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kpete
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:07 PM Original message |
Lawrence ODonnells: "You just heard the NRA’s lie, now some facts". |
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xchrom
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. recommend |
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Junkdrawer
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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11 Bravo
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R - O'Donnell has been on a roll recently. |
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LAGC
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Problem is, if Loughner didn't have high-capacity magazines... |
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Angry Dragon
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I read where a shell jammed in his gun |
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LAGC
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Could have been a feeding problem due to the high-capacity magazine. |
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TheWraith
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Sun Jun-26-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
276. Actually, a magazine spring broke, causing it to jam. In any event, this OP is false. |
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jpak
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. Large capacity magazines = instruments of mass murder |
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madokie
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Sat Feb-12-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. Even though I chose to not own guns |
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olegramps
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #29 |
62. I believe its a little too late. Millions have been produced. |
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madokie
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
93. yup that too |
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Starboard Tack
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Sun Jun-26-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
271. Then make the penalty for using them more than anyone wants to pay. |
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pneutin
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Mon Jun-27-11 02:25 AM Response to Reply #271 |
289. How would you enforce this? |
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Starboard Tack
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Mon Jun-27-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #289 |
299. How would I enforce what exactly? |
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pneutin
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Tue Jun-28-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #299 |
301. How are you going to catch people who use these magazines illegally? n/t |
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Starboard Tack
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Tue Jun-28-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #301 |
302. The same way you catch anyone. By appealing to the venality of others. |
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pneutin
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Wed Jun-29-11 04:06 AM Response to Reply #302 |
305. Uhh what? I don't think so |
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Starboard Tack
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Thu Jun-30-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #305 |
306. Why are you so concerned about catching people? |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jun-30-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #306 |
307. If you aren't going to enforce your proposed ban, then what's the point of passing it? n/t |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Jul-01-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #307 |
312. When bans were enacted in the UK they were followed by amnesties |
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pneutin
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Thu Jun-30-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #306 |
309. Thanks for admitting there's no way of enforcing an idiotic ban or penalty on "high-capacity" mags |
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Starboard Tack
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Fri Jul-01-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #309 |
313. You can't ban idiots. It's more important to recognize them before they shoot you |
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Mon Jun-27-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #271 |
295. Some states have the death penalty, yet some citizens of them still commit murder. |
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Starboard Tack
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Mon Jun-27-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #295 |
300. "Your logic is teh fail..." |
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Tue Jun-28-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #300 |
304. Places with the harshest penalty of all have *more* of what the penalty is supposed to prevent. |
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Porterhouse
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
97. Every time a ban is enacted |
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Starboard Tack
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Sun Jun-26-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #97 |
272. How rarely? More than once? Make 'em illegal and it'll be way more. |
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friendly_iconoclast
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Thu Jun-30-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #272 |
308. Another one that wants spree shooters to be forced to reload, like at Virginia Tech.... |
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benEzra
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Thu Jun-30-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #272 |
310. Oh, BS. Civilian shooters have been using >10-round magazines since Abraham Lincoln was president. |
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rl6214
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
173. The hi cap mag was his downfall |
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benEzra
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Mon Jun-27-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
296. Is that why civilian rifles have had such magazines since the 1860's, and pistols since the 1930's? |
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pipoman
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hmmm |
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madinmaryland
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. Recommended! LO is making some really making some excellent points! |
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pipoman
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Maybe if it was still 2004 |
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rl6214
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
174. LO |
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derby378
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. Anyone have a link to that first Justice Department study? |
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X_Digger
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Sat Feb-12-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Here's a couple.. |
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bluestate10
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. You left out the best part. |
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lawodevolution
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
104. You mean the part where he used dishonesty and bigotry to "tear lapierre apart." |
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L0oniX
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. Bull shit! That figure doesn't account for all the gun defense actions that occurred over 10 years. |
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sharesunited
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Isn't that mostly guns being used in defense against guns? I award zero points for those. |
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Straw Man
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "Zero Sum" is the goal--victim prevails, status quo is restored. |
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Paladin
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Self-Delete (n/t) |
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sharesunited
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. One point awarded when a gun is used for defense and no gun was used to initiate the crime. |
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minoradjustment
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Fri Jul-01-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
311. Amazing! |
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Swede
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Not to mention the 30,000 gun deaths per year in the USA. |
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beevul
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
129. Only 12 thousand or so are homicides. |
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Starboard Tack
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
209. Wow! Only 12 thousand are homicides |
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beevul
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. Who owns your life? |
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JDPriestly
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. If you own a gun, but your mentally disabled neighbor does not own a gun, |
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GreenStormCloud
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #80 |
146. Please explain how taking my gun away from me help them defend themselves against crime. N/T |
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darkstar3
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #146 |
152. Who suggested that you surrender your weapon? |
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GreenStormCloud
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #152 |
201. See post #85. That person wants me to be disarmed because |
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spin
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
96. Few people are impressed with your scoring system ... |
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YllwFvr
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
126. like when police defend themselves |
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Starboard Tack
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Sun Jun-26-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
275. Apparently not. Some here have posted about having brandished as a deterrent |
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PavePusher
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Sun Jun-26-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #275 |
277. "eventually"? When is that, exactly? |
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Straw Man
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Sun Jun-26-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #277 |
284. Somebody is playing "Greatest Hits." |
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Starboard Tack
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Mon Jun-27-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #277 |
298. Hmm! Probably just before the next Rapture. |
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Missy Vixen
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. And be sure and Google for gun fatalities that happen every day |
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pipoman
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. and while you're at it google for the breakdown of those fatalities |
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baldguy
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
74. Nobody ever said that guns cause violent crime |
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russ1943
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
222. UR statistic. |
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safeinOhio
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Sun Jun-26-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #222 |
270. The crime problem is about handguns |
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gejohnston
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Sun Jun-26-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #270 |
279. That same study also said that |
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Scruffy1
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. That is laughable |
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Sat Feb-12-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
100. Many defensive gun uses never make it into a database ... |
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #12 |
44. "Criminals with guns fear law abiding defense gun owners" |
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X_Digger
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #44 |
70. DOJ studies / interviews with criminals from the 80's |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
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darkstar3
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
107. What point? |
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darkstar3
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
85. If you believe that then you believe the death penalty is a deterrent. |
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L0oniX
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Blah blah blah ...where's your stat links ...or common sense? |
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darkstar3
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. Spoken like someone with no insight into the criminal mind. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #101 |
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. Now you just heard the "Gun Controllers" lies... |
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egressingsparrowdrop
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #14 |
60. Wow, by that logic child pornography is OK too, huh? |
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X_Digger
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Please google malum in se , malum prohibitum n/t |
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. I know what it means. |
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X_Digger
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Replace it with some of our asinine drug offenses and it's more apt |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
124. You don't provide the source of your numbers....though I've seen them before |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. So let me understand. You won't buy the link given yet you expect us to buy the link you give? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. what link? what are you |
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shadowrider
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. My apologies. I looked at the wrong post and thought you were dismissing |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #124 |
150. A non-trivial number of those defensive uses... |
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X_Digger
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
163. There were 13-15 surveys from 1976-1994 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #163 |
180. Hemenway doesn't use the same methodology in his paper that rips the Kleck study, and all others |
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X_Digger
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #180 |
185. For those years when the crime rate was double what it is now? Yes |
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Sun Jun-26-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #180 |
269. Hemenway has three problems |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
130. Here's a great analogy from the Hemenway paper...puts the 2 million DGU BS in perspective v.well.... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
166. aka, if I can't refute it, I'll make fun of it.. n/t |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #166 |
189. Actually the paper refutes it quite thouroughly. |
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X_Digger
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #189 |
193. It's not the first time it's been brought up here.. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Well, now it's being discussed again, in keeping with the |
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X_Digger
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Tue Jun-28-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #130 |
303. Awww, elvis has left the building.. |
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QuintinInAlaska
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
111. In your view |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #111 |
119. There may be a legitimate argument against my opinions, I just haven't seen one yet |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #78 |
176. I want all illegal drugs to remain illegal |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
109. Child pornography is a type of misuse of a camera yet we are not calling for |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. That's not entirely true. |
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benEzra
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Mon Jun-27-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #112 |
297. People convicted of violent crimes are already prevented from legally owning a gun... |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
255. i don't have a problem with GUNS, until some asshole has one n/t |
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Mon Feb-14-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #255 |
262. And you and only you make that determination? n/t |
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pipoman
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Sat Feb-12-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. Just some facts..as stated earlier, the AWB made absolutely no difference |
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Brilliantrocket
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Maybe we should ban having an angry tone in your voice when you exercise free speech. |
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Sat Feb-12-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Is that a strawman or a red herring? |
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L0oniX
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
92. Thanks for posting those links ...makes my point. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #92 |
228. I find it amusing |
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Sat Jul-02-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
314. The point that violent crime fell drastically as "assault weapon" sales tripled, you mean? |
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Kingofalldems
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Sat Feb-12-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. Uh oh-- the gungeon won't lke this one |
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madinmaryland
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Sat Feb-12-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yeap. All of Wayne LaPierre supporters seem to have sniffed this one out. |
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Kingofalldems
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Sat Feb-12-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I was attacked for saying La Pierre was lying |
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lawodevolution
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
110. Cite one lie please from LaPierre and you'll have made a valid point |
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Sun Jun-26-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #110 |
273. The fact that he is right wing means you don't have to actually support any claims you make... |
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X_Digger
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Sat Feb-12-11 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
26. From the same 2004 study.. |
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Sat Feb-12-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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Sat Feb-12-11 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
31. That was one of the best posts I have ever read on DU |
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Sat Feb-12-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
32. Thank you, kpete. Rec. |
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Sat Feb-12-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
33. The "good guy" |
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RamboLiberal
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
45. It wasn't that is was too dangerous to fire |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
67. The idea that some cowboy with a gun is going to stop these things is far-fetched. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
154. Unarmed citizens are rarely able to do anything except die. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. And numerous instances of CCW holders hitting bystanders. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #159 |
177. Please cite where ccw holders have shot bystanders |
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RamboLiberal
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #177 |
196. +1 I read a lot of news stories daily |
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #159 |
200. It is rare for a CCW holder to hit an innocent. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #154 |
198. Exactly - there are few instances where unarmed people |
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Sat Feb-12-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
34. I think LaPierre needs to be in a gun battle. |
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Sat Feb-12-11 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
37. When did Lawrence OD turn into a fear mongering piece of shit? |
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RamboLiberal
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
46. +1 on that - Lawrence needs to get his facts straight |
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Sat Feb-12-11 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
38. O'Donnell is lying and he knows it. Also he's full of shit. And prevaricating too. |
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DrDan
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. probably gained much more respect from the left than he lost |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Only from the cheerleaders who don't care about the facts.. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. "facts" as defined by the NRA and followers, of course |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Facts as defined by reality.. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. "If they limit mags to 10 rounds, people will buy more. There's no evidence that will save lives. " |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. You aren't unarmed when reloading. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. +1 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #84 |
105. Then why do we continue to support police use of similair weapons? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Maybe because police are fully trained by safety officers in the use of those weapons. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
151. And those police never make mistakes, amIrite? n/t |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Everyone makes mistakes. Rigorous training and accountability reduces them greatly. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #153 |
164. Except that the police are not so "rigourously trained and accountable"... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. In some towns, your subject line would be correct, |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
205. And none of that is any basis to deprive me of a valid means of self-defense. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #108 |
184. I guarantee you I and most competitive shooters can out shoot |
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #108 |
202. And they're never around when you need one. nt |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:03 PM Response to Reply #108 |
218. Lol, funniest post of the week. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
114. You were issued a semi auto A2? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
120. so you were a Marine |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #84 |
145. I seem to remember during my tour |
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Sun Jun-26-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #145 |
268. A-2s are burst fire. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
113. "except that every military in the world acknowledges that having more bullets loaded into magazine" |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
118. slight factual error |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
182. except that every military in the world acknowledges that having more bullets loaded into magazines |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
220. Using a completely unjustifiable invasion as a proper use of firepower |
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Mon Feb-14-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
248. You have weapons mixed up. |
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Sat Feb-12-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
40. K&R |
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Sat Feb-12-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
41. Love those facts that include lots of mays and a perhaps or two... |
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Sat Feb-12-11 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
42. "Freakonomics" says otherwise |
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
43. High capacity magazines weren't banned when the AWB was in effect. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:19 AM Response to Original message |
47. k/r -- We've also just seen an entire REVOLUTION conducted w/o guns -- just non-violence -- !! |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
117. 300 people died in 3 weeks mostly in Cairo, that's a faster rate of death than the afgani war |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
214. The protesters were NON-VIOLENT... Mubarak and his thugs VIOLENT ... |
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #214 |
242. They were throwing rocks, they were violent, they simply didn't have the more effective weapons |
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Mon Feb-14-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #242 |
244. You're desperate -- they were "throwing rocks back" at those who threw them at them ... !! |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #244 |
256. I consider it desperate to claim the disaster of a protest in Egypt with a body count of 300 |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #256 |
258. Obviously, your main concern is to prove that revolutions can't be fought without guns -- !!! |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #258 |
260. I see. 300 dead is ok with you because they didn't fight back. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #260 |
263. No one but YOU has suggested 300 lives taken by Mubarak violence is "OK" -- |
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Mon Feb-14-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #263 |
264. looks like the military just took control. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #47 |
121. and we saw one quelled |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #121 |
215. What's your point about Iran? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
48. Brilliant. The NRA is just another Republican PAC. Supporting the GOP for 30 years!!! |
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I wonder what happened 30-40 years ago.... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. ...which caused an explosion of first generation repugs!! |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. The NRA will donate Republican |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
106. What a wonderful straw man... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
125. When an infringement is proposed |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. We have a tri-branch government for a reason. The courts help protect us from the unconstitutional. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. We do? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Yes. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #135 |
141. Somewhat contrary to what you said the first time. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #141 |
149. None of that changes my point. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #149 |
156. Heh. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. Are you a constitutional scholar? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. Reasoned analysis is not dependent... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. It is not dependent on pedigree, but it IS dependent on experience, |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Thats quite an assertion. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #170 |
207. Your words: |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #170 |
257. Just look at your general attitude |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. Does it matter? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. The document in question was written as a foundation. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. Of course it was. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #149 |
259. Not even close to "dealt with" |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #135 |
155. No. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #127 |
186. Check your facts |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #127 |
187. The limits are on actions |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
216. +1000% -- |
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
49. Bravo Lawrence!!!! K&R |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
53. Deleted message |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
58. K&R |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
59. K&R!!! |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
147. Assault rifles are too expensive for me. I prefer semi-auto rifles. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
61. lol.... yeah well, when do they not lie? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
63. Can anyone against this ban explain one simple thing to me, please.... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The so called "assault weapons ban" banned weapons based on cosmetics/looks. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Doesn't buying a gun for "cosmetic/looks" bother you. Maybe we need to tighten up mental evaluation |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yeah that is logical. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. No, just don't want to see lots of folks walking around with guns in public. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. In the gun world, seeming to be able to kill large numbers of people is "stylish". |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
123. No one carries an assault weapon in public |
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Mon Feb-14-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #123 |
235. Actually, "assalt rifles" are used in practally no crimes. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
134. Can you let me know |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #63 |
236. Still waiting for a reply on what you consider |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
64. A society where more and more folks tote guns in public is a society in real trouble. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Deleted sub-thread |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
206. Well then you probably wont like this.... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
77. Boy, do the Gun Dungeon folks love their guns |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. According to DU polls over 50% of DU members own guns. Who are you attacking? |
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Mon Feb-14-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #94 |
227. The term used was "Gun Dungeon" |
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
79. Total B. S. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
81. Some more facts. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. please provide a link crediting the expiration of AWB for declining crime rates |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Did you and I read the same post? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I am sure we did - and that post certainly is implying that the expiration |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. here are a few |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. doesn't seem to - I looked at those - I did not see an explanation |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. no one made the suggestion that the sunsetting of the AWB caused crime rates to decline |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #102 |
115. of course that was the implication - let's get real |
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Sun Feb-13-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. lets get real- |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #115 |
136. Well, the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban DID NOT cause the violent crime rate ... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. of course it does not prove it |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Seriously, explain how the expiration of the AWB could by itself reduce crime rates |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. thats exactly what we've been saying |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. "Which proves that MORE firearms does not equal MORE crime" |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #144 |
160. well it does prove it |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #160 |
181. correct - "infer" - not proven |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #181 |
190. But we can also infer that banning firearms or hi-cap magazines will not decrease violent crime ... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #91 |
175. Ooh, Carnac is in the house! |
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Sun Feb-13-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
88. ODonnells is propagandizing, to be sure, but he's not the first to do that with guns. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #88 |
142. So her point is that the a president was shot so that means the guns the secret service |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #142 |
157. That is a ridiculous summation. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #157 |
243. Now you make the claim that guns are useless for defending someone again and claim |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
192. Ah yes, lets make our policies based upon |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
95. Good one |
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Sun Feb-13-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
103. Wayne LaPierre is an asshole |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
148. I suspect anyone who challenges you or disagrees with you politically is an "asshole" |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #148 |
161. No so - but Wayne LaPierre and the Free Staters are assholes |
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Sun Feb-13-11 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
143. The good guy with the gun was NOT at the immediate scene. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #143 |
158. Thank you for posting facts, but those on the anti gun side don't care about facts |
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Sun Feb-13-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #158 |
199. True, they have emotions that allows them to make up "facts". N/T |
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Sun Feb-13-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
168. Since the 1994 Feinstein law roughly tripled sales of civilian AR's and AK's 1994-2004... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
178. The usual gun-lovers |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #178 |
195. ROFL |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #195 |
204. ROFLx2 |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #204 |
208. I can no more... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #208 |
211. That's OK |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. LOL. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #213 |
225. I'm laughing harder than you, trust me |
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Mon Feb-14-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #225 |
226. I'm sure. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #226 |
230. Definitions |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #211 |
223. Cite to evidence? n/t |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #223 |
224. Post #187 |
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Sun Jun-26-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #204 |
274. Actually, no |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #178 |
197. Here let me save you some time.. |
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Sun Feb-13-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. Deleted message |
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #197 |
240. Ha! |
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Mon Feb-14-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #240 |
246. Then feel free to repost.. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #246 |
251. I bet! |
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Mon Feb-14-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. If you keep within the rules of civility, you should have no problem. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #252 |
254. I find it humerous |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #178 |
221. Personally, I couldn't give a single shit less what the FF thought. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #221 |
232. You're kinda brainwashed |
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Mon Feb-14-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #232 |
261. Would someone translate this from Superiority Complex to English? |
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Tue Feb-15-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #261 |
265. Deleted message |
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Mon Jun-27-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #265 |
291. No, it was scrubbed because you cannot follow simple rules of civility... |
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Mon Feb-14-11 06:35 AM Response to Reply #178 |
229. What is amusing is that you read the OP |
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Mon Feb-14-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #229 |
231. You're a funny one |
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aikoaiko
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Mon Feb-14-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #178 |
234. Not even President Obama agrees with you. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Your point? |
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aikoaiko
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #237 |
238. My point is that your position is extreme and not mainstream. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #238 |
239. Hmmm |
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aikoaiko
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Mon Feb-14-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #239 |
245. Don't flatter yourself. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #245 |
250. mainstream site? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
188. Thank you for posting this...eom |
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Sun Feb-13-11 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
191. LO seems to be under the impression... |
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Sun Feb-13-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
212. Deleted message |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #212 |
217. Believe a lot of conspiracies do you? |
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Sun Feb-13-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #212 |
219. Yes they do have a big budget - and a shitload of voters too. |
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Mon Feb-14-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
233. Is LO'D the caller in a game of fallacy bingo? |
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Mon Feb-14-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #233 |
241. +1 n/t |
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Mon Feb-14-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #233 |
247. One correction---it wasn't illegal to import over-10-round magazines 1994-2004 |
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Mon Feb-14-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
253. How much did gun murders decline in the other states? |
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Sun Jun-26-11 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
266. Go Lawrence! nt |
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Sun Jun-26-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #266 |
267. Go Xdigger. Post number 26. |
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Sun Jun-26-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #267 |
278. Guys, this is a 5 month old thread with 270 responses. |
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Sun Jun-26-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #266 |
280. Just another talking head that doesn't know WTF he is talking about |
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Sun Jun-26-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #266 |
282. Reviving zombie threads ... |
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Sun Jun-26-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
281. The AWB's biggest success was bringing the 45ACP back from the dead. |
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Sun Jun-26-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #281 |
283. Now if there is a way to bring back the .38 Super, I'll be happy. nt |
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Sun Jun-26-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
285. All murders declined in all states after the ban passed |
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Mon Jun-27-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #285 |
293. Interestingly if a bad economy led to more violent crime ... |
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Sun Jun-26-11 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
286. Decline of 10.3 percent. |
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Sun Jun-26-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #286 |
287. Exactly. |
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Mon Jun-27-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #286 |
292. Assault weapon is a moveable feast. |
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Mon Jun-27-11 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
288. Loughner was tackled on the ground and disarmed before the good guy with the gun arrived. |
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Mon Jun-27-11 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
290. It's not a citizens' problem... |
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Mon Jun-27-11 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
294. So a law that INCREASED sales of "assault weapons" and >10-round magazines |
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