civilians, he used them on enemy troops.

Was dropping Nuclear Bombs on two major cities ripping the skin of children and killing 50,000 civilians OK in WWII?

Was dropping Napalm on civilians in Vietnam OK?

Would have prefered Molosevic continue to do ethinic slaughtering of Serbians?

Is concentration camps OK with you?

Dean supported the Bosnian War, don't you?

You like concentration camps and the slaughtering of people on the basis of race?

You favor murderers like Molosevic over Clinton?

You favor the deaths of US troops over the KLA?

You favor doing nothing while millions die and are buried in mass graves?

And no, Clark was in Colorado at the time of Waco.


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J4Clark

[sfecap]

30. So...you seem to be saying...

That cluster bombs that kill and maim civilians (and children) and depleted uranium that poison civilians and troops are OK? (According to you: "It works better than water balloons and flowers.") Does that also reflect Gen. Clark's thoughts? Do you think he'll address the cluster bomb issue in his campaign?

Did Clark use Napalm in VietNam? (I understand that he did.) Was napalm also better then "balloons and flowers"?

Where exactly was he in Colorado when the Davidians were being killed? (Hey...weren't they burned up, too?) Does Gen. Clark have a thing for fire?

You don't seem to ever answer questions, just respond with more questions...seems to me you don't have the ability to defend your candidates position. You just want to tell us how good he is. These questions are gonna have to be dealt with sooner or later, right?

Some people think Gen Clark is a war criminal. Is that an accurate characterization?

[dfong63]

34. spoken like every war criminal

he didn't use them on civilians, he used them on enemy troops.

cluster bombs and depleted uranium don't know civilians from combatants. they kill both, and continue killing long after the war ends.

[VoteClark]

35. Well, when you base your information on Counterpunch

It doesn't matter what is said, it is false information. Come back with a creditable source of information.

Until then, I am saying not that not one innocent civilian was killed. :)


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J4Clark

[MercutioATC]

37. Waco's in Texas. When did Dean dump nuclear waste there?

...a legitimate question, I think...

[VoteClark]

41. Indeed, it is.

Vermont didn't want to invest the money and land to store nuclear waste from the Vermont Yankee. They spend all this money on building leaking storage containers. These containers were deemed unsafe. So Dean joined the Texas-Maine compact, which became the Texas-Maine-Vermont Compact. Texas agreed to take the waste from Vermont and store it in Texas.

The area where they put it was in poor Hispanic communities. See, Texas cuts corners so it makes money on the waste. It is cheaper to ship the waste from Vermont and store it in Texas then it is to simply store it in Vermont.

The Vermont Government saves money, and Texas makes money, the Hispanic Community gets nothing for it, except health risks from the storage.

Some people try to claim that Dean didn't have a choice, when in fact the did. The people in Vermont wanted the waste shipped out. So Dean took the cheaper, less safe, and reaped the political gains of keeping Vermont clean, and at the expense of the Hispanic community.

People claim he didn't have a choice because the US government has to approve the Texas-Maine-Compact. Which they do, but it also requires the approval of the Governors of Texas, then Bush, Governor of Vermont, then Dean, and the Governor of Maine.

Which Dean did sign, and approve.

Yucca Mt came later, that was to move all Nuclear waste to one place.

The real question is why they don't recycle and use the waste. In 1952 the US Legislature passed a law to bury all waste, why?
Well because the waste has Uranium, which if communists got a hold of could develop nuclear weapons. Nobody changed this law. Meanwhile, France has made a great deal of advancement in the area of recycling most of the waste they produce from their 60 Nuclear power plants.

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J4Clark

[MercutioATC]

44. My reply is in GD at "Sierra Blanca Redux"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=166402

[liberalnurse]

32. Here is a link to Clark at Waco.....

Ho Ho Ho.......Clark is a bully.


www.counterpunch.org/waco


Told ya so......... :bounce:

[VoteClark]

43. Counter Punch, a reliable source of information.

I you agree, I have Beach front property to sell you in Arizona


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J4clark

[George_Bonanza]

26. I like Clark

He was a former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. But I'm not too sure on his policies. He has an agreeable face and would be a big threat to Republican dominance in national security.

[VoteClark]

28. And I like Kerry

Outside of Clark, he is one that can best beat Bush. He is an honorable man that served his country and understands what war is about.

You will find Clark pretty much in line with Gephardt, Kerry, and Dean on the issues.


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J4Clark

[CaptainScum]

40. hi

hi

[GOPBasher]

42. Hell yeah.

I'm so excited about Clark getting in the race. If he does, I think KKKarl Rove will shit his pants.