GUNS IN THE NEWS--January 28, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Shooting Near Elementary School Leaves Man Critical

"Police believe a man in a green Taurus fired shots at two men in a Jeep Cherokee on Schoolcraft Road and Ewald Circle near Courtis Elementary School on Detroit's west side.
The shooting happened around 3 p.m., just as students were being let out for the day, Local 4 reported.
Bullets struck both men inside the Jeep. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wdiv/1977521

[hrd2imagin]

2. Ok, it's tragic, but...

what's the point of saying over and over that it happened near an elementary school? Especially in the title of the article. A person who only reads the headline will think, "Oh, another school shooting, we should ban guns"

It's also worth noting that the man who was shot, was believed to have shot back. Meaning that this was something brewing. It wasn't a random act of violence. Or if it was random, the man was defending himself, and that is honorable.

Yeah, it's sad that something bad happened, it's even more sad that it happened NEAR an elementary school. But the author's intent is clearly to deceive casual headline reader that it's a school shooting in an ELEMENTARY school.

[RoeBear]

3. That's exactly what all anti-gunners want...

...to do. Mislead you with inaccurate headlines so that you will come over to their side.

[CO Liberal]

5. Pro-Gunners Mislead At Times As Well, RoeBear

Especially when they portray all of us pro-control folks as "gun grabbers".

[RoeBear]

6. I only portray gun grabbers...

...as gun grabbers.

BTW- Do you consider yourself a gun grabber?

[CO Liberal]

9. No, I Don't

But there are pro-gunners out there who portray ALL pro-control people as "gun grabbers".

[alwynsw]

14. You know my position, CO

That's a tactic I won't use.

Portraying all GC advocates as grabbers is as repugnant to me as being called a racist or Nazi for my RKBA position.

Both generalizations stink.

[RoeBear]

27. I consider a person to be a gun-grabber...

...if they say it's ok for a city to ban ownership of handguns by law abiding people. What is your take on that?

[CO Liberal]

29. About Handgun Bans

I am in favor of them, if that is what the elected officials in a municipality decide is inthe best interest of the community. People who choose to defend themselves can still use other types of weapons - just not handguns.

IMHO, it's only "gun grabbing" if it involves a dooor-to-door search where guns are confiscated. Since no one is advocating such a thing, I do NOT consider myself a gun grabber.

[RoeBear]

33. Gotcha...

...it's ok to toss out the 2nd amendment as long as you don't throw out the rest of the constitution.

[CO Liberal]

34. No One's Tossing Out Any Amendments, RoeBear

I believe the "well-regulated" part of the Second Amendment mandates gun control, including reasonable limits on the types of weapons allowed.

[Columbia]

45. It's a well-regulated militia, not a well-regulated right

[CO Liberal]

46. In Order to Have a Well-Regulated Militia.....

...you need to define who is eligible for membership, and what equipment they're allowed to have.

[Columbia]

51. Sure

Regardless of the militia, the right is still not meant to be regulated (see "shall not be infringed") as the only way to ensure an equiped militia is for the whole body of the citizenry to be well-armed (see Federalist 46). Anyway, I think we've gone over this issue ad nauseum so I won't get into it extensively now.

I'll give you the equipment part though since it is a Supreme Court ruling (see US v Miller & "ordinary military equipment).

[RoeBear]

37. Gun banner = Gun grabber

"People who choose to defend themselves can still use other types of weapons - just not handguns."

Until someone like you decides to ban the next type of gun.

[CO Liberal]

38. We're Gonna Have to Agree to Disagree Here, RoeBear

Nothing you say is gonna change my opinion, and vice versa.

[RoeBear]

50. Change your opinion?

Fat chance. Your opinion is that it's ok for a city to have a ban on handguns. That's fine, you're welcome to your misguided opinion.

But if you advocate gun bans you are BY DEFINITION a gun grabber.

What do you think the police in Wilmette did with the homeowners gun after he used it to defend his and his families life? They took it away from him.

[CO Liberal]

53. And Labeled it "Exhibit A"

Remember, he used it to SHOOT someone.

[RoeBear]

54. They don't take your guns away...

...for a righteous self defense shooting.

[CO Liberal]

57. That Will Be Up To The Court To Decide - n/t

[RoeBear]

65. The only thing he would be tried for..

...is the possession of the handgun. What part of 'righteous self defense' don't you get? And I'll guarantee you that he's not getting his gun back.

Now try this mental exercise.

Handguns are banned in Wilmette IL

Joe Homeowner has a handgun and calls the local police department and tells them he has it.

What do you think the police departments response will be?

A) "We're going to pretend you didn't call, just keep it"

B) "We'll be right over"

gun ban = gun grab

[MrBenchley]

84. For all the pissing and moaning

the Courts have ruled again and again and again that handgun bans are perfectly legal and constitutional.

[MrBenchley]

7. If it weren't for

denial, distortion and deception, there'd be no gun rights arguments at all...

[alwynsw]

13. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

[MrBenchley]

31. Worth noting

the "defensive use of guns" folder has already begun posting stories that were not....

Less than 24 hours open and already phony.

[beevul]

35. Care to elaborate on that bench?

"the "defensive use of guns" folder has already begun posting stories that were not...."


Care to be more specific?

[MrBenchley]

39. Happy to, beev...

It's hilarious to see you try to make your case that civilians need guns by showing cases of civilians shooting at cops (and getting themselves plugged in the bargain).

If it don't bother you that you're that desperate less than a day after you started the thread, far be it from me to do anything but point out the falsehood, laugh and move on.

Yeah, that's why people who are not cops need to have guns, so that they can shoot at cops who come to arrest them for the crimes they've committed. I could hardly make the case for gun control better, beev.

[beevul]

52. Are you saying...

that a police officer defending him/her self or others with a gun is somehow not a defensive gun use?

"It's hilarious to see you try to make your case that civilians need guns by showing cases of civilians shooting at cops (and getting themselves plugged in the bargain)."

Actually, whats hilarious is to see you arguing the contrary by characterizing the criminals I posted who were shooting at police as civilians instead of criminals. Verry telling.

"Yeah, that's why people who are not cops need to have guns, so that they can shoot at cops who come to arrest them for the crimes they've committed. I could hardly make the case for gun control better, beev"

Well, since the criminals who you so tellingly characterized as "people" would have those guns no matter what you, Josh Sugarman, Sara Brady, or any law says, law abiding ciitizens NEED to be able to defend themselves from them. Whether those law abiding citizens be civilian or not.

If you believe otherwise...nevermind. I don't expect you to understand.

[MrBenchley]

55. Go ahead and spin,, beev.....

I couldn't make a better case for gun control and the fundamental dishonesty of the "gun rights" position than pointing to your thread...

[slackmaster]

58. The only spin is coming from the gun-grabber camp

The thread is about defensive gun uses, not defensive gun uses by people who aren't cops.

[CO Liberal]

61. WRONG!!!!

This thread is about two assholes firing guns around an elementary school, where children were placed in harm's way by their actions.

[slackmaster]

69. Please go back and read the post I was replying to

MrBenchley was referring to the DGU thread started by beevul. By "your thread" he was referring to http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=35900&mesg_id=35900

[MrBenchley]

88. And it's worth noting

that the claim by the RKBA crowd is that it is somehow "inaccurate" to accurately point that out.

[hrd2imagin]

12. Agreed, guns are the tools of violence...

...but they're also the tools of protection and anti-violence.

Anyone see John Stossel's report on 20/20 Friday night? Check out the write up on ABC's website:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/myths_john_stossel_040123-1.html

Here's a quote:

The government wants to say things like the Brady Gun Control Law are making a difference, but they aren't. Some maximum security felons I spoke to in New Jersey scoffed at measures like the Brady law. They said they'll have no trouble getting guns if they want them.

A Justice Department study confirmed what the prisoners said. But get this: the felons say that the thing they fear the most is not the police, not time in prison, but, you, another American who might be armed.

So from the mouths of maximum security felons: THEY FEAR US!

ADDED: They also say that they can get guns no matter what laws are in place.

[alwynsw]

15. True words. All too true.

They can also get guns regardless of where they are. How else could one explain the several handguns discovered in the inmates cells and chapel my short tenure (a couple of years) as a corrections supervisor in a maximum security institution?

And most of us think prisons are secure.

[MrBenchley]

16. That would be the same John Stossel synonymous with fraud

in journalism....right wing suck-up John Stossel.

[MrBenchley]

4. 1 Dead, 1 Wounded In Tattoo Parlor Shooting

"One man was killed and another man injured in a shooting at a Modesto tattoo parlor.
Shots rang out about 8 p.m. Monday at Still Pushing Ink on Carver Road.
Investigators said two cars pulled into the parking lot of the business and shots were fired from both cars.
Those who work nearby said they're frightened by the incident. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_kcra/1977743

[hrd2imagin]

10. Fired from both cars?

So two cars pull into a parking lot, and they shoot at each other.

Either this is a modern day duel, or it's a drug deal gone bad. The problem is obviously not the gun, but the person holding the gun.

[MrBenchley]

18. Migfht be a defensive use of a gun!!

The RKBA crowd is collecting them for some peculiar reason....hurry and post it in that thread.

For that matter, I wonder how many of the shooters in these other stories are going to claim "self-defense" when they get nabbed. And as we see above from yet ANOTHER regurgitation of that right wing numbnutz Stossel's "special," there's no more believable or honest source, according to gun nuts, than criminals...especially ones that have been aprehended.

[pnb]

19. You act as if it doesn't happen

Do you deny that guns aren't used for defensive purposes?

And regarding your comment about criminals, you seem to think that criminals shouldn't be part of the process of finding out how criminals think...and in the same sentence actually call someone ELSE a numbnuts.

Please.

[MrBenchley]

21. Go ahead and post this one then

Go get 'em, tiger.

And it's no skin off my nose if you guys want to post dishonest right wing crap and pretend it's gospel...I find it hilarious, though, that the RKBA crowd never has any other sort of source...and always screams in rage whenever it's pointed out that dishonest right wing crap IS dishonest right wing crap.

"January 24, 2004
A good litmus test
If someone takes John Stossel seriously, they're probably not worth paying much attention to.
For some Stossel fact-checking, go here."

http://www.thismodernworld.com/

[pnb]

24. the term "yadda yadda yadda" comes to mind

Perhaps you could address what I actually said...

[MrBenchley]

30. Sorry, were you saying something?

Pretty much everything the RKBA crowd is yadda yadda yadda and not worth the hearing....

Like I said, you might as well call post that story in the "we love guns" folder....less than a day in operation and they're already reduced to this....

"DES MOINES, Iowa - Three men were shot — two fatally — in a barroom brawl early Saturday and two gunmen surrendered after a running gun battle with police investigating the violence.
Shortly after police were called to the scene at the Casa Vallarta restaurant, two men in a white pickup truck opened fire on an officer who tried to pull them over, Des Moines police Sgt. Jeff Aldrich said. The officer was not hurt.
Aldrich said investigators didn't know what sparked the bar fight or shooting. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040125/ap_on_re_us/restaurant_shooting_1

[beevul]

40. Next tell us...

why you left out the part where the officers DEFENDED THEMSELVES WITH GUNS.
From the article...

"Shortly after police were called to the scene at the Casa Vallarta restaurant, two men in a white pickup truck opened fire on an officer who tried to pull them over, Des Moines police Sgt. Jeff Aldrich said. The officer was not hurt."

snip

"The suspects then fired on police as they ran to a nearby apartment complex, but surrendered after officers shot and wounded them, Aldrich said. Their injuries were not life-threatening, he added."



Hand us another steaming pantload.

[MrBenchley]

42. Too too funny, beev...

Yeah, there's a good case for "gun rights"...civilians need guns so they can endanger cops.

<sarcasm>Yeah, those gun owners sure did a great job trying to defend themselves against getting arrested. Too bad they failed.

[CO Liberal]

43. Maybe They're Looking Upon The Cops as Tyrants.....

...and they're "fighting tyranny".

:eyes:

[MrBenchley]

44. Well, the cops WOULD take their liberty...

<snicker>

[MrBenchley]

47. By the way

...it took less than 24 hours for the "gun owners defending themselves" folder to turn into "gun owners trying to shoot cops." Helluva persuasive argument for gun control, far as I can see.

[CO Liberal]

48. So I Guess That Using That Line of "Reasoning"...

...David Koresh and Randy Weaver were both examples of "defensive uses", too???

[MrBenchley]

49. Yup...

And Tim McVeigh was just the next step-up to really serious armaments....

[FeebMaster]

60. Who did

Randy Weaver shoot?

[CO Liberal]

62. Whoever Was Outside His Cabin During the Standoff

n/t

[MrBenchley]

68. In fact

a Federal Agent was killed by the white supremacist...

[MrSandman]

79. Actually, I believe Randy Weaver killed no one.

The federal agent was killed by his son, IIRC, after the agents opened fire and killed his other son.

[MrBenchley]

80. Actually

other than to point out how much the RKBA crowd kisses his heinie I really don't give a crap....

I plan to fret about any raw deal the scumbag got about the time the Holy Koresh arises from the sepulchre and begins performing miracles...

[MrSandman]

85. Just like all gun control arguments...

based on lies and misrepresentations

[MrBenchley]

86. You and racist Randy go and have a good cry now

about how tragic it is his "true story" is being neglected here.

Even better, start a thread about how awful it is a white supremacist doesn't get the respect from "liberals" he "deserves."

[MrSandman]

87. Keep spinning

[MrBenchley]

89. I plan to keep going

You and Randy can have a good cry about that too. But I'm not the one trying to pretend a white supremacist humhole is anything but a white supremacist humhole...that would be YOU.

[MrSandman]

90. Keep spinning...

All I said is he didn't shoot anyone. If you can show otherwise, I will apologize. Yeah he is a white supremacist humhole, but does that justify killing his wife while holding an infant? Or are some animals more equal than others?

[MrBenchley]

91. Hitachi's Advanced Research Lab

has the most powerful electron microscope in the world...it's possible you could see how small my interest is in what a raw deal Randy got through it, but I doubt so.

Now you and Randy go have a good big cry about how cruel I am to the pope of the gun rights movement...

[MrSandman]

92. Hahahahahahahaha

I'll stick with the theory of the ACLU...everyone deserves the protections of due process.

[MrBenchley]

93. Really?

"We believe that the constitutional right to bear arms is primarily a collective one, intended mainly to protect the right of the states to maintain militias to assure their own freedom and security against the central government. In today's world, that idea is somewhat anachronistic and in any case would require weapons much more powerful than handguns or hunting rifles. The ACLU therefore believes that the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration. "

http://archive.aclu.org/library/aaguns.html

[MrSandman]

94. More spin

When did due process get included in the Second Amendment. I did not say I agreed with the ACLU on the Second Amendment, but on due process.

[MrBenchley]

64. Gee, the RKBA crowd has just the NICEST playmates, don't they?

[beevul]

56. Um...bench...

It was never the "gun owners defending themselves" thread.

It is called defensive gun use.

"folder to turn into "gun owners trying to shoot cops."Helluva persuasive argument for gun control, far as I can see."

Correction. That should read "criminals who got around the law by disobeying it and got a gun anyhow" trying to shoot cops. Its seem more like a persuasive argument that gun control doesn't work.

Now cry me a river that cops use guns defensively as do law abiding citizens.

[MrBenchley]

59. Gun owners shooting at cops

Helluva persuasive argument for gun control, far as I can see.

[CO Liberal]

63. Once Again.....

...some pro-gunners are unable to criticize people with guns in their hands, as if having a gun makes everything they do OK.

[MrBenchley]

66. It does seem that way....

What's hilarious is that it took less than 24 hours for the RKBA crowd to go from moaning about "poor Joe Homeowner" to trying to justify Ol' Joe firing at cops, because the cops shot back.

[RoeBear]

67. And that's why most gun-owners support...

...'three strikes you're out' and 'project exile'.

Nice attempt at a smearing gun owners.

[CO Liberal]

77. Re-Read My Post, RoeBear....

I said SOME pro-gunners - not ALL.

[RoeBear]

83. I did...did you read this yet?

Now try this mental exercise.

Handguns are banned in Wilmette IL

Joe Homeowner has a handgun and calls the local police department and tells them he has it.

What do you think the police departments response will be?

A) "We're going to pretend you didn't call, just keep it"

B) "We'll be right over"

gun ban = gun grab

[beevul]

76. And some...

anti-gunners are unable to differentiate between criminal and law abiding citizen where guns are concerned, unable to tell the difference between offender and defender-because it involves an evil gun, as if having a gun makes everything they do EVIL.

"criticize people with guns in their hands"

:eyes: Ok. I'll go into the GDU thread and comment "bad criminal" to the criminals using guns. I suppose I'll have to do that for the ones using beer and lead pipes, and the ones using knives too, in the interest of fairness of course.:eyes:

Some of us are against the criminal every time, gun or not, and FOR the law abiding police officer/citizen protecting him/her self/others everytime.

And some us of aparently are not when a gun is involved.

Thats rich, I post quite a few examples of someone defending themselves with a gun from a CRIMINAL with a gun, and the opposition levels the charge of not being able to "criticize people with guns in their hands".

I might ask before I level any heavy criticism, accusations of pantloads, or suggestions of rivercrying, who besides the criminal with the gun needs criticizing, CO, and why?

[beevul]

70. Police/civilians defending themselves and others with guns...

from criminals who will get guns/knives/beer/leadpipe no matter what happens(short of human extinction) Helluva accurate assesment of what I posted.


Good argument for banning guns.

NOT.

[MrBenchley]

73. Asswipes with guns shooting at cops...'twas ever thus

And the RKBA crowd is only sorry the asswipes don't have assault weapons so the police will be outgunned..

You can spin till you're blue in the face, beev.....but it took less than 24 hours for your thread to turn to horseshit.

[slackmaster]

74. Actually it's about cops and other people using guns defensively

And the RKBA crowd is only sorry the asswipes don't have assault weapons so the police will be outgunned..


According to your favorite pay-for-propaganda organization assault weapons are just as widely available today as they were when the federal "ban" (which is actually a moratorium on manufacture of weapons with certain cosmetic or ergonomic features) was enacted.

In 1994 Congress passed a law to ban certain models of semiautomatic assault weapons as well as high-capacity ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Immediately after the 1994 law was enacted, the gun industry moved quickly to make slight, cosmetic design changes in their "post-ban" guns to evade the law. Today, gunmakers openly boast of their ability to circumvent the assault weapons ban.

See http://www.vpc.org/press/0305officer.htm for full copyrighted article and other information.

[MrBenchley]

8. Three People Shot To Death (FL)

"Miami police are looking the killer or killers of three people found shot to death Tuesday night.
The three were killed in and around a green Mercedes SUV (pictured). Two of the victims, a man and a woman, were found dead inside the vehicle that was parked at 2300 S.W. 22nd Avenue. The third victim was found dead across the street. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wplg/1978084

[MrBenchley]

11. Man Shot In Home While On Phone (TX)

"Investigators said it happened just before 9 p.m. Tuesday night at the Colony Apartments in the 5100 block of Browncroft at Martin Luther King.
Police told News2Houston the person on the phone said the victim discovered someone in his apartment. A few seconds later that person said he heard several gunshots. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_kprc/1978120

[pnb]

20. Too bad they weren't his own gunshots

He most likely would have not been shot then.

[MrBenchley]

17. Unidentified Woman Found Fatally Shot (MI)

"A woman in her 30s was reportedly fatally shot outside a townhouse in a complex on Detroit's west side early Wednesday morning.
Police learned of the shooting in the 7700 block of Poe Street, in the Lexington Village complex, around 1:45 a.m., Local 4 learned. The victim reportedly died at the scene. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wdiv/1978118

[MrBenchley]

22. Rankin man faces life sentence for shooting (PA)

"A crack cocaine dealer from Rankin faces a sentence of life in prison after his conviction this week for the robbery and shooting of a Verona man during a botched drug robbery.
Joseph Howell Jr., 25, was one of two men charged in the July 13, 2002, slaying of Michael Balint, 23.
Howell testified that on the evening of the incident he and Donald Burnham, 24, of New Castle, went to Balint's Verona home to buy marijuana. After the transaction, Howell said that he used Balint's bathroom."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04028/266608.stm

[hrd2imagin]

26. Wow, this one is close to home...

Literally, Rankin is just 5 minutes from my house, just across the Rankin bridge from Homestead.

That place is always in the news, every night you can see the Rankin projects on the local news. The fact that somebody from Rankin shot someone is no shock to me. That's one of those places that you have to drive through to get places, and you make sure to lock your doors and not stop for red lights.

But did the gun make him do it, or was it another drug deal gone bad? Looks like we need to up the war on drugs.

[MrBenchley]

23. Local Teen Shot, Killed

"Investigators said it happened around 3 p.m. in the parking lot of the Ray Warren Community Center on Bragg Street. Police said the gunman hoped in a car and sped off.
The Dudley High School student died at a local hospital, according to officials. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wxii/1977615

[MrBenchley]

25. Accused Killer Strikes Plea Deal (NM)

"A man who police said killed a man in cold blood in a barbershop struck a plea bargain with prosecutors that could get him a lighter sentence than he would have if convicted on first-degree murder charges.
Frederico Munoz pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in the death of Ronald Contreras. Police said Munoz pulled a gun after an argument with Contreras April 26, 2002, and shot Contreras in the back as he walked away. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=375&ncid=375&e=2&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_koat/1978254

[MrBenchley]

28. Three Shot In Westside Convenience Store Robbery (FL)

"Homicide detectives and crime scene investigators were still gathering evidence Wednesday morning after a robbery and shooting a Westside convenience store Tuesday night.
Detectives said the employees were standing outside Safari Discount Beverage Store on 103rd Street about 10 p.m. when three men in ski masks approached them.
"They ordered them back into the store," Jacksonville Sheriff's Office spokesman Ken Jefferson said. "Once they demanded their wallets, they demanded they open the safe."
Since the employees cooperated with the robbers, police don't know why the victims were shot -- two in the face and one in the leg. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wjxt/1978265

[MrBenchley]

32. Argument Over Bicycle Leads To Shooting (FL)

"A disagreement over a bicycle Wednesday led to one man getting shot and a search for the gunman.
According to police, just before 6 p.m., 20-year-old Michael Bennett got into an argument with another man over a bicycle near Edgewood Park, in the 3000 block of West 12th Street.
The man then pulled out a gun and shot Bennett in the stomach. Bennett was taking to Shands-Jacksonville Medical Center. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_wjxt/1978416

[MrBenchley]

36. Teen-ager gets life for friends' slayings (TX)

"FORT WORTH - A 17-year-old Fort Worth youth was sentenced to life in prison Tuesday for fatally shooting two friends inside a parked car at Rockwood Park almost two years ago.
The jury of seven women and five men deliberated a little more than two hours before finding Erik Rueda Gonzalez guilty of capital murder in the Feb. 12, 2002, slayings of Christopher Perez, 16, and Mario Moreno Jr., 19.
Gonzalez was 15 at the time of the killings and was certified to stand trial as an adult. He showed no reaction as state District Judge James Wilson read the verdict and pronounced the sentence. He must serve at least 40 years before he is eligible for parole."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/7815182.htm

[MrBenchley]

41. Man gets 25 years after guilty plea in robbery, slaying (TX)

"FORT WORTH -- A 23-year-old man was sentenced to 25 years in prison Wednesday for robbing a west Fort Worth bar in 2001, then returning two weeks later to kill a bartender and shoot her friend.
Just before jury selection was to begin in his trial this week, Steven Mobley struck a deal with prosecutors and pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery, murder and attempted capital murder.
On Wednesday, state District Judge Scott Wisch accepted the plea agreement and sentenced Mobley to 25 years in prison on each charge, with the sentences to run concurrently.
Mobley accepted responsibility for robbing an employee at the Silver Dollar Saloon, then returning two weeks later and fatally shooting part-time bartender Alanna Athey and wounding her friend, David Sprague."

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/local/7816992.htm

[MrBenchley]

71. Police Investigate Teen's Shooting Death (TX)

"Police are trying to determine if two men were playing Russian roulette when a gun went off and killed one of them late Tuesday at a home on the Northeast Side.
he homeowners said they heard the sound of a book dropping and then someone yelling that the victim had shot himself.
The friend then ran from the home. Police found him later and recovered several weapons, including the one used in the shooting. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=391&ncid=391&e=3&u=/ibsys/20040128/lo_ksat/1979071

[MrBenchley]

72. 'Significant Arrest' Made In Students' Shooting Deaths

"Isiah Tamele Fugett , 22, of Louisville, faces two counts of murder and a tampering with evidence charge in relation to Monday's shootings of Robbie Robbins, 18, and Eric Ray, 19, WLKY NewsChannel 32's Allison Gardner reported Wednesday. The pair were lifelong friends who graduated from Trinity High School, and were freshmen at U of L.
Robbins and Ray were shot in a parking lot behind the Clarion Hotel at the intersection of East Jefferson and First streets.
Metro police spokesman Dwight Mitchell told reporters Wednesday at about 12:30 p.m. that the victims' families and friends aided in the investigation."

http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/news/2799692/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

75. Parents of Students Killed in Rocori Shooting Plan Memorial

"The parents of two boys killed in a shooting at Rocori High School want a memorial built on school grounds in honor of Seth Bartell and Aaron Rollins.
    The Rollins and Bartells proposed the project to the School Board this week.
    Kim Bartell, says the memorial would be a beautiful tribute to her 14-year-old son, Seth, and 17-year-old Aaron Rollins.
    The two were wounded in the September 24th shooting. Rollins died that day — Bartell died October tenth at St. Cloud Hospital. "

http://www.kare11.com/news/news-article.asp?NEWS_ID=58724

[MrBenchley]

78. Accidental shooting claims 11-year-old (AR)

"The fatal shooting occurred when Madeline's 15-year-old cousin was unloading a .270- caliber hunting rifle.
The rifle discharged and struck Madeline in the neck.
Webster County Sheriff Ron Worsham and Eugene Woods responded to the call, which came at approximately 4 p.m.
Madeline was pronounced dead at the scene and was not transported to an area hospital. Sheriff Worsham did not release the name of the 15-year-old cousin. "

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1815&dept_id=515271&newsid=10877880&PAG=461&rfi=9

[MrBenchley]

81. 19-year-old missing after kidnapping, shooting (CO)

"A man was beaten and shot and his brother was kidnapped Tuesday afternoon, Aurora police said, by five men who had come to their home looking to buy a used car."

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2610071,00.html

[MrBenchley]

82. Son took a bullet for his friends, father says (KS)

"Len Williams thinks his 27-year-old son -- fatally shot at a Wichita apartment complex last week -- died trying to protect friends.
Williams said witnesses told him that someone tried to push in the door of an apartment where his son, Jacob "Jake" Williams, was visiting friends around 3 a.m. Friday morning.
As Jake Williams struggled to keep the door closed, someone fired into the apartment from the outside, and a bullet severed one of the young man's main arteries, his father said.
"He was standing between his friends and these guys, and he gave his life for them," Len Williams said."

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/7805322.htm

[davidinalameda]

95. it's almost Thursday

do you know where your new news thread is?

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