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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:25 AM Original message |
Misuse of guns account for only about 1.25% of all deaths in 2007 |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. I have been here since DU's inception and NEVER |
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michunionman (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. well |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
50. Right. Why worry about a mere 30,000 deaths a year |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Most were suicides. Most murder victims were criminals. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The Canadian gun registry has costed several billion already |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. 2 billion is a lot of money. Was that per year? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Actually, the last reputable figure was $948M, since inception.. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
42. Yes you have. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Then you clearly haven't run into.... |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
71. Then you haven't been paying attention. |
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michunionman (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. I agree |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. So? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. So what? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Just because they are not all used to kill doesn't alter what they are designed to do |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. What bearing does that have on their usage? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. It isn't about moral principles |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. In this case, yes. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I have a great solution. Leave it at home and your hope will be fulfilled |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Or... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. " Honestly, this is something that has been explained to you dozens of times now" |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. lol, nice try buddy. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Most people do just that. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. I agree 100%. Unfortunately many here think it's more important than |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. Seriously, "junkie talk"? Do you honestly not understand why someone would say that, |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Why someone would say what? |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I think you misunderstand.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #105 |
110. I do understand the thought process, but I still think it is a slippery slope. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Yet isn't society's rights... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Yes, society's rights are based on individual rights |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I may not have made myself clear in my previous posts. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. I think you hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Along with eqfan592's explanation, I have always understood the saying to mean |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. That doesn't work for me. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. That's fine. Sounds like you're justified in toting. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. There are many professions where I would carry if I were in them. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. My wife and I have been in 4 of those and neither has considered it. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
82. fulfilled until he gets canned from his job |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Only while on duty |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. depends on where |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. Very true and some places require you be unarmed both off and on duty |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
116. ironic isn't it? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. and about one tenth the murder rate of the US |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Yes I know |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. We being? Getting through in what way? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Yep. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Letting that moral principle squeak out there? |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. But when a mouse trap is used, it is used to catch mice, when a fire extinguisher is used it is |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I'm talking about toting handguns in public |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Because crime doesn't always just happen in your home. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Of course it doesn't. You're absolutely right. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Let me tell you a slightly different story first. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. "Learning from our experiences and altering our patterns of behavior |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
103. More like a personal choice than anything else. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #103 |
109. I appreciate your openness and honesty |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Thank you much, sir! :) |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. That is interesting and as I have said before, my own position has softened |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
87. Still the concealed carry weapons are meant to stop or deter a violent crime |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. The proper use if handguns is target shooting and self defense |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. A new low in Herd Mentality |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. 1 purpose? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. If you truly believe that, then don't own one. |
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DWC (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Actually, current estimates are between 75 and 80 million. n/t |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. Armed self-defense is a valid purpose. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Not at all. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. your fact free Brady talking point is mind-numbingly absurd. |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
98. Facts? You don't need any stinking facts. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
107. can't remember where I saw it, it may have been a miss print to mean that many had criminal records |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #98 |
108. Not sure where 94% comes from, but.... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
63. Please keep posting. You'll help the pro-gun, pro-rkba more than I ever will. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
72. Yes, handguns are good for killing. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
88. Their design is what makes them effective as a form of defense. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. That's not exactly a real assessment of the report. Since guns are not illnesses, one should |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Still only 1.25% of all deaths. Sure y'all will try to twist the data up but attempts to reduce |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. sinkingfeeling's perspective is accurate. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. So the money wasted on gun control would be better spent on research on combating cancer and |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
9. 30,000 dead is the acceptable death toll - sick |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Then I expect you are also for banning alcohol, pools and cars or do you just hate |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. No death toll is acceptable. Which is not the same as saying that any attempted |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Apparently it is - isn't that the point of this thread? |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. No, I think the second sentence in my post is closer to the point of the thread... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. BS "gun deaths are not a significant cause of death in the United States" = acceptable death toll |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Not really. Saying that a particular outcome is statistically insignificant, |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. For you the death toll from swimming accidents and automobiles is acceptable while the smaller |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with petronius on that |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. And that's just unacceptable, doggonit! We need to take steps immediately! |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Indeed, only things that are guaranteed 100% safe are acceptable |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
12. Not sure if this means anything, but... |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. They manipulate and cherry pick data until it looks how they want it. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
44. So you aren't as dead if you are murdered by stabbing, or clubbing, etc. N/T |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. actually it doesn't and here is why |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. I didn't know it was that much, percentage-wise. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
16. That is a remarkably interesting yet ghoulish report - I didn't know it existed |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
19. That's actually a quite large percentage. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. 1.25% is a large percent? How's that koolaid taste? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Nobody said it's "no big deal." |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
26. around 25k of those are bogus....so we're down to 5k maybe |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
27. Yeah, more statistics! |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Try reading my post |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Really. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. then let's do it to bong owners too |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Guns stimulate public spending. 12632 gun homicides at 17 million average cost = 217 billion |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. That would make sense... |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:19 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Very good point! :) |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. On the other hand.... |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. Umm, exactly how? |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. You're right. I don't want gun control laws. I think I want gun taxes. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Thats fine then. |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. The system doesn't work or mexican gangs wouldn't come HERE to arm up. |
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eqfan592 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Maybe you haven't heard... |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
76. The gun itself is not the item that drives violent crime. The motivation are drugs and money |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Hey, that's all easy for you to say. After all, I'm paying to support your culture. |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. Your not paying anything. The thug culture is feuled by the failure of anti gun parents to teach |
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Pholus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Another thought. If all these ways to off people exist, why is it most choose guns? |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
99. So by your logic, should everyone with a penis be paying |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
102. What a strange article - I've not seen anything like that before |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. I don't regard suicide by gun as misuse of a gun |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
30. Only if gun-control had anything to do with safety |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Sadly, it seems to appeal to far to many. n/t |
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