GUNS IN THE NEWS - June 26-28, 2004

[CO Liberal]

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[PopeyeII]

1. FOCUS: PERSONAL PROTECTION SHOOTING FOR SAFETY

FOCUS: PERSONAL PROTECTION
SHOOTING FOR SAFETY

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040627/1033157.asp





The finger pulling the trigger on the semiautomatic
rifle wore pale pink nail polish, and a slender
shoulder absorbed the kick.

Years ago, you weren't likely to see a woman
taking aim at the Niagara Gun Range or any
public gun range. Times have changed.

Erie County residents are flocking in increasing
numbers for pistol permits, often citing personal
safety and the fear of a terrorist attack or its
chaotic aftermath as reasons for needing a
handgun.

[CO Liberal]

15. Great....

Armed paranoids. Just what we need - NOT!!!!!

[PopeyeII]

17. No: Women with a sense of empowerment.

I think the world would be a lot safer and saner if more women were able to rely on themselves.

[CO Liberal]

19. And I think the world would be a lot safer and saner...

...if there were a lot fewer guns.

Period.

[MrBenchley]

20. It's funny...

The Second Amendment Caucus sure doesn't seem to give a shit for "empowered women." In fact, they seem to hate anything that might REALLY empower women.

And just about every real women's group up to and including the YWCA and the League of Women Voters, ended up on the NRA's enemies list.

[PopeyeII]

22. Pro Choise.

Glock or Sig.

[MrBenchley]

23. Last Gasp Dixiecrats or Right Wing Dimwits...

damned hard to decide sometimes...

[PopeyeII]

24. 9,000 news stories for home invasions.

There are currently over 9,000 news stories listed on my Google search engine for "home invasions."

How do we get the criminal guns off the street first?

That's a question I'll bet you cannot answer.

[MrBenchley]

26. Gee, keeping the gun industry from selling them guns in the first place

would be a helluva start.

Wonder how many of those 9,000 stories involve invaders with guns? Wonder if there's any that hasn't been dredged up and lied about here by the trigger happy amongst us?

[FeebMaster]

25. Are you trying to say something about people who

shop at Target?

[MrBenchley]

27. underwhelming knowledge of feeb

[FeebMaster]

29. Whatever that's supposed to mean. (nt)

[PopeyeII]

21. The world would be safer and saner...

....IF CRIMINALS AND TYRANTS GAVE UP THEIR GUNS FIRST.

Sort of like an act of good faith. Come on criminals, just turn them in.

[MrBenchley]

2. Sierra Club mystified by Kayne mutiny

"The National Rifle Association locked, loaded and fired its best shot at the Sierra Club this past week only to have the blast explode in its face.
Given a chance for an alliance with the Sierra Club and other hunting and environmental organizations to fight for common-ground wildlife habitat issues, NRA President Kayne Robinson said the NRA would go it alone -- throwing in a nasty and false charge against the Clinton Administration that appeared designed to further smear the Sierra Club and inflame hunters.
Robinson said that "26 million acres" of land was "closed to hunting during the Clinton Administration" -- a charge that was "dead wrong" according to former Forest Service chief Michael Dombeck, who heard the comments.
When pressed, Robinson could not cite or verify a single example to make his case.
"I was embarrassed and appalled (by the NRA)," said Pat Wray of Oregon, an OWAA board member and avid hunter and gun owner. "

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/27/SPGTJ7CHA41.DTL

Clearly, they care a lot more about getting right wing loonies in office than they do about their supposed constituency.

[MrBenchley]

3. Son finds parents dead in murder-suicide (FL)

"LAKELAND -- A man went to the home of his parents Sunday and found the couple dead of gunshot wounds, the third murder-suicide in Polk County this year, officials said.
Elaine Rawson, 64, apparently shot and killed husband George Rawson, 68, then turned the 9 mm handgun on herself, Polk County sheriff's spokeswoman Carrie Rodgers said.
The son, whose name was not available, had been worried because he had not heard from his parents in two weeks and went to the Lakeland home to check on them, Rodgers said. The couple likely died between June 9 and June 12, she said."

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Florida/03FloridaSTAT10062804.htm

[CO Liberal]

4. Murder-Suicide in Pueblo (CO)

Two little kids are orphans today because their daddy just had to have a gun....

This is posted in its entirity from the web page of the local NBC affiliate. Details are sketchy, since it happened yesterday morning. This incident took place less than 20 miles from my house. - Wayne

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Murder-Suicide in Pueblo

A Pueblo couple is dead, and police are calling it a murder-suicide. Neighbors heard gunshots and called police around 7:00 Sunday morning.

Officers found a man and a woman shot to death inside the home on Acero, with their two small children crying. Detectives say it appears the man shot and killed the woman, then turned the gun on himself.

The children are in the custody of relatives. The woman was reportedly pregnant, and was due to deliver a baby girl in September.

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http://www.koaa.com/news/view.asp?ID=2403

[LibLabUK]

8. Didn't a similar thing...

happen to Phil Hartmann, the guy from SNL?

[CO Liberal]

9. Similar

Except I believe Phil's wife had the gun. In this case, it looks like the husband had the gun.

[RoeBear]

10. This did not happen because...

..."daddy just had to have a gun". No matter how you try to paint this the gun did not cause the murder-suicide.
This could be more easily blamed on cut backs for mental health counseling or cut backs in women's center assistance.

So blaming it on the Republicans is fine, just blame it on the right part of their screw-ups.

[CO Liberal]

14. Guns Are Part Of The Problem

No matter what you pro-gunners say. A gun makes a murder-suicide too damn easy.

[CO Liberal]

5. Four charged in fatal shooting at apartment complex (SC)

Everyone in that apartment complex was in danger because of assholes with guns. - Wayne

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Four charged in fatal shooting at apartment complex

By Wendy Bigham The Herald
(Published June 28‚ 2004)

Four people were arrested by Rock Hill police Sunday in connection with a Saturday night shooting that left a 27-year-old Rock Hill man dead.

Charged with the murder of Arvell Derell Bagley, who lived at Paces River apartments off Celan-ese Road, are Des-mond Tonnellis Campbell, 22, of 2687 McDaniel Road, in Richburg; Christopher Alan Woody, 24, of 836 Westover, Danville, Va.; and Debrezio Mendes Campbell, 20, of 2799 McDaniel Road in Richburg.

Shaquavious Carmanece Robinson, 20, of 1275 Stoneypoint Drive, Apt. 201, Rock Hill, was charged with misprision of a felony, which means police think she had knowledge of the shooting but wasn't involved with it.

<snip>

Police don't know yet what motivated the shooting, said Lt. L.D. "Dart" Raymes of the Rock Hill Police Department. But Bagley had been in and out of trouble for a number of years and in December was indicted by a state grand jury on charges that he was involved in an insurance fraud ring in York County.

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http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/3665446p-3268284c.html

[Retired AF Dem]

11. Sounds like the type of person Bagley was he didn't take

the advice of if you going to play with the big dogs you better be able to pee on high bushes.

[CO Liberal]

6. UPDATE: Three victims of Detroit shooting remain hospitalized

New information about a story posted last week. - Wayne

PS to Mods - I posted five paragraphs instead of the usual four, to include the update info without people having to go to the original story.

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Three victims of Detroit shooting remain hospitalized

June 28, 2004, 8:39 AM

DETROIT (AP) -- Three of the nine people shot during a downtown fireworks display remained hospitalized Monday.

Lewis Nelson, 22, of Detroit, was upgraded Sunday from critical to serious but stable condition at Detroit Receiving Hospital, where all the victims of Wednesday's shootings were taken, spokeswoman Karen Wood said. Nelson was wounded in the heart.

Nelson's girlfriend, 18-year-old Shari Ridley of Westland, was in serious condition. Detroiter Donald Murphy, 47, was in fair condition, Wood said.

Laurie Foster, a 21-year-old University of Colorado student from Lakewood, Wash., and Detroit resident Aaron Edmondson, 17, were discharged Saturday. The other four victims previously were discharged.

Police have charged Daron T. Caldwell, of Detroit, with nine counts of assault with intent to murder, one count of using a gun in a felony and one count of possession of a firearm by a felon. He pleaded not guilty on Friday and was held on $100 million bond.

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http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw100223_20040628.htm

[CO Liberal]

7. Multiple shooting victim expected to live

Either the victim was damn lucky, or the asshole with the gun was a lousy shot. - Wayne

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Multiple shooting victim expected to live

By Lisa Ray
Texas City Sun

Published June 28, 2004

TEXAS CITY — A local man who was shot multiple times Sunday is expected to survive.

Texas City Police investigators are working with the Dickinson Police Department to track down the shooting suspect, according to Sgt. Ross Clements.

When officers arrived at the scene of the shooting around 3:40 a.m. Sunday in the 400 block of First Avenue North, they found a man lying in the street bleeding from multiple gunshot wounds, police said. The man was conscious and able to tell the officers what happened, Clements said.

Officers on the scene interviewed the victim who told them a man he knew only by a nickname opened fire on him from a brown colored car. The victim told police he thought the shooter lived in Dickinson. The victim was shot in the stomach, arm and leg.

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http://news.texascitysun.com/story.lasso?wcd=5862

[MrBenchley]

12. Two Men Shot On Wilkins Street (NY)

"Rochester Police are investigating the shooting death of a man late Sunday night.
Police were called to Wilkins Street just after 11:00 pm. When they arrived they found 24-year-old Thenry Calvin Junior dead from a gunshot wound to the head.
His friend, 23-year-old Oswald McPherson was shot in the shoulder. He was treated and released from the hospital. "

http://www.rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?ID=19197&rnews_story_type=18

[MrBenchley]

13. Landover man dies in weekend shooting (MD)

"A Landover man died after sustaining a gunshot wound to the head, police said.
Police found Kenneth Shepard Ragland, 20, of Landover in his car at 3 a.m. on June 26 near the 1600 block of FedEx Way in Landover suffering from a gunshot wound to his head. He was transported to a local hospital where he later died."

http://www.gazette.net/200426/princegeorgescty/updates/223689-1.html

[MrBenchley]

16. Shooting Leaves One Dead (AR)

"A Pine Bluff man was killed early Saturday morning after a shooting on the west side of the city.
Toyrie Brimmer, 25, of the 3200-block of West 17th Avenue, was pronounced dead of apparent multiple gunshot wounds at approximately 8:40 a.m. by a doctor at Jefferson Regional Medical Center.
The slaying was the fifth this year in Jefferson County and fourth inside the Pine Bluff city limits."

http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles/2004/06/26/news/news2.txt

[MrBenchley]

18. Woman Shot Outside Boarding Home Dies (FL)

"A woman shot just after midnight at a northwest Jacksonville home died at a hospital, and police are looking for the gunman.
Neighbors in the 1200 block of Hart Street called police after hearing several gunshots overnight. Officers arrived to find a woman shot and several bullet holes in a home where people were sleeping.
WJXT's Scott Johnson said that about a dozen shots were fired at what is a boarding house, and those residents are concerned.
"The man next door came to my door and told me the girl next door got shot," tenant Valerie Williams said. "I came outside to see what was going on and the girl was in the middle of the road right there, dead." "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/WCVB/20040628/lo_wjxt/2266529

[MrBenchley]

28. Teen Fatally Shot On Indy's East Side

"Police are trying to determine who fatally shot a 17-year-old while he was sitting in a car on the city's east side early Sunday, police said.
Thomas Odom was in a passenger seat when someone shot him in the back around 2 a.m. in the 3200 block of North Sutherland Avenue, police said. Authorities said the shot was fired through the car's back window. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040628/lo_wrtv/2265662

[MrBenchley]

30. 3, Including Toddler, Shot Dead in Ga.

"ATLANTA - A man, a woman and a toddler were shot to death in their home early Monday and two older children were wounded, police said.
Investigators were searching for a man who had a previous relationship with the dead woman, who is thought to be the mother of the children, police Lt. R.C. Robinson said.
The two injured children, a 10-year-old girl and a 6-year-old boy, were in stable condition at a hospital, Robinson said. Their injuries were described as minor. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040628/ap_on_re_us/multiple_shooting_1

[MrBenchley]

31. 2 Men Shot Outside Funeral Home (MO)

Sounds like SOMEBODY believes that gun nut rubbish about "not relying on the police."

"Police are investigating after two men were shot outside a funeral home Monday morning.
The shooting happened around 11:30 a.m. at 10th Street and Ann.
There is no word on the victims' conditions.
Police told KMBC that a funeral was being held at the time for Aaron Roundtree, who was shot to death last week at a gas station.
Earlier this year, Roundtree was charged, along with another man, in the Nov. 28, 2003, death of Michelle Wallace. She was found shot to death in her SUV in Gladstone. But charges against both men were dropped when a witness declined to testify. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040628/lo_kmbc/2266658

[MrBenchley]

32. Weekend Shooting Comes With Strange Twist (FL)

"A deadly shooting in Orange County over the weekend came with a strange twist.
Ronald Mock was shot to death early Sunday morning. Police said a woman shot and killed Mock in the driveway of his home on Sawyer Street.
Russell Johnson Jr. owns the home. Johnson's father said his son told Mock that he was not welcome in the home. He said Mock also came looking for money. Johnson had collected $2.5 million in a wrongful death lawsuit after his mother died in the Orange County Jail three years ago. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040628/lo_wesh/2266043

[MrBenchley]

33. Shooting accidental, authorities say

"Two Columbia teens face charges in connection with a shooting that left a 17-year-old with a bullet wound in her back, according to a news release from the Boone County Sheriff’s Department.
The June 13 shooting at 501-A Mauller Road initially was reported as committed by an intruder. Evidence at the scene, however, convinced detectives the shooting was accidental, Sgt. Tom Reddin said.
Warrants for Joe Henry Hawkins and Jasmine Amber Paige were issued Friday. Hawkins faces a second-degree assault charge, and Paige faces a felony charge for allegedly hindering prosecution.
The victim was making a bed in a lower room of the home when she was struck by the bullet. Hawkins was "mishandling" the weapon in the next room when it misfired, Reddin said."

http://www.showmenews.com/2004/Jun/20040628News005.asp

[MrBenchley]

34. Grenada County authorities investigate shooting death of man (MS)

"GRENADA, Miss. - Authorities have identified a shooting victim found this past weekend on Wildlife League Road as Harry Green, 36, Grenada County Sheriff Alton Strider said Monday.
Strider said Green, of Perry Estates in Grenada, had been shot twice in the chest. He said the body was found next to the victim's pickup truck.
Strider said Green, a cabinet maker, was last seen late Friday night. A resident of the area found the body around 7 a.m. Saturday."

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/thesunherald/9032126.htm

[MrBenchley]

35. Suspect arrested in fatal shooting at Manhattan trailer court (KS)

"MANHATTAN (AP) -- A traffic stop led to the arrest of a man wanted in connection with a fatal shooting at a Manhattan trailer park.
The Riley County Police Department said Saturday that Lamarques A. "Tez" Channel, 21, of Manhattan, was arrested Friday night on Interstate 70 near Leavenworth.
State troopers arrested Channel on a warrant charging him with first-degree murder in the death of Anthony Bingham, 19."

http://thekansan.com/stories/062804/fro_0628040013.shtml

[MrBenchley]

36. Officials Investigate Triple Shooting, Fire - Woman and Child Dead

"Virginia Beach police and firefighters are investigating a triple shooting and fire at a home in the 1100 block of Newcombe Drive.
It was just before 8:00am when officials received a 911 call from an individual saying someone had been shot inside the residence.
Arriving officers discovered both a woman and a child shot dead inside the home. A man was also found with a gunshot wound outside the home. He was transported to a nearby trauma center. "

http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1972980&nav=23iiOFBX

[MrBenchley]

37. Four charged in fatal shooting at apartment complex

"Four people were arrested by Rock Hill police Sunday in connection with a Saturday night shooting that left a 27-year-old Rock Hill man dead.
Charged with the murder of Arvell Derell Bagley, who lived at Paces River apartments off Celan-ese Road, are Des-mond Tonnellis Campbell, 22, of 2687 McDaniel Road, in Richburg; Christopher Alan Woody, 24, of 836 Westover, Danville, Va.; and Debrezio Mendes Campbell, 20, of 2799 McDaniel Road in Richburg.
Shaquavious Carmanece Robinson, 20, of 1275 Stoneypoint Drive, Apt. 201, Rock Hill, was charged with misprision of a felony, which means police think she had knowledge of the shooting but wasn't involved with it."

http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/3665446p-3268284c.html