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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:45 AM Original message |
PARALLEL: If Fed law preempts AZ’s illegal alien law then the 2nd Amendment preempts state RKBA laws |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oooh, evil.. me like! n/t |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Souds like the law of unintended consequences has come into play. nt |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. rights are not laws |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. SCOTUS said RKBA is a pre-existing right and does not depend upon our Constitution for legitimacy. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That may be true but is not relevant to your thesis. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You said "3. rights are not laws" but our Constitution is the supreme law of the land as are rights |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
5. I can hear the screams of outrage now from the Cafeteria Constitutionalist Contingent... |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. Very Good Jody!! nt |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. So you think this would be the first case where Federal law preempts state laws? |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Judges have ruled that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Understand, that's why the OP cited McDonald. I pointed out the similarities in fed law preempting |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Yes --- very good jody! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. My logic is not twisted but perhaps you do not understand the parallel I pointed out. n/t |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Not preempt, just not their constitutional job |
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mvccd1000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 03:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Federal, period? |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Those are just laws |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 11:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. If the Feds abandon their delegated power... |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
14. You're completely wrong about how federal pre-emption works. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Why then is SCOTUS considering in the McDonald case whether the 2nd Amendment is incorporated in the |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You're still missing the distinction between incorporation and pre-emption. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Read the OP very carefully again. I did not use "preemption" as you try to twist my statement. |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. You made a pro-RKBA argument by analogy to immigration law.... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Nice statement with which I disagree. The issue is still whether federal law trumps state law |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I won't "recycle the same assertions" but I seek clarification on one point.... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Re 7th, in my state businesses include pre-dispute binding arbitration clauses in sales documents |
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