As Arab children are buried, anger toward Hamas grows

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As Arab children are buried, anger toward Hamas grows
Palestinians speak of disarming group as its tactics unleash thunder of Israeli jetsBy ORLY HALPERN

Wednesday, September 28, 2005 Page A18

Special to The Globe and Mail

JABALYA, GAZA STRIP -- Outside the hovels of the Jabalya refugee camp opposite the blood-speckled curb where 20 Palestinians died from an explosion during a gun-toting Hamas celebration parade last week, stood neat rows of white plastic chairs under a long green-coloured mourning tent -- all courtesy of Hamas.

But Fawzi Wadee, who just returned from the funeral of his 10-year-old son, was unimpressed with the gesture of support.

The unemployed 32-year-old father of four felt no gratitude toward Hamas, which called his son 'a martyr,' blaming the Israelis for last week's explosion. Mr. Wadee, in fact, pins the blame on Hamas for the death of his son, who succumbed yesterday morning to wounds in his head from three shards of metal.

"I'm angry at the Hamas," said Mr. Wadee, his voice low from lack of sleep due to long stays at the hospital and restless nights as low-flying Israeli fighter jets screamed across the Gaza Strip in a series of retaliatory assaults. "Before I supported them. Now I don't."

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[PantPlant]

1. About time

Any terrorist kills one of mine and I will make him pay...dearly.

[HawkerHurricane]

2. What's the difference?

A Palastinian walks on the bus with a vest full of explosives.
A Isreali flies a F-16 and drops a 1000lb bomb on a apartment complex.
What's the difference?
The Isreali can do it again.

[PantPlant]

3. Hamas is a terrorist organization

No political legitimacy.

[The Magistrate]

6. Unfortunately, Sir

The support and good wishes of a sizeable minority of the populace confers a certain political "heft", that renders the question of whether it is thought to be legitimate by you, or me, or some other person not directly involved, rather beside the point....

[PantPlant]

7. Not besides my point

Don't support terrorists in any conversation with me. EVER.

[Maple]

10. Hamas is well liked

as they are also a major charitable organization, and have saved many Palestinian lives.

Life is not black and white.

Bush's rhetoric about 'terrorists' is useless outside the Repub circles in the US

[The Magistrate]

13. Oh, My, Sir....

That was awfully ferocious of you. It will be difficult for me to concentrate tonight after such a blast as that....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."

[bemildred]

16. LOL. Nice to see you Sir.

Is your heart going pitter-pat now?

[The Magistrate]

18. Just Awfully, Sir

Fear of what might happen next just will not leave my mind....

"Getchyer scorecards here! Scorecards! Can't tell the players without a scorecard!"

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19. followed by "Cold beer, cold beer"

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15. A few weeks ago there was a thread on I/P

on a Norwegian polling group and it seemed to show about 30-40 % support for Hamas depending on the question. It was hard to tell how much support for Hamas was coming because they were seen as not corrupt versus their tactics being seen as resulting in gaining Gaza. It'll be interesting seeing if the next elections mirror the results of the last local elections (about 35% support for Hamas) or if this parent and his view will start becoming more common /changing some thinking about Hamas, at least the militant side of it. It's next to impossible to get a beat on it and what the voters will do a few months from now.

[bemildred]

17. The result of the elections will be the interesting bit.

I believe myself that a good deal of the pother we
are watching now is done in the hope of influencing
the outcome one way or another.

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4. The Israeli military is going after terrorists in the apt. complex

The person with the vest full of explosives is purposely going after innocent civilians.

Big diff

[Maple]

12. Innocent civilians

are easily killed by planes dropping bombs.

And always have been.

[barb162]

20. Around a week ago, Lithos very kindly posted some

sections of the Geneva Convention rules about engagements relating to militants or military using civilian property. It was in regard to the Hamas rocket attacks that hit an Israeli school, then Israel targetted a Palestinian school it believed was used by militants. Luckily no one was killed on either side in regard to the school attacks. As I recall the GC citation, it was not against GC to target civilian properties being used by militants, subject to some specific restraints. If I could remember the thread I would post it.

Yes innocent people can get killed by any variety of armaments

[HawkerHurricane]

24. The difference being...

the Isrealis kill more innocent civilians (while getting thier legitimate target).

When the USAF did it in Iraq, we complained. When IAF does it in the West Bank, we make excuses.

Hamas barbarism does not excuse Isreali barbarism.

[number6]

25. terrorism is a tactic, everybody uses it.

you are correct.

[barb162]

5. welcome to DU

[PantPlant]

8. Thanks

Looooonnng time lurker

[barb162]

9. Oh yeah? How long?

Come on, you can tell Auntie B.

[PantPlant]

11. Oh man

I guess at least 3 or 4 years now.

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21. Then you must be a person of great restraint

I think the first time I looked at DU I signed up as I saw something I just had to "talk" about ... a political campaign

[The Magistrate]

22. You Fascinate Me, Sir, Indeed You Do

Since '01 you have been lurking here, and yet, tonight, for the very first time, you are moved to make some comment on an obscure current events notice in the Israel v. Palestine forum. Whatever possessed you, Sir?

[The Traveler]

14. Sanity emerges

when people realize that Death Merchants are essentially all the same, regardless of nationality, race, or religion.

[Andromeda]

23. It suddenly became more personel...

to Mr. Wadee. I'm glad he woke up but how many will follow?