Where Should The Line Be Drawn?

[tucsonlib]

I think everyone here would agree that forbidding violent criminals or the dangerously insane from purchasing or possessing firearms is a sensible exception to our RKBA.

But what about this guy?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6092842

Now, I wouldn't want the 2A rescinded because of some individual's political views, but this Yahoo thinks that enacting Health Care Reform, fer chrissake, will constitute "a declaration of war on we the people of the United States of America." He's calling for armed rebellion, essentially. (Against whom, exactly, he fails to say. And since the majority of Americans favor guaranteed health care for all........)

Personally, I would like to see this guy arrested and his guns confiscated.
But I've got a feeling I just might be in the minority here......

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. It is starting to look as a conspiracy

Yep, Randall Terry said the same... and they fit the definition.

That said, first there is this thing of charges, and proving before a jury... beyond a reasonable doubt.

After that... absolutely... but ONLY after the courts take a role in this... and he is straddling the line...

[X_Digger]

15. Agreed..

.. once he steps over the line (incitement to riot, conspiracy, etc) then charges can be brought. Short of crossing that line? I wouldn't cross the street to piss on him if he were on fire, but I wouldn't like to see him in jail, either.

[sharesunited]

2. Guns are the one thing I have noticed unite the right and the left.

Gun love transcends political differences.

Convenient killing power is like sharing a beer.

[imdjh]

8. Don't be silly, the barrel is much too narrow.

[sharesunited]

9. Don't be so sure. After all, it compensates for perceived inadequacies in certain departments.

[imdjh]

10. Oh, I suppose you could use it that way as well. :)

[eqfan592]

17. Wow, a penis joke? Really sharesunited?

At this point you've managed to stay fairly eloquent, even if absurd and without logic. But I never expected you to stoop that low. But of course, when the other side smacks you around with logic and reason so much, it only makes sense that you would resort to this childish behavior. I've seen it from the freepers all the time.

[pipoman]

11. Sounds like you are standing united with

Michael Bloomburg, Paul Helmke, Sarah Brady, and several other rethugs.

[iverglas]

19. hmm

You may have a faulty premise in your subject line. ;)

First, you assume that there are gun militants on the left ...

... first, you assume a can opener ...


(It's an economics joke. I won't insult anyone who knows any economics by explaining it.)

[geckosfeet]

3. Just put him in jail for advocating and fomenting violence.

[rwheeler31]

4. Hmmmm who decides who is insane? Guns are products

we can regulate what we produce.

[baldguy]

5. But there's a well-organized RW political machine

spending $100's of millions each year to PREVENT regulation.

[pipoman]

12. Once again with your living in the past

How do you explain, if this is a RW issue, that with a Dem POTUS, Congress, and Senate gun control is a dead issue, no chance what so ever for ANY new gun control legislation. Keep telling yourself your expired position on this issue is the majority Dem position, and click, click, click your heels...

[Tim01]

16. I wish we could just get rid of the anti-gun language in the democratic platform

and get on with doing something useful.
Most republicans are pro gun. Probably more than half of the independents are pro-gun. A big chunk of self identified dems are pro gun and that number is growing.
So the anti- gun people are a small number of democrats. But a big enough number to be a wedge issue, and a big enough number to turn everybody else against them. Plain old bad tactics in a loosing battle.

[tucsonlib]

28. First, Let's Get Rid Of The Idiotic Terms "Pro-Gun" And "Anti-Gun"

One more time - No sane person can be "pro" or "anti" an inanimate object. It's gibberish to declare that you are one way or the other.

My uncle is emphatically pro-plywood. My cousin is rabidly anti-plywood.

They share adjoining padded cells.....

[Tim01]

29. You've complained. Now how about suggesting a solution? nt

[rwheeler31]

6. Stay away from me. I own this property no gus allowed. You are

now a criminal.

[FreakinDJ]

7. Who says he is not a violent criminal

he certainly is borderline for wealth of felonies with his statements.

So in this case too the law already has provisions for delusional creeps like RimJob

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

13. How do you know it's a guy? What is his name? Have you reported him to the FBI?

[iverglas]

20. dog a'mighty, Dave

Did you CLICK on the LINK???

Beggaring belief, once again.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

21. How would that change my questions?

[iverglas]

22. well, if you don't click

I guess you'll never know.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

23. Clicked on it, I still don't know what sex the person who uses the name Jim Robinson is?

I still don't know if the OP knows who "Jim Robinson" really is and if he has reported them to the FBI. Unless you have that information, maybe you should try following your own advice.

[iverglas]

24. Sigh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic

Any time you need background info on racist right-wing gun militants, you let me know.

[iverglas]

25. and speaking of background info ...

I'd hate for anyone to miss this bit of the article at Wiki:

"Whenever a poll is posted on Free Republic.com, everybody goes and votes the right way, and there's nothing wrong with that," says Marinelle Thompson, Freeper and founder of gun rights group Second Amendment Sisters.

There's just never anything new under the sun, is there?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

26. If the OP had linked to that then I would have had only one question.

[gorfle]

14. How about a tax on tea for silliness?

One can never be sure what will be the spark that ignites rebellion. Is Health Care Reform a silly idea for a revolution? How about a Tax on Tea?! From what I recall hearing on NPR recently, the entire taxation outrage was over a tax of about 2%!

I would imagine rebellions work on some kind of bell curve, where initially only the fruitcakes are up in arms (ala Timothy McVeigh), and eventually, if the dissatisfaction grows, more and more mainstream people take up the cause. If nobody takes up the cause, you are left with the fringe who are then known as fruitcakes. If everyone takes up the cause and wins, the fruitcakes are then known as "visionaries".

Back to the subject at hand. Generally, you can't deny Constitutional rights based on what people say or on suspicion of what they might do - Bush's (and now President Obama's) policies on indefinite detention not withstanding, nor should you.

[PavePusher]

18. Sooo...

You want to imprison someone because of his/her political views.

Very free society you envision there. I'll have none of it, thank you very little.

[tucsonlib]

27. First, Try READING The OP

I don't give a shit about his political views. But what he's doing is called "Inciting violence." He's threatening the violent overthrow of our country. That's called "treason". It's also proof-positive the guy's deranged.

Of, course, just because he's a traitor, an imminent danger to others and demonstrably insane shouldn't necessarily disqualify him from purchasing and owning all the firearms he desires. Should it?

Hence the title of the OP. Thanks for weighing in.

[PavePusher]

30. I did read it.

Apparently I'm not reading into his statement what you are reading into his statement.

With sentiments like yours, why do we even need to rail against the far right? Your conclusions are all the same anyway: "I don't like what he is saying, so put him in jail."

That's not the way it is supposed to work here, and I won't let it become the norm on my watch.