Steorn free energy Orbo - snake oil or real deal?

[bik0]

Interesting stuff - Steorn's final pre-launch demonstration of its Orbo technology...

Part 1 http://goo.gl/kCZQ
Part 2 http://goo.gl/nGEF

[phantom power]

1. snake oil

[ret5hd]

2. A perpetual motion machine!!! Why didn't I think of that!!!

[hatrack]

3. Why are you posting this shit?

Please.

[bik0]

6. 4 replies within 7 minutes of posting a 20 minute video - all saying BS

Obviously nobody watched. I'm a skeptic too but at least I watched the videos.

[ret5hd]

8. I didn't have to watch past the shot of their comp screen saying more energy generated than consumed

[phantom power]

9. I watched until I started hearing the words "magnets" and "electric motors"

That was all I needed to hear.

[GliderGuider]

10. Ever occur to you we might have already seen it?

I first heard of Steorn's little scheme over a year ago.

[bik0]

14. I guarantee you didn't see this video a year ago. So - no, it didn't occur to me.

[GliderGuider]

15. I know about Steorn. I also know about thermodynamics.

:thumbsdown:

[bik0]

17. Great! Can I email you in advance next time before I post something?

I don't want to be redundant. It's really hard to figure out what everybody already knows before I post it.

[GliderGuider]

18. Absolutely. I'd be delighted if you did.

It could help weed out stories like this that won't get a positive reception.

[bik0]

19. Is your email [e-mail]?

So you know all about Steorn, thermodynamics and you know what everybody here is interested in. Why don't you just apply to be a mod so you can delete all the threads that DU'ers won't be interested in?

[GliderGuider]

20. No need to get your knickers in a twist. I was just trying to be helpful.

If you'd rather simply proceed as you have been, that's fine with me too.

On edit: In case you hadn't noticed, this a really tough room.

[bik0]

21. In your first post your tone was condescending...

I was just taking it and running with it. I'm cool with you now.

Yeah - I've noticed... the entire DU is a tough crowd.

[GliderGuider]

22. Yes, it was. That's a bad habit of mine, sorry.

I see below that you know this approach has been debunked by mainstream science. If Steorn truly has found a way to harness ZPE I can't imagine they'd be publicizing it like this. That would be a physics breakthrough much bigger than splitting the atom (or even fusing it). I suspect they count on people (aka investors, or "sheep") getting carried away by the new age romanticism of QM and the contrarian allure of "suppressed science".

[bik0]

23. They really don't have an explanation for the effect.

I guess that adds to the allure as well. If they were to claim ZPE then the scientific world would be even more skeptical - if that's possible. Either these guys have humongous cajones or they're really on to something.

[Dead_Parrot]

12. So if I posted a 3-hour creationist debate, you'd watch the whole thing?

That's way too good to pass up.
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What d'ya think of this, bik?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cffk0zQ33k

[bik0]

16. No I'm not going to watch it... therefor I have no opinion on the video.

If people would watch the Steorn video I think they would be intrigued by the demo. Steorn is being very open about the device - inviting hands-on evaluation and allowing engineers to use their own measuring equipment to verify their claims. I don't necessarily believe their claims but I do have an open mind and am intrigued by their demo. If it's a scam I have never seen such invited, open scrutiny as to what they're presenting.

I know enough about quantum mechanics to know that there is some very weird and paradoxical phenomena that defies explanation i.e. dark energy, wave function collapse, entanglement etc. The Steorn believers propose that this is some form of Zero Point Energy http://goo.gl/ckb3 .

I know the scientific community has debunked their claims but it is interesting nonetheless if only from the perspective that it could be the most elaborately orchestrated hoax of all time.

[Statistical]

26. No it is not even a very good hoax.

[hatrack]

13. If it sounds too good to be true, it is - economically or thermodynamically

nt

[GliderGuider]

4. The investors are gonna get snake-bit.

:eyes:

[Warpy]

5. Sounds like perpetual motion machines fueled by

Star Trek technobabble. I understand what he's claiming to do, but I fail to see how it can be done in the absence of supercooling or other strategies to compensate for friction and heat, strategies that would call for a lot more gear than that pile of stuff stuck together with thin wire and alligator clips.

Yes, I'm a cynic.

On edit: no, it's not perpetual motion since they do admit it needs an energy input to run. However, to claim to be able to compensate for friction by manipulating an electromagnetic field sounds bogus.

[bik0]

7. magnetic bearings.

[Warpy]

11. That takes a hell of a lot more gear than he has

plus a great deal more power input than you'd get out. It's an ineffective strategy for overcoming friction in an ordinary induction motor.

[OnlinePoker]

24. Following Steorn since their first announcements

The jury that the company itself chose to study the Orbo process came back last year with a unanimous conclusion that there was nothing to it. Why the company keeps trying to sell this process and why anybody would buy it is beyond me.

[Statistical]

25. Utter and complete crap. For a summary check wikipedia.