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jpak
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Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 AM Original message |
New Low Cost Solar Panels Ready for Mass Production (CO) |
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InvisibleTouch
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Thu Sep-13-07 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sounds good! |
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HereSince1628
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Thu Sep-13-07 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm ready. |
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AlecBGreen
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Thu Sep-13-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. wow |
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losthills
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Thu Sep-13-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Americans will always be out there in front. |
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AlecBGreen
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Thu Sep-13-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. IIRC |
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FREEWILL56
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Sat Sep-15-07 05:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
34. America's the leader is news to me. |
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AlecBGreen
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Thu Sep-13-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. lol |
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losthills
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Thu Sep-13-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. And there are cars on the road getting 100 miles per gallon |
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hunter
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Thu Sep-13-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. Cadmium is extremely toxic and has a half life of forever. |
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phantom power
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Thu Sep-13-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Real environmentalists know that CdTe toxicity doesn't count if it's non-nuclear. |
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NMDemDist2
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Fri Sep-14-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. each panel has less CAd than a battery according to the website |
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phantom power
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Fri Sep-14-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. stability is a good property. However, the compound CdTe is itself toxic: |
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Kolesar
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Thu Sep-13-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. What do you mean? |
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phantom power
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Thu Sep-13-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Cadmium is a toxic metal, as is CdTe, which is what these panels are made of. |
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Kolesar
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Fri Sep-14-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Ok, this could create stream pollution akin to how gold mining waste ... |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sat Sep-15-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. It's the waste stream that worries me |
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Kolesar
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Mon Sep-17-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Acknowledged...eom |
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Dead_Parrot
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Thu Sep-13-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I think there were some chinese spills that made it here |
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NMDemDist2
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Fri Sep-14-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. see my post #16 n/t |
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jpak
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Fri Sep-14-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Reality check.... |
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FREEWILL56
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Sat Sep-15-07 04:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Yes it is toxic, but it's not radioactive. |
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phantom power
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Sat Sep-15-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Is it better to die from heavy metals than radiation? |
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FREEWILL56
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Mon Sep-17-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. Curious afterthought. |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sat Sep-15-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Nobody ever died from kidney failure... |
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jpak
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Sun Sep-16-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Name one person that's been killed by a CdTe panel |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sun Sep-16-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. There's several thousand for each coal plant they haven't shut down |
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jpak
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Sun Sep-16-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Ummm...they haven't started production yet. |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sun Sep-16-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. When they do... |
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Javaman
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Tue Sep-18-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. I'm working on m y luna panels as we speak!!! |
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FREEWILL56
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Mon Sep-17-07 07:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. I am not disputing all of that, but |
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One_Life_To_Give
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Thu Sep-13-07 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. But what will they sell them for? $4/w, $3.5/w? |
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tinrobot
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Fri Sep-14-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Why not charge $2.50/w and dominate the market. |
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NMDemDist2
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Fri Sep-14-07 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
15. website link to the company |
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NNadir
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Fri Sep-14-07 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. Again? |
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losthills
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Sat Sep-15-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Amory Lovins is cool... |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sat Sep-15-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. NickB was right... |
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losthills
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Sat Sep-15-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. How're you comin'... |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sat Sep-15-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. No so good |
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losthills
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Sat Sep-15-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Pparrot's plan to rule the world... |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sat Sep-15-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Let's see... |
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NNadir
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Sat Sep-15-07 02:03 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Amory Lovins is a gas shill and an apologist for the Walmart car culture. |
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losthills
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Sat Sep-15-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Gas shil? Not even true. |
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diane in sf
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Sat Sep-15-07 02:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Yes, they've been building them in the Chicago suburbs since the 80's. |
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diane in sf
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Sat Sep-15-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. So NN, when are you giving your next lecture at MIT? Oh sorry, that's Amory Lovins who gets |
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NNadir
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Sat Sep-15-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I'm not in line for an MIT talk. I would love to spend ten minutes with this fraud |
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diane in sf
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Sat Sep-15-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. A 1999 article on Amory Lovin's very accurate energy use forecasts from the 70s: |
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NNadir
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Sat Sep-15-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I have the full text of Lovins 1976 fantasy article in front of me right now. |
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jpak
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Sat Sep-15-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. The real fantasy was early '70's nuclear industry predictions of 1000 US nuclear reactors by 2000 |
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phantom power
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Sat Sep-15-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. You're right. What we got was 1000 coal plants. Lucky us. |
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jpak
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Sun Sep-16-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. If we had followed Lovin's "soft path" policies rather than the GOP's "hard path" |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sun Sep-16-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. The GOP wrote the Clinton/Gore energy policy? |
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jpak
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Sun Sep-16-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Yes, my pommy friend. We in the States refer to this period as "The Gingrich Impeachment Congress" |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sun Sep-16-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. That's odd... |
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jpak
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Sun Sep-16-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Ummm - in our system of gov't, Congress - not the President - appropriates money |
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Dead_Parrot
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Sun Sep-16-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I see... |
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NNadir
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Sun Sep-16-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Well, even if we talk in magical percent talk, nuclear produces 11,600% as much energy |
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jpak
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Sun Sep-16-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Reality check - there is no anti-nuclear industry - and Amory Lovins is not a "gas shill" |
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hunter
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Mon Sep-17-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. There are lots of people who have made careers out of their anti-nuclear activism. |
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NNadir
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Mon Sep-17-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. Reality. Gerhard Schroeder is paid 300,000 euros a year by Gazprom. |
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Kolesar
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Tue Sep-18-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. So, in your opinion do Long Islanders have no right to question a development in their communities? |
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hunter
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Mon Sep-17-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. Lovins is a marketing wonk. |
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jpak
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Sat Sep-15-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Hooray for the RMI - unlike the shills/assholes at the Nuclear Energy Institute... |
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hunter
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Mon Sep-17-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. Lead Acid batteries and NiCad batteries are not nice. |
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jpak
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Mon Sep-17-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. and nuclear power will eliminate ""Abundance by Design", consumerism and increased population? |
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