Why Grandpa carries a gun:

[DWC]

My old grandpa said to me 'Son, there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts
bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin.'
I don't carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.
I don't carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.
I don't carry a gun because I'm paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.
I don't carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.
I don't carry a gun because I'm angry. I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.
I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in
my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.
I don't carry a gun because I'm a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.
I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.
I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs I'm inadequate.
I don't carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
Police protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone
in to clean up the mess.
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'...

author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

Semper Fi,

[sharesunited]

1. The problem is, Grandpa, if you can get a gun and ammo anyone can.

And that means bullets in innocent bodies, including your old hide.

[cleanhippie]

2. The problem is you are an authoritarian. "Just seeking the level of freedom which the society can"

"Just seeking the level of freedom which the society can handle."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=412696

[sharesunited]

4. Not unlike removing morphine from the shelves and putting it behind the glass.

Society couldn't handle it on the shelves.

[cleanhippie]

9. Like I stated, you are an authoritarian. Thanks for proving me right.

And your schtick is well beyond its "use by" date.

[S_B_Jackson]

35. And yet heroin is gaining popularity as an illegal street drug

Yet another sharesunited analogy FAIL.

[Atypical Liberal]

15. That is absolutely true.

The problem is, Grandpa, if you can get a gun and ammo anyone can. And that means bullets in innocent bodies, including your old hide.

This is absolutely true. If good people can have firearms, so can bad people.

The fundamental difference in opinion is that you would disarm everyone in a futile attempt to disarm the bad people, leaving the weak at the mercy of the strong.

I am willing to tolerate the tiny minority of bad people misusing firearms so that the vast majority of people can have them to defend themselves.

[sharesunited]

20. Your claimed need to defend is purposely exaggerated to justify a predisposition for deadly force.

[Atypical Liberal]

21. What does that have to do with the conversation at hand?

Your claimed need to defend is purposely exaggerated to justify a predisposition for deadly force.

This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

You said:

The problem is, Grandpa, if you can get a gun and ammo anyone can. And that means bullets in innocent bodies, including your old hide.

The implication here is that if good people can get guns, then bad people can also get guns.

This is absolutely true. As I said before, If good people can have firearms, so can bad people.

I also said that the fundamental difference in opinion is that you would disarm everyone in a futile attempt to disarm the bad people, leaving the weak at the mercy of the strong.

This is also true.

By putting the qualifier "claimed" in front of "need", you are making the case that there is no real need for people to defend themselves from violent crime.

In 2009, the violent crime rate in the United States was 429.4 per 100,000. The homicide rate was 5.4 per 100,000. The property crime rate was 3,036 per 100,000.

This translates to 1,422,552 violent crimes, 16,632 homicides, and 9,350,0880 property crimes in the United States. This is 10,790,064 people who had an need to defend themselves or their property in 2009. Even if you choose to ignore property, which I don't, that is still a million and a half people every year who need to defend themselves, and deserve the right to do so. These numbers are no exaggeration, they are fact, and you can look them up yourself.

The fact of the matter is, every year some 1.5 million people are victims of violent crime and murder. Without firearms, every single one of these people has no possibility to resist their assailant without resorting to a physical contest of strength.

[cleanhippie]

25. Nothing. Nothing at all. It just the usual sophomoric attempt to use big words in a word salad.

I think that when he reads it, he thinks he is being smart.

[Katya Mullethov]

32. We must defenestrate , and masticate the uvula of violence !

[one-eyed fat man]

26. Maybe you are right

I feel that any violent criminal who violent attack fails because he is killed by his erstwhile victim is a net gain to society.

Every rapist, assassin, robber who dies during the commission of his crime is certain to finally fulfill his greatest contribution to productive society as worm food.

[Katya Mullethov]

31. Some people owe their entire existence

Their very presence on this Earth had no other purpose than to serve as a warning to others .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSOC5M7rEvQ
Ahhhh to be young again .

And what kid hasnt gone fishing with carbide and a screw top metal antifreeze or brake fluid can ?
This guy apparently .
http://victortorch.blogspot.com/2010/01/explosion-from-transporting-acetylene.html

[DWC]

44. I have Zero predisposition for deadly force.

But I am highly predisposed to remain free from harm and alive.

Like most CCWs I exercise situational awareness and conflict avoidance. Like many CCWs I carry a small container of pepper spray and will opt to deploy it rather than my handgun IF I think it will stop the situation.

To me and to every one of the many CCWs I know, lethal force is the court of last resorts but IF I think it is necessary to stop a life threatening situation, I will use it without hesitation.

I may be old but I am not stupid.

Semper Fi,

[DWC]

36. Get Real

Anyone can get guns and ammo or baseball bats or knives, or tire irons or... the list is endless. Further we seniors are primary victims of more youthful predators because of our physical limitations to resist physical violence.

Our lives become more and more precious to us as we grow older and can anticipate less and less of it. If a violent criminal attempts to steal what little time I have left naturally, he will be risking the long natural life he could have before him.

"Never attack an old man. If he is too old to fight you, he will just kill you."

No truer words were ever spoken.

Semper Fi,

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

37. Amen. And more sound advice:

"If you've got to resist, you're chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah." - Dr. Arthur Kellerman - Health Magazine, March/April 1994

[DWC]

42. My wife prefers her 9mm Makarov but

what ever gun you are comfortable with and shoot well is the right gun for you.

Semper Fi,

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

43. 9 mm is...

...a fine weapon. :)

Sometimes it is difficult to discuss some issues.
It seems that there are some who are not well informed, (i.e. - they don't know their weapons.)
It seems that they wouldn't know the difference between an AK-47 and an AC-47.

Semper Fi

[Philippine expat]

46. And stopping Grandpa

would stop the bad guys HOW?

[tularetom]

3. Methinks Grandpa doth protest too much

He's doin an awful lot of rationalizing.

Personally this grandpa doesn't carry a gun because I have no place to put one. Between wallet keys and pocket knife I feel like I have too much shit to carry around now.

I'll be 70 years old in a few months, my chances of croaking from something other than a gunshot are a lot greater.

[GreenStormCloud]

5. Your choice. I'm a geezer too and I carry everywhere. N/T

[spin]

14. Same here. (n/t)

[fascisthunter]

6. "Semper Fi"

that mean anything to the topic? Oh, it was a military man... so we must heed what he/she says on this topic.

signed,
Jesus

[ProgressiveProfessor]

8. It putatively means that the author chose to put his life at risk for the nation

and while not granting absolute authority on the topic, it does merit some respect.

[cleanhippie]

11. Do you even know what it means?

And not only in the literal sense, but what it means to a Marine? I'm thinking not, because if you did, there would not be a comment like yours to even respond to.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

signed

Inigo Montoya

[rl6214]

27. The poster was a military man, the originator of the piece is unknown

[DWC]

33. IMHO it means a great deal

to this topic concerning my right, my responsibility, and my sworn commitment to defend myself and my Nation against all enemies which includes violent criminals. Old age is not a limiting factor.

Semper Fi,

[jpak]

7. uumm...could it be that "Grampa" was just a scared and angry old douchebagger

that couldn't handle the reality of a Black Democratic President with a funny foreign-sounding name?

:shrug:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

10. I don't get that from it, but then I am not flatlander snow bird either

[DonP]

16. That's flatlander, snowbird, Fudd ... and former Texan to you sir!

At least those are all things he's claimed he was so far. I'm sure there are more exciting chapters to come.

[jpak]

17. You are keeping an extensive dossier on me - I find that both creepy and flattering

and - yes - there is more to come...

for I am....




































The King of Spain

yup

:rofl:

[RSillsbee]

18. No that's spelled S.PA.M. NT

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. Just goes to your credibility

[rl6214]

29. What credibility?

never was never will be.

[ileus]

12. Not considering this chain mail has been around since at least the 90's

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[rl6214]

30. We see that in every post of yours.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

22. that is a racist comment. n/t

[rl6214]

28. No I would assign that lable to you

And without even knowing who this person is you have labled him a racist and a bigot.

You are pitiful. Just when you think you've stooped about as low as you could ever get, you get a little bit lower. What a loser.

[DWC]

34. I have seriously had a gut full

of your denigrating our President and then ascribing that action to others.

Semper Fi,

[Hassin Bin Sober]

38. Grandpa needs Prozac and Xanex.

[ileus]

40. Why do you want to dope poor ole gramps, he's already high on life.

[Hoyt]

39. Wait until grandpa gets dementia. The kids gonna have to take his guns away.

Hope he doesn't shoot someone before they do.

Author is likely a TBagger.

[DWC]

41. Whatever I may have been in my life...

A TBagger is definitely not one of them.

With respect to dementia, If I live that long, the kids will have to take my car keys, pepper spray, condoms, and a lot more than just my guns.

Semper Fi,

[Kolesar]

45. A litany of RW talking points

I hear this shit from coworkers and other people I meet. sad

Gramps mom is obviously dead, so he can't hide behind her skirt.
"sometimes this world can be a scary place. "