Clark's FEC filing to run for pres lists party as unknown.

[Demobrat]

I really, really don't want to think that he was willing to run with either party. But this doesn't say independent party, it says party unknown. I'm sure somebody will explain this.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?P40002792

Presented by the Federal Election Commission
CLARK, WESLEY GENERAL ID: P40002792
Office Sought:   President
Election Year:   2004
State:   Presidential Candidate
District:   02
Party:   UNK (Unknown)

[LuminousX]

1. Oh, well, see

in Arkansas, see, well, party doesn't mean anything and since Clark is a product of Arkansas, well, see, uhmmm, he didn't know any better.

Please, the man is a total merceary willing to run with whatever outfit was going to give him the best soapbox.

[cid]

2. If he wins, after he is sworn in, can he legally change to republican?

The whole Wes Clark thing and not giving his party affiliation has always struck me as strange..and how can he run as a democrat if he isnt registered democrat? Something wierd about the whole thing..just my humble opinion..:)

[LuminousX]

6. I don't think he can change, per se

and there really isn't a need to. I don't believe he is a stealth republican sent is as a stop gap measure, but his 'conviction' for the party leaves something to be desired, especially when we have at least two committed Democrats (Kerry and Kucinich) who have served the party and the cause of progressives for countless years. Shouldn't we support those who have supported the party first before we consider a complete outsider who hasn't paid his dues?

[burr]

9. I don't believe Clark is a stealth Republican either.

But if he was a coup d''e-tat, why bother to switch parties or fret about politics? A four-star President would just suspend habeas corpus and impose martial law.

[Demobrat]

3. This isn't about his voter registration in Arkansas,

which I frankly saw as probably a meaningless oversight. This is his filing to run for president. According to this, he knew he was going to run before he knew which party he would be running for.

[JaneQPublic]

13. Wes Clark: The "Kelly Girl" of Presidential Candidates (n/t)

[KaraokeKarlton]

20. That's not true

You don't HAVE to list your party affiliation in Arkansas, but there is a place where you can list it. In fact, if you see the actual voter registration it's on line 6 with the word "optional". It's not that you can't name your party, you just don't have to name it.

[burr]

4. Bill Clinton was registered to vote in Arkansas...

did his initial FEC filing list his party as "unknown"?

[w13rd0]

5. I'm sure that is a question...

...that could be answered...regarding Clinton...

[w4rma]

7. Bill Clinton's FEC filing

CLINTON, WILLIAM JEFFERSON ID: P20000642
INCUMBENT

Office Sought: President
Election Year: 1996
State: Presidential Candidate
Party: DEM (Democratic Party)

PRINCIPAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE:
CLINTON/GORE '96 GENERAL COMMITTEE ID: C00321414
http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?P20000642

Here's an interesting one:
CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM ID: P00003392

Office Sought: President
Election Year: 2004
State: Presidential Candidate
District: 03
Party: DEM (Democratic Party)
http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?P00003392

[acerbic]

8. Whoa!

CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM ID: P00003392

Office Sought: President
Election Year: 2004

:wtf:

Somebody please post that at freepland... :-)

[Tinoire]

31. Check this out re Hillary 2004 ....

EDITORIAL DESK | September 22, 2003, Monday
Clintons Anoint Clark

By WILLIAM SAFIRE (NYT) 676 words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 17 , Column 5
ABSTRACT - William Safire Op-Ed column says Gen Wesley K Clark was encouraged and helped to declare his candidacy for Democratic presidential nomination by former Pres Bill Clinton and Sen Hillary Rodham Clinton; says Clintons want control of Democratic Party machinery, which is being threatened by sudden emergence of Howard Dean and his antiestablishment troops, and control of Democratic ideological position, making sure it remains left of center; says Clark is Clintons' stalking horse, useful in stopping Dean and diluting support for other Democratic presidential candidates; says if Pres Bush stumbles and becomes vulnerable, Clintons might be planning to get Clark to step aside and accept second place on ticket as Hillary announces her willingness to accept draft (M)
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60B16F9355E0C718EDDA00894DB404482

[JI7]

10. i think ralph nader did the same thing

he was/is not a member of the green party, but ran as a candidate for the green party.

[LuminousX]

11. What is the Clark Spin on this?

Any Clark supporters willing to play apologist for Clark regarding this?

I don't necessarily believe this is damning, just annoying. Why can't he just be a normal Democrat.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. Spin=

[incapsulated]

14. I don't play that game

"Any Clark supporters willing to play apologist for Clark regarding this?"

It's getting annoying and I want it addressed, pronto.

Unlike a lot of folks here, I'm not a "jockstrap supporter" ie; hold up a guys balls no matter how smelly it gets. You know who you are.

[Cleve Steamer]

15. Huh?

What's the evidence that Clark had ANYTHING to do with this data?

As we've discussed numerous times today, Hillary had NOTHING to do with her entry. If a random supporter can generate a filing for Hillary, I presume the same could be done for Clark.

Sheesh.

[incapsulated]

16. I missed that

"As we've discussed numerous times today, Hillary had NOTHING to do with her entry."

If that's true then it's a nonissue, unless it was one of Clark's people. When does he have to register?

[w4rma]

17. I missed that, too (and still miss it)

I just now found Sen. Clinton's filing when I was searching for Bill Clinton's filing.

In other words, no, Hilary's filing hasn't been discussed numerous times today, that I'm aware of.

[Cleve Steamer]

19. Here's a link to one of the Hillary threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=463253

This non-story was "all the rage" earlier today, yet the same debunked Hillary "info" keeps getting posted.

From the linked thread, regarding the Hillary entry:

The cause of the apparently misleading info: Arcana buried in dusty FEC regulations, which make little sense at the best of times, and are near-inpenetrable here.

It turns out that devout Hillary fan Tom McMullen kicked off what amounted to a draft-Hillary movement in January when he formed a committee called "People for American Leadership."

As soon as that happened, it triggered a clause in the labyrinthine Code of Federal Regulations, and McMullen registered with the Feds by filling out FEC Form 1.

Bottom line: these FEC filings need not originate from the candidates themselves. In the absence of further evidence, I'm not assuming that Clark or anyone on his staff had anything to do with this.

[w4rma]

23. Ahh, I didn't know about the Hillary thread. (n/t)

[unfrigginreal]

24. According to a NY Post story yesterday, he still had not filed...

The Federal Election Commission also said yesterday it still hasn't received a statement of Clark's candidacy, although the rules say a candidate must file a declaration within 15 days of spending or raising $5,000.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/7063.htm

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So, does that mean that this filing was made today? And if so, why no Party Affiliation.

I'm starting to wonder if this guy plans to make an Independent run if he doesn't get the nomination.

[burr]

29. Not encouraging...this is the part that worries me most.

<snip>
"This has been a whirlwind two weeks. There are a lot of
things we have to do, and that's one of them," Clark
spokesman Mark Fabiani told the mag. 

The Federal Election Commission also said yesterday it still
hasn't received a statement of Clark's candidacy, although the
rules say a candidate must file a declaration within 15 days
of spending or raising $5,000. 

Clark announced his candidacy Sept. 17 - exactly 15 days ago -
and his aides say they've already raised more than $2 million.

<snip>

[Demobrat]

30. I wish he'd had the guts to run as an independent

to start with, if that's what he is. That I would have really admired. As it is the thought that he could be pres just gives me a sinking feeling.

[Tinoire]

32. That's been bothering me lately too

as if he's here to split up the vote and destabilize the support base of certain candidates. The know full well all this fanfare isn't going to convince anyone... At which point he'll possibly run as an independent upsetting the entire thing and doubling the chances or the MIC remaining in power.

One DUer summed it up well:

they will go after him with insider information. Can we believe for a minute that Rove won't bring out the information about Clarks calls to him and all the information they have in the meticulously kept dossiers they have on all high-ranking military officers and lobbyists? Clark is their insurance. They get him the Democratic nomination and then they sabotage him. In the off chance that he actually wins, he's one of them anyway. One of them with less ties to the religious right which is going to abandon Bush to some extent anyway.

[Toucano]

36. Dates

It says it was filed on 10/2/03 which is the fifteenth day. The NY Post article is from 10/2/03, so they were reporting that the FEC said yesterday (10/1/03) that the filing hadn't happended yet. A little premature for the Post?

It also says DEM now, but it doesn't indicate it is ammended. Perhaps someone corrected a typo?

[acerbic]

18. Is that really possible?

As we've discussed numerous times today, Hillary had NOTHING to do with her entry. If a random supporter can generate a filing for Hillary, I presume the same could be done for Clark.

So what keeps a random opponent from filing on behalf of somebody and setting the party affiliation to e.g. Nazi Party of USA? Does not compute...

[Cleve Steamer]

21. Maybe we could use this to our advantage!

"Bush files as National Socialist candidate" would make for a great headline, no?

:evilgrin:

[JI7]

22. his supporters would have a party

that would just bring out his supporters to celebrate and give him more money. hahhaha.

[Toucano]

37. Filings are designated

U= Unauthorized by Candidate.
A= Authorized by candidate.

[Toucano]

33. Especially since it was a draft movement.

It's even more likely that it was done by someone unaffiliated with the Clark campaign.

Let the quest for the smoking gun proceed.

[Kahuna]

25. Where did you get this crap? It's not from the FEC website?

How do I know you didn't concoct it? That website url you presented is meaningless.

[acerbic]

26. Cthulhu knows why, but sdrdc.com is the site fec.gov links to

...for searching their records, so that's no conspiracy.

[Toucano]

34. SDR Technologies

Provides data services for a whole host of government entities.

I believe they were purchased by NIC (National Information Consortium) in 2000.

It is confusing, but it is definately official.

[unfrigginreal]

27. It absolutely is from the FEC Website...

I just went there and did a search to find it.

[w4rma]

28. Linked to from the FEC.gov website.

…

• Image / Query System
  • Imaging System
  • Electronic Filings
  • Query System

…
http://www.fec.gov/sitemap.html

…
Search the Report Image System
…
http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/info.html

Then, type: <last name>, <first name>

[bicentennial_baby]

35. Not anymore

Office Sought: President
Election Year: 2004
State: Presidential Candidate
District: 02
Party: DEM (Democratic Party)


http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?P40002792

[serryjw]

38. THIS IS NOT REAL!

It is a mirror site. Have you asked yourself why it has no logo for the FEC,or a date.....or why it is NOT.GOV??! There is one for Hillary just like this one...It's all Bu$hit!If you start at the FEC website you can not do a search of filings.If it makes you feel any better Clark is FINALLY registered in AR as a dem as of friday 10/3!:dem:

[bicentennial_baby]

39. Yo, calm down

It's real, and if you look at my post above, you'll see that it's changed. I got my info throught the FEC website as well. Clark's was listed as "Unknown" for about 24 hours, during the same day that he became officially registered. They probably knew that if it said "DEM" before he was a confirmed Dem, people would start howling, again.