McGreevy and Israeli sexpionage

[DenverDem]

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"The allegations by Cipel of "sexual harassment" by Governor McGreevey is only a ruse to cover up the real purpose of the operation. The allegation by Cipel that he was sexually assaulted by the governor "twenty times" is preposterous and only the dumbest Americans will believe it. In fact, Golan Cipel allowed the governor to buy him an apartment a mere few blocks from the condominium where McGreevey lived with his so called wife."

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<http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2847>

[Jim Sagle]

1. Here's another snip.

Another recent sexpionage operation was that involving the now ousted Congressman from California Gary Condit and the Jewish sexpionage agent Chandra Levy.

Antisemitic filth.

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[Dogmudgeon]

4. Not quite

Read some of the stuff on the web page of the original story -- http://www.aztlan.net/israeli_sexpionage.htm

There's challenging Israel, and there's Jew-hating. I'd say that the editor of Aztlan on-line has made himself comfortable in that second group.

--bkl

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[Dogmudgeon]

7. Oooh, that musta been good!

But Rules Is Rules.

--bkl

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[geek tragedy]

10. No, it's that you shouldn't use flaming bigots as sources.

Is that too difficult?

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13. Changing the subject--why am I not surprised?

You quoted an article by a known Jew-hater.

Stop bringing this Nazi filth to our site.

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[geek tragedy]

17. WRONG!

People who hate Jews, like this creep, are people I consider Jew haters.

Anyone who reads my posts knows that I myself think that the US is too supportive of Israel, and that the Likudniks are a giant barrier to peace.

I hate Ariel Sharon. I hate the settlements.

You are the one equating people who hate Jews and challenging Israel.

I know the difference. If you did, you'd know that this guy hates Jews (and gays).

You should really investigate your sources before you defend them.

[Dogmudgeon]

19. Slight Correction

I've been critical of Likud and the rest of the Israeli right wing for about, oh, 25 years.

Outspoken, even; and half my family is Jewish, so they're a bit sensitive about such things.

I don't hate Jewish people. I don't hate Israel. I do hate tyrants, and I have never hesitated to say so when I thought Likud and its lackeys were hiding their dirty antics behind the Magen David.

As for Aztlan.net and La Voz de Aztlan (The Voice of Aztlan), it's the hobby-horse of Ernesto Cienfuegos, a radical Mexican-American who has bought into the Zionist Conspiracy myth, hook-line-and-sinker. Even worse than most of his compatriots from Rense.com, he's allowed his paranoia to fester into a hot, infected wound. (The Rense.com Zionophobes at least try to avoid blatent bigotry.)

The Israeli government, the Likud party, and the Mossad/Shin Bet have certainly done some unsavory things. This has nothing to do with Monica Lewinsky and Chandra Levy being "Jewesses", as Cienfuegos sneered. And the Judaism of Mata Hari (Margaretha Zelle) has been flogged as a reason for distrust of the Jewish community since the end of WWI, in spite of the fact that it's been long established that she was far less culpable than the French government made her out to be.

Yes, Americans are probably more sensitive to bigotry against Jewish people than any other group around. It's understandable, since we have held ourselves up as the great protector of human rights, but utterly failed the European Jewry during WWII, in spite of ample knowlege about large-scale genocide being perpetrated by the Nazis.

It's easy, though, to avoid anti-Semitism-by-association. Simply learn to separate issues of Israeli statecraft and espionage from the culture and religion that is Judaism. By ignoring that simple distinction, Sr. Cienfuegos has gotten caught up in the oldest D.I.Y. mind-f*ck in the book, made a fool of himself and his paper, and has disgraced the movement of the people he otherwise claims to serve.

--bkl

[Jim Sagle]

6. Chandra Levy was smeared as an Israeli agent - with no evidence.

That's antisemitism.

Next!

[geek tragedy]

11. Don't forget about Monica JEWinsky.

"Antizionism" in its pure, unhidden form.

[Jim Sagle]

14. I know this is a sex thread, but aren't they milking it?

;)

[Dogmudgeon]

3. Consider the source

You thought Rense.com was bad? Wait until you catch a whiff of Aztlan.net!

Aztlan.net -- Bringing Shame to La Raza One Anti-Semitic Screed At A Time.

http://www.aztlan.net/israeli_sexpionage.htm

--bkl

[geek tragedy]

9. Wow, a citation to a Jew-hating bigot?

Where do you find these people?

And, before you ask your standard "But but but why is he antisemitic--for challenging the Zionists?"

Read aztlan.net--this guy's webpage.

Ernest Cienfuegos is Spanish for Adolf Hitler.

Note that the article also accused Monica Lewinsky of being an agent of Israel.

Because, you know, she's a Jew. And all of those pesky Jews are really Zionist agents, according to this author.

Do you agree with him that Lewinsky was a Jewish temptress and a traitor?

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[geek tragedy]

18. Got any evidence for that.

Besides her Jewish name, that is.

My guess is that's all the proof you needed.

[Lithos]

20. Locking

There again has been no real proof given of Israeli involvement. The motive behind this seems as ominous as the Swift Vets debacle.

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