When did the lie that Obama was going to take guns away start and who started it?

[ColbertWatcher]

Anyone remember?

[Trajan]

1. I was thinking it started in the Gungeon ....

The second home for highroad'ers ....

[MrPerson]

35. I started it.

[ColbertWatcher]

42. I think Dr. Colbert started it ...

[SteveM]

78. Obama started it. Years ago. In illinois. On Joyce Foundation Brd (nt)

[ColbertWatcher]

45. I'm not trying to debate gun control.

I'm asking for help researching who started the lie.

[NewMoonTherian]

69. We're not yet sure it's a lie.

He has expressed support for the AWB, and he's appointed several strong gun control activists to his administration.

[tucsonlib]

56. If It Didn't Start Here, It's Sure Being Kept Alive Here....

There are a small number (fewer than 5, I figure) of Gungeon dwellers who view any gun control legislation as proof positive that Obama aims to take our guns away. They can't be reasoned with, and they refuse to acknowledge how much damage they're wreaking with their convoluted arguments and false logic. They may call themselves "progressives", but their words paint them as fear-mongers and pawns of the extreme right.

Read this and weep:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=210243&mesg_id=210243

[mucifer]

2. some horrible mccain commercial during the campaign I think.

[ColbertWatcher]

16. Do you remember which one? Did it play nationally? Or just one state/region? n/t

[mucifer]

20. no I forgot.

[ColbertWatcher]

24. Thank you anyway. I'm sure someone here remembers. n/t

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

3. it has been said about every

D since Carter

[ColbertWatcher]

5. I'm trying to find a link. n/t

[laconicsax]

4. It started when he ran for office with a (D) next to his name.

[ColbertWatcher]

6. I'm trying to find a link. n/t

[gratuitous]

7. Cui bono?

Answer that, and you have your answer, dear Cicero.

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Good point.

But, from the looks of things (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5394216&mesg_id=5394216 ) I don't know who's benefitting.

[rucky]

26. The NRA can continue to justify its existence.

If there were no boogeyman coming to take yer guns away, what would its membership numbers be like?

[ColbertWatcher]

44. Good point and post #27 shows a link to one of their commercials. n/t

[gratuitous]

Certainly not the average citizen

But purveyors of certain products have been making so many sales they can't keep up with the frenzied demand.

[ColbertWatcher]

34. Frenzied is the word alright. n/t

[billyoc]

8. When he registered as a Democrat, I guess.

The right wing hasn't caught on to the fact that the Democratic party cut the gun control millstone from around its neck a LONG time ago.

[ColbertWatcher]

I was hoping someone had a link.

So we could find who's responsible for those deaths.

[pipoman]

65. Utter nonsense

if there was even a bit of truth to your statement why does the party platform still contain gun control language? Why does the Presidents website still advocate gun control? The gun control 'millstone' is still there, alive and well.

[Regret My New Name]

9. I was wondering where that came from too...

[Political Tiger]

11. Probably started as one of those chain emails

that the right mass circulates among themselves, and since they live in terror that someone is going to take their precious guns away, along with their need to believe that any Democrat elected is going gather up all the guns in the country and give them to felons, well, the rumor(s) spread like wildfire.

[Redneck Socialist]

12. Hi record makes it easy for the right to spin it that way.

Face it, his record from a gun rights perspective isn't good. His appointments of Holder, Clinton and his choice of Biden as his running mate, not to mention his continued support of the AWB all give gunnies little reason to trust that there won't be a push for new gun legislation.

[ColbertWatcher]

13. Nonetheless, he never said he was going to take guns, someone else did.

I'm wondering who it was and if someone has a link.

[Bluerthanblue]

58. here's one link from 2008- but I also remember

a very strong campaign message from the NRA claiming that Obama was going to infringe upon gun ownership.
My oldest son was trying to de-fuse the propaganda with his buddies at work, who were hearing a raft of crap from NRA mailings etc.
I'll see if I can find anything- and ask my son if he has any of the stuff I printed out for him.

It was pretty detailed- and it addressed the propaganda the NRA was putting out point by point.
Maybe the Obama election site still has something in the archives??

Anyhow, here is the link I mentioned initially-

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/NRA_Obama_most_antigun_candidate_ever_will_ban_guns.html

[A HERETIC I AM]

14. They said the same thing about Clinton back when he was running against Bush 41

Same old crap.

[ColbertWatcher]

17. True, but when did this particular lie begin. I know at least one DUer has a link. n/t

[DonP]

70. Except Clinton did

Or don't you count the failed Assault Weapons Ban as taking away people's guns?

It was a great PR move and all it cost us was Congress and the White House in 2000.

But that's just what Clinton himself said in his book and what does he know?

Gun bans and gun control legislation has no impact on crime or these mass murders. It costs us seats in Congress and votes for things that actually do help people.

[MineralMan]

15. For some folks, everyone's planning to take their firearms

away. Party doesn't matter. Nothing matters. The government's going to come to their houses and the "jack-booted thugs" are going to break down the door to get them.

Therefore, it becomes very important to get as many of them as you can, so you'll be able to fight off said JBTs....come the Revolution.

There it is. Nothing for it.

[ColbertWatcher]

19. But this is a partciular lie that I'm asking about.

And I know someone here has a link.

[DemReadingDU]

18. at a gun store this weekend

the store clerk said business is good.

any particular reason?

because Obama is going to take away your guns.

well, we're conservatives worst nightmare - liberals carrying guns!

the store clerk couldn't respond to that.

[ColbertWatcher]

23. I remember when I heard it the first time.

It makes you look at people with a mixture of pity and fear and shock at how monumentally proudly stupid some people can be.

[Sebastian Doyle]

29. Well, here's the obvious question someone should ask these lunatics

If Obama is going to "take away all their guns", then what is the point of buying more guns, only to have them taken away too?

And were such a thing as gun confiscation a reality, wouldn't the confiscators be likely to notice who had purchased the most guns recently, and knock on their doors first?

And when the "jack booted thugs" do come knocking at your door, do you think they're going to be unarmed themselves??


(Not that I believe this fucking bullshit hysteria, but just use their own talking points to show how stupid they are)

[DemReadingDU]

43. Makes no sense to me either

I think the guns are to shoot the people trying to take away their guns.

:crazy:

[csziggy]

21. It was well before the election

When was http://hasobamatakenawayourgunsyet.com/ started?

But the Bobby Rush gun control bill gave the right wing gun nuts "proof" that it was true.

We should send those gun nuts to this blog - http://tgfblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/letter-to-obama/
This guy is sane with good reasons why the gun nuts shouldn't be worried. And he is a gun owner!

[ColbertWatcher]

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[Idealism]

22. Wait, he isn't coming to take them away?!

When was this decision made?

[ThomWV]

25. When Eric Holder - his AG - publicly supported anti gun laws slated for DC even after

the Supreme Court ruled that DC's horrible anti gun laws were unconstitutional. Still the Obama administration thwarts the will of the people and the Constitution itself on this matter and it is noticed.

[mucifer]

27. I found it!

piece of crap is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzr_nlTi7-8

[DemReadingDU]

32. thanks for the link

[ColbertWatcher]

33. Damn! GunBanObama.com!?

Uploaded September 22, 2008.

Does this have something to do with ???

That was in April, 2008!

[RamboLiberal]

30. Didn't help that his campaign and now the White House website

did mention they want to reinstitute the AWB.

[ColbertWatcher]

36. Do you know when it started? n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

31. It started with the party platform, then Obama's campaign website, then Whitehouse.gov,

then Obama's Attorney General. So I guess the DNC started it and then Obama kept spreading it.

David

[ColbertWatcher]

39. I don't think so.

Obama never said he was going to take people's guns away.

I'm asking for help finding who started the lie.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

52. “Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ Obama said.

September 5, 2008 Wall Street Journal

"35. Do you support legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of
a. handguns?

While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety. In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law.

b. assault weapons?

Yes.

c. ammunition for handguns and assault weapons?

I would support banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons and limiting the sale of ammunition for handguns.


2003 Illinois Independent Voters of Illinois Independent Precinct Organization Questionnaire

[pipoman]

66. Please provide a link to someone

saying O is going to confiscate guns?

[Bluebear]

37. Are we allowed to talk about this in GD again?

re:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5392804&mesg_id=5392804

[ColbertWatcher]

38. I'm asking specifically for help finding when it started.

Not to argue whether I agree or disagree.

I'm asking for help in researching.

[CANDO]

40. Don't know, but Alex Jones has a whole list....

of proof Obama is going to get your guns on his site. Truth and reality doesn't matter to these mind-freaks.

[ColbertWatcher]

41. I searched snopes for "Obama take guns" and look what came up ...

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=obama+take+guns&x=16&y=8&sp-a=00062d45-sp00000000&sp-advanced=1&sp-p=all&sp-w-control=1&sp-w=alike&sp-date-range=-1&sp-x=any&sp-c=100&sp-m=1&sp-s=0

[scarletwoman]

48. Highly recommend you go to FactCheck.org . See my post below. (nt)

[scarletwoman]

46. It sounds like it originated with the NRA during the election campaign. Someone posted a great piece

from the NYT earlier today that talks about this in some detail:

Pitchforks and Pistols - NYT Op-Ed on right-wing CRAZIES and GUNS

I'd post the direct link to the NYT, but for some reason I'm having trouble opening it.

The NYT piece has lots of internal links throughout -- I especially recommend you click on the FactCheck.org that deals directly with the NRA ads that started this crap.

Go read!

sw

[ColbertWatcher]

49. Thank you.

I knew someone on DU would find something!

[scarletwoman]

51. You're welcome. I read that post and the editorial earlier today, and I knew it would answer

your question. Problem was, I hadn't posted on that thread, couldn't remember which forum it was in, or the subject line, or the name of the editorial writer -- so it took me awhile to find it. :P

And now I'm gonna get the hell out of the Gungeon! :scared:

sw

[JI7]

47. it's been said about every Democrat for years

[janx]

50. YEP--the NRA has been doing this for years.

My daughter used to go to the range occasionally with her dad. The NRA mailed her child-specific literature telling her that the president (then Clinton) was out to take her gun away. It was really despicable. Just think about it--kids who do target practice with .22s or shoot clay birds with shotguns? "The president wants to take your gun away!"

She's now 21 and has little interest in shooting, but about a week ago she got a piece of literature from the NRA and I just tossed it. We've moved between states, so I don't know how the NRA knew that...my ex?

Now I wish I had saved the latest mailer. I didn't even read it, because I hate junk mail.

[muntrv]

53. Considering that Obama controls the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines,

why would he need to take Ted Nugent's guns?

[gorfle]

54. I have never heard it, myself.

Lots of people like to say, "Obama isn't going to take away your guns!" in response to people who are afraid of his second amendment position.

But the thing is, I've never heard anyone say they were afraid Obama was going to take away guns.

What he has said on his web site both before and after the election is that he supports an assault weapon ban.

Bans are equivalent to confiscations in many people's books, including my own.

If you ban the future sale of AR15 type rifles, this means I will never be able to own one. The effect is the same as confiscation. It's just slower.

[jmg257]

55. 1996. He did. He let a staffer fill out a questionaire on Illinois handgun ban.

"...Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”


"ban the...possession of handguns" seems to mean taking those guns from people who have them.

[benEzra]

57. From the repubs at the Brady Campaign, who have been saying

that the Obama Administration will ban so-called "assault weapons," among other things. "Assault weapon" being Bradyite scare-speak for the most popular non-automatic civilian rifles in the United States.

http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/guns-2008election.pdf
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/politics/obama-transition-memo.pdf

Biden's history of supporting bans on AR-15's and other civilian rifles with modern styling certainly doesn't help. But I don't think the administration is going to go down that road, thankfully.

[Tim01]

59. Not a lie. Here is his website.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Agenda, crime and law enforcement,

"They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent."

If the government said alcohol could no longer be produced, and insisted it wasn't a ban on alcohol, you wouldn't believe that would you?

Reinstating the assault weapons ban is taking guns. It isn't going door to door. It is making them no longer available until there are no more left.


If they reinstate the AWB and the gun violence doesn't stop, what then? They will try to find more ways to remove the guns from civilians.
Won't matter though. If democrats go after guns, republicans will give them back to the people in return for the gift of the white house, the senate, and the house of representatives.

[janx]

61. Most of these misunderstandings have to do with problems of definition.

What constitutes an assault weapon? Democrats aren't "going after guns"--this is an NRA assertion that hopes to keep its membership up through a fear tactic.

[Tim01]

62. It is an anti-2nd amendment assertion that a semi-auto rifle is an assault weapon. Lie.

[janx]

63. Agreed, except that I don't think it's an anti-2nd amendment assertion;

I think it's just ignorance and posturing.

[Tim01]

67. The Brady campaign has said in their documents

that they started confusing the issue on purpose to get people on their side. It was planned by them.

[jmg257]

64. By any body's definition an assault weapon is 1st and foremost a 'gun".

Apparently being a semi-auto with a detachable mag and 2 scary features make it something special, but those in favor of banning them, no matter what party they are in, are indeed "going after guns". And very popular ones at that.

[Bluerthanblue]

60. link to sept 08 info on factcheck -

NRA Targets Obama
September 22, 2008
Updated: September 29, 2008
It falsely claims in mailers and TV ads that Obama plans to ban handguns, hunting ammo and use of a gun for home defense.
Summary
A National Rifle Association advertising campaign distorts Obama's position on gun control beyond recognition.

The NRA is circulating printed material and running TV ads making unsubstantiated claims that Obama plans to ban use of firearms for home defense, ban possession and manufacture of handguns, close 90 percent of gun shops and ban hunting ammunition.

Much of what the NRA passes off as Obama's "10 Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment" is actually contrary to what he has said throughout his campaign: that he "respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms" and "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."

much more at:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html

[jody]

68. Better, "When did the LIE THAT OBAMA WAS NOT GOING TO TAKE GUNS AWAY START and who started it?" n/t

[tucsonlib]

75. Spoken Like A True Pawn Of The Right-Wing Fear-Mongers n/t

[jody]

76. Fact: Obama supports renewing AWB. Any statement that Obama does not support taking guns is a lie.

You can make ad hominem attacks but you can't cover up a lie.

[aikoaiko]

71. When candidate Obama said he wanted to reauthorize the AWB --- weren't you paying attention at all.

Reauthorizing the AWB would in effect take away access to some newly manufactured firearms that were previously acquirable.

That's what mean people mean when they say he is going to take away our guns. Its a short-hand -- a colloquialism.

And its not a lie.


eta: Its really disingenuous to call it a lie.

[ColbertWatcher]

72. I've been paying attention.

The NRA lie is that Obama is coming to take everyone's guns.

That is a clear and absolute statement: everyone's guns (not limited to assault rifles).

Obama never said that making it a lie.

[X_Digger]

73. Interesting how your statement changed from OP to here..

Kinda reminds me of the 'So, when did you stop beating your wife?' question..

You're starting from a false premise, then changing it to fit the responses. Nice.

[pipoman]

74. Where can I find the NRA making this statement?

The NRA lie is that Obama is coming to take everyone's guns.

I am not an NRA member or apologist, I simply have never seen this accusation made by the NRA.

[jmg257]

79. Do you have this NRA quote? Or is that a lie?

[SteveM]

77. Uh, Obama started the "lie" by calling for bans on semi-auto guns ...

This was when he was in the Illinois legislature and on the Joyce Foundation Board. He continues to support a re-newed and beefed-up so-called "assault weapons ban."