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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:18 AM Original message |
US Jews support Israel, don't speak up |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. So basically... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. read it again. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. hey, I am Jewish, and I support Israel |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Hey..guess what...I am a Jew too! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. what you refer to appliesmostly to the extreme right and the extreme left |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
54. Complete agreement ---- |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
61. There is no anti-Semitic "extreme left" in this country. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 06:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Yes...and it is most disgusting in the left. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. If mindless "our arbitrarily defined ethnic group is better than theirs" |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. do you retract your original statement? |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. No, I don't. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Good to hear. |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. When comments like these are posted about the left on leftist sites, |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 03:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. try again |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. "..go to a Rethug stronghold or a leftist site and say you support Israel" |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. vocab... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. You see DU as only "often" liberal??? What is is the rest of the time, RW? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. reading... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 09:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. When new definitions for words are created it causes difficulties. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. nuance |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I'll quote here what was offensive in your statements: |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. misrepresented AGAIN! |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. delete |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. ... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. Fascinating. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Umm.... |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
58. I don't know Luntz, but it does appear he is biased... |
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6th Borough (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. ...Well, he is an RNC consultant. /EOM |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 02:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
84. Those RNC consultants are damned good, aren't they? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I read that thing four times... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. the understanding. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Point taken |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Sharon's party say the barrier's going to form a border between the states |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 01:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
69. Thank you for obsessing. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Deleted message |
rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. So it was Israel that cooked the intelligence |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Israel didn't force the US/UK to invade iraq |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I didn't see the deleted comment. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:09 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. your assumption was correct |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. Again - complete agreement-- |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
24. thanks |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. Support the wall |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. There's nothing in that article about being branded traitors |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. no there isn't. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 06:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
67. baseless fears? |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
68. Maybe its because they are sick of confronting |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
71. Thanks for the reassuring words. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. keep in mind that luntz is a neocon repuke pollester |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Perhaps. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. the king of push polls frank luntz |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. have all the problems you want. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. well that sure isn't my experience |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. experiences |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. no, but when I was growing up in the midwest I experienced it firsthand |
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dutchdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
32. Gödel, Escher, Bach |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
8. Anything that Frank Luntz is connected with....... |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
22. Would you speak about the 30% of Jewish people, who by |
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Chi-Town Exile (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Traditionally, those 30% used to be "Liberals" |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Support for Israel and being a Democrat are not mutually |
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Chi-Town Exile (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. That's your opinion ... but from where I'm sitting |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Your comments - make me proud to be a Volunteer at |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
87. I'm not going to flame because I think you're correct. I know |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
56. I beg to disagree |
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dutchdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. Some comments at the Jerusalem Post website on article. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. your point? |
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dutchdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Not my point |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. and? |
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dutchdemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Why not |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:48 AM Original message |
dupe |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 07:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. see post #29! |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
33. Jews and the Christian right: Is the honeymoon over? |
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alfred e bush (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. i dont think so... |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. Focus on the Family hints Jews should "make nice" with them "Or Else" |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:38 AM Response to Reply #52 |
90. I think Foxman is right. EOM |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
62. Sorta right for kinda the wrong reasons and analysis |
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Chi-Town Exile (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Great article. Thanks for the link. nt |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
37. 20% are right. |
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Chi-Town Exile (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
39. I think this sums it up pretty well... |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I am not an anti-semite and I have no arab/palestinian sympathies |
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Chi-Town Exile (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. You jump to some ridiculous conclusions. |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I don't believe that Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Joe Lieberman, |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. Do some digging |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. It is not to make Israel safer - it is for OIL - Only for oil. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
88. If there is (another) awful war in the Middle East it will be for |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. You've left out a third category... |
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Chi-Town Exile (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Excellent excellent point. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I've got 33 people on my ignore list. How many are on yours? n/t |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I apologize on behalf of other progressives |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
89. You're not alone. It's kept many of us up all night, really |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Funny, it appears to me that the opposite is true. The anti-semitic crowd |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
81. Please provide some examples, in which someone "parroted" anti-semitism |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Wordie |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:01 AM Response to Reply #83 |
92. Whoa, Lithos, we are talking about very different things. |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. See your inbox |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
42. This is a biased poll..... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
85. You don't know if the poll is biased unless you have seen it |
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Al-CIAda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. Oh goodie, more AIPAC spy/PNAC propaganda! -nt |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
64. Yeah, okay, that clears things up. |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. That way for a lot of things |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 04:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
91. Oh baloney. I don't think that's what's going on here. I do |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I did not mean to criticize Behind the Aegis or any other poster |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. I don't think the issue is "blind support". That obviously is |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
109. I am not going to argue with that. |
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Colorado Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. I believe in a full discussion, obviously. But by "indigenous |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. Please elucidate |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Please keep to what I actually said |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Please keep your critique (#93) of my append (#65) |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. You said that early indoctrination works in many circumstances |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. And we put different value judgments on early indoctrination |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. The phrase I used was "early indoctrination into the typical propaganda" |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. An opinion and a value judgment. (we have reached impasse-NT) |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 03:13 AM Response to Original message |
86. I can't find the poll |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. I haven't been able to find it. |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I checked the Israel Project, a few other sites and some papers |
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