Hate crime: Tosic, family victims of anti-semitism in Lower Lake

[Sequoia]

(I was just informed of this aritcle, but story is on-going)

By John Lindblom - Record-Bee staff

LOWER LAKE - Words that come to mind when viewing the 20 acres that Nebosja Tosic calls his "Canopy of Heaven" are pastoral and peaceful. Such words, however, belie the conditions that for the past year have existed in this region, which is located about 14 miles down Morgan Valley Road.

A group of landowners in the region have been pursuing an action that they may fancy as a range war like those from centuries past. More precisely, though, it has been a relentless campaign of anti-semitism directed against Tosic, a 55-year-old refugee of Serb and Jewish descent from Sarajevo, Bosnia.

Several of Tosic's neighbors want him out and have amply demonstrated that they are prepared to go to any extreme to achieve their objective.

"These people say I am a 'trouble-maker' and Jew and 'we don't like Jews,'" said Tosic. "They say, 'you are Russian, you are killer. How many people you kill? America is not for people like you.'"

The acts performed against Tosic may rise to the level of felonious - in short, hate crimes, which can be punishable with up to three years in prison.

Lake County District Attorney Gary Luck acknowledges that his office is taking the matter seriously.

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http://www.record-bee.com/Stories/0,1413,255%257E26901%257E1907158,00.html?search=filter

[alwynsw]

1. What? This intolerance in Kalifornistan?

It sounds as though Mr. Tosic needs to do one of two things: hire a security service if he can afford it until the perpetrators are charged, convicted, and incarcerated or get proper training and buy a firearm for self defense. Of course, he could cave in and move.

If he wants to stay, I vote for the firearm. Those convicted will have friends and family that may want to "get even".

We have a small sheriff's department where I live. They are slow on 911 calls. In the case of an issue such as this, I can guarantee this: they will do what it takes to guard the folks until a resolution is reached. I've seen it in action after a local drug bust that led to threats against the informer and his family.

[bleedingheart]

2. Actually a lot of nazi-like groups are located in California

as well as Michigan, Pennsylvania...etc

My cousin by marriage (thank god not blood related) married a neo-nazi/kkk member. First they lived in a compound in the Dakotas until the group they were staying with drained them of all their available cash...then they moved to N. California to another compound area...(they got money from my uncle to move)...
They have subsequently live off of government assistance and the charity of family members who actually give them money to keep them away from them... in fact her own brother bought them a car....

Meanwhile "Ed" continues to spew hate about jews, african americans..etc all from California...

[alwynsw]

3. It's a fact that there are a number of Nazi-like groups there

That was the point of my feigned surprise that this is happening in California.

I am in no way justifying or supporting such groups - abomination would be my best descriptive term for such groups - but have you ever noticed that as the state becomes more restrictive, resistance groups - both good and bad seem to pop up like cow shit in a pasture?

[MrSandman]

4. Causing the state to become more restrictive...

leading to more resistance groups...down the slope we go.

[alwynsw]

5. BINGO!

Give that Sandman a kewpie doll!

[bleedingheart]

8. I don't know if that is really true... Montana, N and S Dakota

and even Texas have their fair share of whackos in relation to the overall population and I don't think they have restrictive gun laws.

All I know is that there are a lot of whacky people in the world.

[MrSandman]

9. Restrictive State...

in the sense of a governing entity. The whackos that I have heard about, esp. in Montana and Dakotas are fearful of the Fed.gov.(Fed. gun laws, Fed. drug laws, etc.) Founders of these groups are adept at playing on fears to create action. An examination of history bears this out. What prompted the Colonies to revolt other than a perception of an exceedingly restrictive state?

[MrBenchley]

13. Hahahahaha...

The "fear of the Federal Government" those nutcases have is that the Federal Government is going to let the people they hate move into their neighborhood, go to the public schools, etc.

[MrBenchley]

15. Idaho is damn near synoynmous with them

And has a current Senator and had a former Representative who panders to hate groups...

"More threatening still are the activities of two Idaho Republicans, Helen Chenoweth, a freshman congresswoman, and Senator Larry Craig, whom Stern depicts as primary examples of the militia's influence in high places. "

Craig is also a director of the National Rifle Association, while Chenoweth.....

Well, here's a glimpse into what was going on with Chenoweth. Get your barf bag ready, it's a neoNazi site:

http://www.ety.com/HRP/pol/afrank.htm

There's a good reason she used to be called the "head of the Black Helicopter Caucus" in Congress.

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[MrSandman]

23. A comparison

Active U.S. Hate Groups in 2002

Idaho

9 Hate Groups Found
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=ID&m=1


Active U.S. Hate Groups in 2002

New Jersey

19 Hate Groups Found

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?S=NJ&m=1

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[MrSandman]

25. ROFL

[MrSandman]

29. wrong post replied

[MrBenchley]

28. Yup

There are folks peddling that dishonest "gun rights" crap in every state.

[MrSandman]

30. But I thought...

Idaho is damn near synoynmous with them

I was wrong.

[MrBenchley]

31. And it is...

New Jersey politicans don't pander to these scumbags the way Idaho politicans do...

[MrSandman]

33. She fired the guy according to the link...

"BOISE--U.S. Rep. Helen Chenoweth has fired a campaign consultant who wrote an article published in a Boise newspaper charging that Anne Frank's diary was a hoax and saying a proposed Anne Frank Human Rights Memorial in Boise shouldn't be built.

``Helen was profoundly saddened at what he had to say,'' said Chenoweth's campaign manager, Jim Gambrell. ``Her feelings are it is proper that a monument to Anne Frank be erected. Monuments are symbols, and this monument will be a symbol of our determination to oppose the kind of inhumanity and disregard for human life that all the victims of the Nazi Holocaust knew only too well.'' "

[MrBenchley]

34. How desperate can the RKBA crowd get?

[MrSandman]

35. Not desperate enough...

To link to a neo-Nazi page which is critical of someone and claim it as evidence of pandering to the neo-Nazis.

Ed for spelling...s

[MrBenchley]

36. But desperate enough to try to defend Helen Chenoweth

Hahahahahaha......

[MrSandman]

38. Never heard about her until...

She and a Senator were accused of Nazi-pandering. Pointing out facts not in evidence.

[MrBenchley]

39. And so here you are sticking up for her...

[alwynsw]

40. That's likely why you have more groups of that type

See above. As the state becomes more restrictive...

Kentucky must pander to them a great deal. We don't have any groups listed at SPL.

credibility link: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp?T=7&m=1

[slackmaster]

32. ROFL!

:toast:

[MrBenchley]

6. Wonder what those folks would do

without gun shows and gun owner groups?

[alwynsw]

7. They'd get most of their stuff on the gray and black markets

as they do now.

Please get off that line about gun groups and gun shows. No reputable gun owners association of any stripe, including the NRA, endorses those idiots.

You can whine, complain, and spin all day, but that won't make it true. I repeat: No reputable gun owners association of any stripe, including the NRA, endorses those idiots.

Your repeated failure to offer proof of this instead of hyperbole and fiction is growing old.

[MrBenchley]

10. Yeah, surrrrre....

"No reputable gun owners association of any stripe, including the NRA, endorses those idiots."
Not even close to true:

Here's the NRA:

"Wassmuth also expressed concern about some leaders of organizations such as the National Rifle Association (NRA) who have teamed up with patriot groups to further their cause. Alliances such as these carry the extremist movement into other issues such as property rights and anti-abortion."

http://www.aboutfacts.com/extremist.htm

"After the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, the NRA came under intense public criticism for fueling the kind of vicious anti-government sentiment that is believed to have been linked to the explosion. So at the Phoenix meeting, the NRA leadership made a particular effort to reverse any perception that the organization was associated with the militia movement or terrorism. The fact that Timothy McVeigh, the prime suspect in the bombing, was once a member of the NRA was never mentioned, although a resolution passed commemorating NRA members who died in the explosion. ...Tanya Metaksa, the executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, gave the ILA's Law Enforcement Officer of the Year Award to militia icon Richard Mack, sheriff of Graham County, Ariz. ...February was the month when Metaksa had a secret dinner with the leaders of the Michigan Militia - the same militia whose local meetings Timothy McVeigh reportedly attended on several occasions. Militia commander Ken Adams said on Nightline that he complained about NRA President Tom Washington, who was arguing that the NRA should not align itself with militias. He said Metaksa agreed that Washington was " a problem to the NRA." "

http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia7.html

NRA board members include Leroy Pyle, part of the Illinois Militia, T.J. Johnston head of the neofascist Orange County Corps, nutcase Wayne Stump of the racist group English First, nutcase Harry Thomas, and Robert K. Brown, publisher of Soldier of Fortune.

What about the SECOND largest group?

"Even many conservatives consider the GOA to be extremist. After a shooting at an Oregon school in May 1998 in which two pupils were killed by a fellow student, it issued a press release headed: "Lesson of school shootings: More guns needed at schools".
Its director, Larry Pratt, was forced to resign as co-chairman of Pat Buchanan's 1996 presidential bid after news leaked of his links with the Ku Klux Klan, the Aryan Nations and rightwing militia groups. Mr Pratt is also head of an anti-immigrant organisation called English First.
It emerged yesterday that Mr Ashcroft wrote a friendly handwritten letter in March 1998 to Mr Pratt, thanking him for drawing his attention to provisions in a juvenile justice bill which imposed increased penalties for gun law offences. As a result of the GOA's lobbying, Mr Ashcroft, who had originally been a sponsor of the bill, withdrew his support for the legislation. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0113-01.htm

Of course, I've offered this and other proof over and over and over again.

[demsrule4life]

11. I wonder what really happens

at plumber conventions with all that exposed crack?

[MrBenchley]

12. Gee, dems...

There's not ANY armed shitheels wandering around in Nazi costumes...nor do they have to warn people in writing that they have to tone down their Nazi propaganda. But then it's for sane professionals, not a gun show where the scum come to mingle.

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[Withergyld]

37. I was a plumber for seven years

I went to a few "Plumber" gatherings. Never saw any guns though.

[MrSandman]

14. Tooo funny

My dad was a plumber, I'll ask.

[demsrule4life]

17. I have a question

was your dad a gun owner while he was a plumber? And did any of his plumber friends own guns. Just wondering if there could be any "scum" walking around those plumber trade shows.

[MrSandman]

19. I always assumed that everyone owned guns...

[alwynsw]

20. Same here

In the area where I grew up (rural), we had no murders that I can recall, very little thievery except for the usual summertime watermelon patch raids, crime in general was unheard of and everyone I knew owned guns and hunted.

[MrBenchley]

22. By the way....

You'll notice I offered the proof of what I said YET AGAIN above.

[alwynsw]

26. Go peddle that pantload to someone who cares

[MrBenchley]

27. In other words I had the proof all along

[slackmaster]

21. Probably buy most of their stuff mail order

Or through Internet sales, just like the rest of us.

[davidinalameda]

41. locking

keep the flame wars down to a bare minimum today--please