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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:17 PM Original message |
Does anyone have a problem with this statement by Dean re HMO lawsuits? |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Can't sign in, so I can't see how old the comment is |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I didn't like Gore all that much, but didn't have a choice after primary. |
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DemDogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 11:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
102. It is from 2000 |
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gttim (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Early arbitration is best. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Arbirtation panels don't have to obey rules of evidence, and are often... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. neither are lawsuits |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Holy shit. Of course they're binding. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. and lawsuits work the same way |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Read Four Trials. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. And no binding precedents isn't the ONLY reason arbitration is BS. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. that is just plain false |
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curse10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Um. Just read those cases in school |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. hear that dsc? "that's just plain false" |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Sorry I was wrong |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. That's a pretty big mistake. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I apologized |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. A tangent from this discussion about Dean's covert conservativism, |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Juries decide FACT. They can never ingore the law. If they do, you |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. more on juries: |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Juries ignore law all the time |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. You seriously prefer arbitration to courts of law? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. For cases like this |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Not true. Parallel decisions are... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Furthermore, I wonder how often time is the problem in a case like this. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You are kidding right? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Clearly there should be some expedited process for getting a decision |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. arbitration can work |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. An expedited procedrue makes sense. Trading consitutional rights for |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. juries are generall not put in a postition where they can ignore the law. |
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mbali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 09:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. Jury nullification |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 09:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yes and no |
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mbali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 10:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. No - just yes . . . |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 12:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. Sorry you are right |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. Nope |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Juries are never given the option of ignoring "law". The can decide that |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. They are told the law through |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. Wrong |
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DemDogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 10:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
101. Didn't win 'em all |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-03 01:06 AM Response to Reply #101 |
108. Ford did win the criminal case though |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-03 01:21 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Criminal liability and product liability are two completely different |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. Clearly Dean is against the people and for the H.M.O.s |
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LuminousX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. Oh, it is crystal clear! |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 09:39 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Really, it is. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
85. You have got to be kidding me... |
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DemDogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 11:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
103. He's one of the bad guys on this issue |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. Stunning and yet somehow also not surprising. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. Dean is absolutey right. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. But what about the trial lawyers? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. If it takes 30% out of the pocket of a trial lawyer, it's taking 70% out |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. I'd rather have to pay for the lawyer for arbitration |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. What is incompatible about not giving up your constitutional rights and |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. To summarize: that's a totally false dichotomy. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Having to wait is the inherent problem with the HMO. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 10:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. You shouldn't have been denied |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 10:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Excellent post. Who can deny the logic of this? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 11:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I REALLY want my country back |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 11:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I am :) |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 11:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Your parents raised you right |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 01:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. awww sandnsea! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. Give up more rights |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. Here's the policy fleshed out- |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-03 08:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Edwards says that you need sanctions against lawyers |
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Lady President (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Excellent point |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Exactly what is frivolous? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Edwards is talking about a three-strikes and you lose your license kind |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Great |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. So you think the solution is arbitration? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Solution? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. I'm not sure |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. The judge decides, I think |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Not really |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. How 'bout arbitration for frivolous lawyering, and courts for med neg? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. We basically have that already |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:18 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. I must be confused |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You make a motion for sumary judgment which the judge |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. No, you're not confused |
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diamondsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-03 12:51 AM Response to Reply #82 |
106. The McDonald's coffee victim |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-03 12:56 AM Response to Reply #82 |
107. Not only that, but McDonalds got dozens of complaints about being scalded |
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Lady President (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 10:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
99. Lecturing the wrong person |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 03:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Thanks |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 07:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. HMOs that you can't sue in a court of law isn't health care. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Doctors are businessmen |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 02:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Some, or most... but not all. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Most.. |
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Lady President (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
55. Very, very disturbing |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 01:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. To reiterate a point I made above, when you have parties |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
65. Here's another solution: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Why not, your doctor decides what you need in consultation with you. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. What about regular people?? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
68. Ok, several points |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 04:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Exactly |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. So what's this dichotomy Dean uses, "I don't like lawsuits I like arb."? |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Well |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Well, there's the problem with Dean. Are we judging gov dean or candidate |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:16 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. No |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:22 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I bet dean wouldn't put this sentiment on his campaign website. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 08:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. I aim to help! |
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ebw (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
74. Re: Does anyone have a problem with this statement by Dean re HMO lawsuits |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. That was an eye opener. I completely forgot about the real politik angle. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. an excellent post |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. I'm sorry? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. In a real politik way |
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ebw (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Re: I'm sorry? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:01 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. The trial lawyers interersts tend to align with patients interests. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
84. Where have you been? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 06:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I know that it exists. I just didn't know "Democratic" pres. candidates... |
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DemDogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
100. Doesn't matter how old it is - Dean is on the Repug side of this |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-03 11:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Well said. Can't believe it took 100 posts before someone |
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ebw (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-27-03 12:37 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Re: Well said. Can't believe it took 100 posts before someone |
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