For those who support the NRA - Of guns and labor

[goju]

Is the NRA a friend of American workers? Hardly
Saturday, September 04, 2004

By Paul F. Clark

"Working-class Americans (used here to refer to most hourly, and modestly paid salaried, employees) have a large stake in the outcome of the upcoming election. For that reason, Labor Day 2004 finds the American labor movement, the most substantial group representing the interests of these workers in the political process, mobilized in support of candidates they believe will fight for the interests of working people at the state and national levels.

Arrayed against them are numerous pro-business groups like the Chamber of Commerce, trade organizations and thousands of well-funded corporate political action committees that are equally committed to electing politicians who oppose labor's aims. So which of these many groups represents the greatest threat to the political interests of American workers?

It might surprise you to know that the answer is none of the above. In fact, there is significant evidence that the one organization that has historically done the most damage to labor politically, and that has the most potential to defeat pro-labor, pro-worker candidates in 2004, is the National Rifle Association."
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04248/373232.stm

Clearly the NRA is NOT about protecting individuals rights. I understand membership benefits, magazines and discounts, but keep in mind what you are supporting when you right that check.

[Jack_DeLeon]

1. Sounds like...

more democratic candidates should be pro-gun.

[anonymous44]

2. Definitely

[Paladin]

3. And More Jews Should Join The Aryan Brotherhood

n/t

[skippythwndrdog]

5. That's a good constructive comment.

In the mood to pick a fight?

[gatlingforme]

6. Yeahhhhhhhhh, sounds gooooooooood NOT, NICE POST

[Lefty48197]

49. Don't forget Blacks joining the KKK

this being the NRA dungeon, there is no place for logic.

[FeebMaster]

51. Hey it makes about as much sense as

the KKK and neo-nazis and the like supporting the rights of minorities to own guns.

[UpsideDownFlag]

7. wait...the biggest pro gun group in the US is anti-labor...so more dems

should be pro-gun??

[Jack_DeLeon]

12. Did you read the article?

It didnt say that the NRA was anti-labor.

It said that the NRA supports pro-gun candidates. However many of the pro-gun candidates are anti-labor.

Pro-labor people sometimes vote for candiates based on the issue of guns however and thus inadvertanly support anti-labor candidates.

If more pro-labor candiates were pro-gun then the NRA would support them, and pro-labor people who are pro-gun would vote for them rather than voting for pro-gun/anti-labor candidates.

Let me ask you a question, would you support a pro-labor pro-gun candidate or would you support an anti-labor anti-gun candiate?

[UpsideDownFlag]

19. i have the luxury of supporting dems who are progressive enough

to support labor and be anti-gun.

[Jack_DeLeon]

43. you still didnt answer my question

IMO there is nothing progressive about restricting someone's rights.

[Lefty48197]

50. Yeah right. The NRA isn't anti-labor, it's just that their candidates are

anti-labor. Don't you see the difference?

[UpsideDownFlag]

8. way to alienate our base.

[FeebMaster]

9. You're still assuming the base isn't pro-gun. (nt)

[UpsideDownFlag]

10. and rightly so.

it should be pretty obvious that the large majority of liberal dems support gun regulation to one extent or another.

[FeebMaster]

11. Oh come on.

When you put it that way it should be obvious that the majority of Republicans support gun regulation to one extent or another. That doesn't mean the majority of Democrats want more gun control or would be opposed to getting rid of some of the gun control we currently have.

[UpsideDownFlag]

13. "when i put it that way..." when i put it what way, exactly? and why

doesn't it mean that more dems than not want gun control of some form or another?

and by the way, if the NRA supports anti-labor politicians, it is tacitly anti-labor itself. they can't cherry pick.

[FeebMaster]

14. You said

it should be pretty obvious that the large majority of liberal dems support gun regulation to one extent or another.

No one has claimed otherwise. I'm saying that whole phrase is basically meaningless since you can just as easily say it should be pretty obvious that the large majority of Republicans support gun regulation to one extent or another. Like I said before, just because someone supports some of the laws we currently have doesn't mean they want more or wouldn't be opposed to seeing some repealed.


and by the way, if the NRA supports anti-labor politicians, it is tacityl anti-labor itself. they can't cherry pick.

I don't care about the NRA.

[UpsideDownFlag]

15. it's convenient for you not to care about the NRA.

it must make it easier not to notice that your arguments sound like theirs.

[FeebMaster]

16. Oh please.

The NRA has never argued for the things I argue for. Far from it.

[UpsideDownFlag]

18. the NRA has never argued against gun control???

are we talking about the same organization?

[FeebMaster]

20. Not the gun control I argue against.

They supported plenty of it though.

[UpsideDownFlag]

21. what do you argue against, specificially?

[FeebMaster]

22. Gun control. All of it. (nt)

[UpsideDownFlag]

23. ...and the NRA isn't for unrestricted access to guns?

maybe that's their official policy, but i'll bet that to a man, their board of directors would like to see free guns thrown from airplanes in parachuted crates.

[FeebMaster]

24. Not even close.

Bet anything you'd like, you're still wrong about the NRA and the people who run it.

[UpsideDownFlag]

25. yeah, im wrong about it.

that's why their list of enemies includes everyone under the sun...

http://www.nrablacklist.com/

[FeebMaster]

26. Yes you are wrong about it

but the list of enemies has nothing to do with anything.

[UpsideDownFlag]

27. it helps to prove how friggin crazy they are.

[FeebMaster]

28. If you say so.

But it has nothing to do with all of the gun control they've supported and continue to support.

[UpsideDownFlag]

29. if i say so? you don't think their enemies list

shows how completely bonkers they are?

[FeebMaster]

30. As I said at the beginning of this conversation.

I don't care about the NRA.

[UpsideDownFlag]

31. you're really against all forms of gun control?

so like, convicted murderers, etc., would be allowed to by guns under a Feeb administration?

[FeebMaster]

32. Yes I am.

so like, convicted murderers, etc., would be allowed to by guns under a Feeb administration?

Once they were let out of prison, yes.

[UpsideDownFlag]

33. ..people who were convicted for violent misuse of guns

would be allowed access to guns again. awesome.

[FeebMaster]

35. Again?

Oh to live in the fantasy land where convicted murderers released from prison can't get guns because it's against the law for them to do so.

[UpsideDownFlag]

36. it doesn't mean we have to encourage it legally, though...

[Columbia]

37. Does paid their debt to society mean anything to you?

[UpsideDownFlag]

39. yes, but think about this.

if someone rapes a women, and he serves out his jail term, he's "paid his debt". does that make women any more comfortable around him?

[Columbia]

40. If he is truly rehabilitated, they should feel comfortable

If not, why is he being let out of jail?

[UpsideDownFlag]

41. you'd be comfortable if a convicted rapist was around your wife?

even if he'd paid his debt to society, i dont think i would. and i wouldn't want a convicted murderer near guns, either.

[Columbia]

42. Well, that is your own belief

Comfortable or not, why would you release a person from jail if you don't trust them?

[Jack_DeLeon]

44. I agree with Columbia...

If someone isnt rehabilitated and doesnt deserve the restoration of all of his rights then they should still be left in jail.

Once someone is released from jail they should have all of thier rights restored.

[FeebMaster]

38. Who is encouraging it?

We're not going to put up billboards outside of prisons or anything telling former criminals to go buy a gun when they get out of prison.

[Columbia]

34. I concur

If they can't be trusted to legally buy and own a gun, what makes us think they won't get one illegally? If they can't be trusted to live in civil society, they should not be let out of prison. If they can be trusted, then all rights should be restored post-release, including RKBA.

[library_max]

45. All men are liars, therefore ketchup?

How does your conclusion follow from the premise? Why should more Democratic candidates be more pro-gun because the NRA is a bunch of anti-labor bastards?

[skippythwndrdog]

4. The best way to make this a non-issue

is for dems to support RKBA. The current platform is making great strides in that direction.

[enfield collector]

17. you got that right!

[library_max]

47. That wouldn't change a single one of the NRA's spots.

The best way to make this a non-issue is for working people to stop supporting the NRA, monetarily and otherwise.

[library_max]

46. Excellent post, thank you.

Props to you and props to Paul F. Clark.

[library_max]

48. Kick.