An Israeli border police officer is evacuated by medics

[Jim Sagle]

http://www.krtdirect.com/special/preview.htm?doc=KRT%2Fkrtphotoslive%2Fdocs%2F097%2F251

MIDEAST KRT PHOTOGRAPH BY DAVID Z. FURST/FLASH 90 (ISRAEL OUT) (September 9) JERUSALEM, ISRAEL -- An Israeli border police officer is evacuated by medics after a Palestinian suicide bomb exploded in a Jerusalem cafe on Tuesday, September 9, 2003. (mvw) 2003

Ahh yess...the face of apartheid.

[StandWatie]

1. do you know anything about the border police?

The three of us walked until we got to a dirt road that joins Batir, the villages west of it and the settlements that surround it. We met Nader 'Awina on the way. He was also on his way to work. We walked about 2.5 kilometers and joined other laborers who had left for work before us. We all continued along the dirt road until we got to the edge of Wadi Batir. That area has lots of rocks and boulders, behind which there are roads leading to the settlements. There were fifteen of us. We wanted to cross the rocky section. As I was climbing over one of the boulders, I saw five Border Police officers about five meters from me.

One of the them reached out to grab me. I lost my balance and fell. My right leg hurt a lot from the fall. The officer grabbed me by the shoulders and two other officers stood me onto my feet. Then they pushed me back onto the ground and stomped on my back for two minutes. They left me on the ground and went over to the three other officers, who had kept their guns pointing at the laborers. The three officers took the workers' ID cards.

I can describe the two officers who stomped on my back. One was black, thin, and about thirty-two years old. The other one was around thirty, blond, and blue-eyed. They told me to get up and join the other workers, who were sitting among the rocks. I sat down alongside them. The five officers continued to aim their guns at us, and they didn't let us talk to each other. I still felt the pain in my back and right leg and could not move. I sat there in silence.

About an hour later, the black soldier ordered my cousin Ahmad, Nader 'Awina, and me to get up. We couldn't argue with the officer or ask him why he told us to get up. We said nothing and, one after other, went over to him. He was standing about five meters from us. He told us to follow him. We walked around fifteen meters away from the others. Another officer, who was tall, thin, light-skinned, and had blond hair, joined the officer who had taken us. The two of them started kicking and beating us with their guns. They didn't say anything to us. The black officer hit me on the back and knees with the butt of his gun for about three minutes. Then he went over to Nader and hit him for about four minutes, until Nader fell to the floor. Then he went over to the other officer, who was beating my cousin. The two of them beat my cousin for about fifteen minutes. Then the black officer came back to me. He hit me on the back with the butt of his gun and kicked me around the knees. This all lasted for around twenty-five minutes. The three of us ended up lying on the ground.


http://www.btselem.org/English/Testimonies/030622_Beating_and_Abuse_at_Wadi_Batir.asp

Yeah, face of apartheid is right.

[tinnypriv]

2. Dude, this screed was *nearly* off the page

:D

[StandWatie]

3. actually..

One of the Palestinians was named Nader, I wanted to see if someone couldn't manage to come to the defense of the border police and cheer beating him on based on that alone ;-)

[tinnypriv]

4. Stop talking non-Greenie, you'll bring nuthin' boy back!

;-) :evilgrin:

[Jim Sagle]

5. I'm baccccccccccccccck!

Try to educamate you kuh-nuckleheads, and this is the thanks I get?

[StandWatie]

6. what is it you think you know?

There is a damn good reason no competant Zionist historian ever tries to attack Benny Morris, Noam Chomsky, or Finkelstein on their works (Finkelstein is an exception because he does biblical archeology and he has his critics there but no one goes after his contemporary history). It's because you can't and that story doesn't add up to some simple little tale of mean, Jew-Hating, Arabs vs. a little nation of refugees who were just begging and pleading "Can't we all just get along".

[Resistance]

7. Benny who?

Finkelstein? Chomsky?

Of course a bunch of nobodies would make your reference list. </sarcasm>

[StandWatie]

8. to be fair..

There was Dr. Noah Lucas who offered this critique of Fateful Triangle:

"Good luck to the reader who may succeed in refuting any of the facts or assumptions or conclusions presented by Chomsky. It will not be accomplished by anyone who approaches the matter as an issue of propaganda or public relations for Israel, but only by the student who matches research with research."

[Resistance]

9. that sounds accurate to me

"... if people like Ted Koppel were smarter, they would allow more dissidents on, because they would just make fools of themselves. Either you would sell out and repeat what everybody else is saying because it's the only way to sound sane, or else you would say what you think, in which case you'd sound like a madman, even if what you think is absolutely true and easily supportable. The reason is that the whole system so completely excludes it. It'll sound crazy, rightly, from their point of view" - Noam Chomsky

[Jim Sagle]

10. "Im not really wacko, the system just makes me look that way."

Ya gotta love it.

[Resistance]

11. LOL

yep

That Chomsky's a real idiot eh? Why do so many people pay any attention to this guy?

[Jim Sagle]

12. I guess there's a lotta wackos out there.

[Resistance]

13. you're a real hoot Sagle

seriously, I am laughing my ass off right now!

You can't script it any better than your posts. LOL

[Jim Sagle]

14. Hey, when you're laughing you're not spewing.

And that's a GOOD thing.

[Resistance]

15. it's usually one or the other

when I read your posts.

:evilgrin:

but thanks for the tip.

btw, I believe the proper slang is "edumacate" - not "educamate"

[Jim Sagle]

16. My bad.

[Violet_Crumble]

17. I want you to answer a question...

I know you can only manage two or less words, so I'll try to make it simple. Why don't you understand the meaning of the term 'apartheid'? A photo of someone being led away from the scene of a suicide-bombing is apartheid, while Israeli-only settlements and bypass roads in the Occupied Territories isn't?

Violet...

[Jim Sagle]

18. You're the one who doesn't understand.

Israel is a multi-ethnic, multi-racial society - and everybody goddamn well knows it. (The photo above was just one illustration of it - not that anyone who responded had either the wit, the fairness or the basic human decency to admit it.)

Fundamentally, discrimination against Palestinians in Israel is based not on racism but on Israelis' well-based concern for their own physical safety - and everybody goddamn well knows that too.

And as for "one or two words", that's more than enough to summarize the lies, the half-truths, the truncated history, the disinformation, the recycled old wives tales, and the all-around bilge that comprises 90% of what appears in this folder. I respond at length when there is substance to explore - and sometimes even when there isn't.

[Resistance]

19. Hey Jim!

Hey buddy, while you're down here I have a question for you -- what mixes better with Mountain Dew, Jim Beam or Jack Daniels?

Thanks, look forward to your reply.

[Jim Sagle]

20. Whatever you're guzzling now seems to be working just fine.

:toast: