Warren Buffett to acquire Israeli firm for $4 billion

[ShalachEtAmi]

By Guy Rolnik, Haaretz Correspondent

In what is perceived to be a vote of confidence in the Israeli economy by one of the world's wealthiest entrepeneurs, billionaire investor Warren Buffett is acquiring 80 percent in Iscar Metalworking Companies, a property of the Wertheimer family, for $4 billion in cash. The move represents Buffett's first major acquisition of a company outside of the United States.

The deal, which illustrates Iscar's net worth to be near $5 billion, puts Stef and Eitan Wertheimer at the top of the list of Israel's richest families.

Iscar is a private company which manufactures advanced knives and cutting tools and is internationally renowned for its line of milling and turning products. The company's factories are situated in the Tefen industrial zone in the Galilee which was founded by Stef Wertheimer. Iscar also owns and operates factories in countries around the world.



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/712876.html

[ShalachEtAmi]

1. What boycott?

What Pariah state?

[Jim Sagle]

2. Fuckin' A.

:beer:

[Violet_Crumble]

50. As far as I'm aware there are no international sanctions on Israel...

And yr the only person who's trying to indicate that there is...

Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

77. Well there have been attempts..

eg: AUT..but The Jewish lobby was tooo powerful...ask Sue....





:bounce:

[barb162]

101. That's some very serious cash

Certainly doesn't seem like a pariah state to me either

[Tom Joad]

3. Very wealthy people have no problem with apartheid states.

nothing new here.

[Jim Sagle]

4. False and malicious use of the word "apartheid."

[Name removed]

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[ShalachEtAmi]

7. Pelsar , Israel IS ` THE JEWISH STATE..

Always has been,always will be...Its our eternal refuge ...its Israel`s reason for being...

[Violet_Crumble]

12. Pot, kettle, black...

I always find it amusing when someone who's so quick to use imprecise terms themselves is comforted like that...

btw, the use of the term apartheid in reference to Israel has zero to do with Antisemitism...

Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

20. Zero?

Thats opinion?


A lot of Jews may disagree with that statement, but what do WE know from anti semitism? We seem to be unable to differentiate it from anti Zionism.

Thats why we always need other people to interpret for us what is and what is not the real thing.

[Violet_Crumble]

32. Zero

That's fact...

And it's got fuck all to do with whether someone's Jewish or not...

Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

35. Foul language aside, weather somethings anti semitic or not..

Has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with if someones Jewish or not...

[Violet_Crumble]

43. Not reading my post properly aside....

Sorry, but yr completely wrong on this one. Some folk seem to obsess way too much on whether someone is Jewish or not. Yr claiming anyone can define something they disagree with as Antisemitic solely coz they're Jewish, therefore according to you using the term apartheid in reference to Israel's policies towards the Palestinians is Antisemitic, yet you fail to give any sort of explanation as to why except some pretence that you speak on behalf of most Jews. Here's a bit of a shock for you, but criticism of the Israeli govt isn't Antisemitic, coz if you think apartheid is Antisemitic, then it logically follows that you think criticism of the Israeli govts policies are also Antisemitic. You don't get to define what is and isn't Antisemitism, and it doesn't matter whether yr Jewish or not...

Violet...

[Tom Joad]

24. The flag is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Whether attempting to hide policies of imperialism and greed are being justified by the US administration because "we must not offend our brave soldiers in uniform" and that what
Bush & Co does = United States and its ordinary citizens and even the Christian faith. That thinking makes dissent from the war = Christian apostate, and a traitor- a "self-hating" U.S. citizen)

What i am hearing from you is this:
Israeli policies = The Jewish people (not even just limited to Israeli Jews but all Jews), and even a whole religious tradition. Not my view but that is what i hear coming from you here.

And this is where you and the anti-Jewish bigots agree. Israel = Jewish people. What you don't agree with the bigots on is that you feel that Israeli policies are fully justified, only in self-defense and necessary(and I don't doubt your sincerity).

My view is that Israel is merely a State that is causing a great injustice towards another people. The United States must end its support for this injustice. We were finally able to end US support for the Indonesian occupation of East Timor. Ending US support for the colonization of Palestinian land and apartheid regime of Israel will come. Maybe sooner than either of us expect. Maybe beyond our lifetimes. Make no mistake though, it will come.

[ShalachEtAmi]

27. Been to any Jewish (not Israeli) day school,Jewish community Centre,

Jewish food bank,Synogogue...etc etc..?

In NYC,Toronto,Johannesburg,Sydney,Dublin,Istanbul,London,Paris,Budapest,Argintina,Rio,Mexico city,Los Angeles,Montreal,Zurich,Cape Town,Melbourne,Boston,,Malta..
Etc Etc Etc...

If you ever been you always see 2 flags flying outside..and one of them is Blue and White and has a Magendavid in the middle...and the kids inside usually sing 2 National anthems...



...and these places are not Israeli Embassy`s....

[Violet_Crumble]

52. Try reading more than just the post title you reply to..

Seriously, try addressing what Tom said in the body of his post...

Violet...

[Tom Joad]

22. What is going on in Palestine makes Ol' South Africa look like a

Sunday Picnic.
On March 10, 2006, President Willy Madisha of the Congress of South African Trade Unions, called apartheid a "Sunday picnic" compared to what happens to Palestinians. He asked, "Why are all the things that were done to apartheid South Africa (divestment and exclusion) not being done to Israel?"

So yes, in a sense you are right, to compare South Africa to Israel is unfair, the former White misRulers exercised a bit more restraint compared to Israeli misRulers.

Israel was one of White-ruled South Africa's closest military allies. It did what the United States could not do, provide military aid to the racist State unimpeded by domestic opinion. (A fine example of the uses of Israel as a client state of the USA). Still, the burden of world opinion was too much for the old south african system, and it faded away.

See, Aparthied ain't forever. Palestine will be free. Get used to it.

[Jim Sagle]

23. It's not apartheid, Tom. Not even if you say so a million times over.

[Tom Joad]

25. A well-reasoned argument, Jim

That is what i am missing here.

[Jim Sagle]

29. Glad to lend a hand.

[pelsar]

26. hopefully palestine will be free...

in that i agree with you... the disagreement is that i'm not religious and dont believe in miracles nor magic as you seeem to....(see the "magic of the 67 green line: it will give you peace, as long as you believe hard enough)

the palestenains will be "free" when they realize that fighting us israelis is not to their benefits...as history shows. They will be free when they stop teaching their kids to kill us jews/israelis (they dont differentiate....), they will be free when they stop listening to others who tell them its ok to kill and be killed.....

then and only then will they find a free palestine...in the meantime, they'll just keep on suffering and believing the lies their told.

and btw, you should try using the dictionary version of apartheid....instead of making up definitions in pathetic attempts to demonize israel and its citizens

[ShalachEtAmi]

28. OTT nonsense..

Comparing Israel/Jews to Nazis is a no no ...so the new catchword is Apartheid...

In south Africa the liberators never resorted to suicide bombings,never killed teens in discos,and most of the time gave notice of a target about to explode.Targets were usually commercial and most of the time devoid of civilians.

Bombings although used were not a common occurrence....

My guess is you never saw much of Apartheid South Africa..and those of us who did find your comparisons ludicrous and insulting to the just liberators of Cape Town ....

[ShalachEtAmi]

30. In Apartheid South Africa they never checked your bags at the door..

They never made you go through a metal detector to get into a mall or a club or a soup kitchen or a kindergarten.Schools never had security guards afraid someone was going to blow up the kids...



And if rockets and shelling would of come over the border from Mozambique or Zimbabwe or Lesotho ..you could of been damn sure the Apartheid regime would of flattened those areas in total disregard for any civilians in any of those areas.



Sorry theres no comparasin.....

[Violet_Crumble]

34. Desmond Tutu lived through Apartheid...

Apartheid in the Holy Land

In our struggle against apartheid, the great supporters were Jewish people. They almost instinctively had to be on the side of the disenfranchised, of the voiceless ones, fighting injustice, oppression and evil. I have continued to feel strongly with the Jews. I am patron of a Holocaust centre in South Africa. I believe Israel has a right to secure borders.
What is not so understandable, not justified, is what it did to another people to guarantee its existence. I've been very deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about.

On one of my visits to the Holy Land I drove to a church with the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem. I could hear tears in his voice as he pointed to Jewish settlements. I thought of the desire of Israelis for security. But what of the Palestinians who have lost their land and homes?

I have experienced Palestinians pointing to what were their homes, now occupied by Jewish Israelis. I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek (the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre) in Jerusalem. He pointed and said: "Our home was over there. We were driven out of our home; it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."

My heart aches. I say why are our memories so short. Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon? Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions? Have they forgotten that God cares deeply about the downtrodden?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/comment/0,10551,706911,00.html

[ShalachEtAmi]

36. 2002 ? That article gets trotted out every time this theory is elaborated

..to us...

Its too bad in 2002 he insulted the true heros of the anti apartheid movement by in effect cheapening their great achievements that something so repugnant as Apartheid could have any kind of moral equivilency to a struggle that could of been settled peacefully by a people with a failed leadership who choose to continue until perhaps some day he could have it all ,Tel Aviv and Haifa,and if not ,at least he could bide his time and transfer enough of his peoples money (billions)to his wife`s European bank account.

That the methods of liberation by the GREAT freedom fighters of Azania and Egoli could ever be compared to the method of choice in Palestine ie : suicide bombing of innocent civilians and teens and kids is truly repugnant and it would be interesting to ask the good Bishop if he`s had any reflection on these 4yr old remarks...
:

[Violet_Crumble]

44. Who's 'us'?

Methinks Desmond Tutu knows a whole lot more about apartheid than you do :)

Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

73. maybe maybe not...nt

[Violet_Crumble]

79. You didn't answer the question. Who's 'us'?

And there's no maybe when it comes to the painfully obvious fact that Desmond Tutu knows a whole lot more about apartheid than you appear to...

Violet...

[Englander]

88. From the DU archives;

The Desmond Tutu article in another thread;

Don't Fall in Love With Abbas Yet
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=84967

[ShalachEtAmi]

38. Also from 2002...

``Archbishop Tutu noted that similarities between South African apartheid and Israel's policies were not exact, acknowledging that Israel "is certainly more democratic than most of its neighbours". `



And the Simon Weisenthalls refutation of the Bishops article...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2058371.stm

[Violet_Crumble]

45. I didn't realise Simon Weisenthall had lived through Apartheid...

After all, in an earlier post you were trying to negate what another poster was saying by telling them you doubted they'd ever been to SA and experienced Apartheid. Therefore, it's very clear that Desmond Tutu has it all over Weisenthall when it comes to recognising apartheid when he sees it...

Violet...

[Englander]

85. All of that is a red herring.

Do you want to address what was actually said? Because the false version of history presented
doesn't actually address the points that were raised, but some different points. All the talking
points/ad hominems/strawmen are refuting a completely different argument.

[barb162]

103. Aren't Palestinians practicing apartheid against Christians?

check some of the articles I have posted

[Englander]

105. No.

And no, weren't the sources of those claims from WND? Or was that another thread I'm thinking of,
wasn't one of the threads that made these claims based on an article from WorldNetDaily?

[pelsar]

107. palestenians...Aparthied...

the definition of apartheid includes:

The condition of being separated from others;


that would easily include the muslims and the christians in the palestenian society.

The Christians in the West Bank are concentrated in two enclaves near Jerusalem: the Ramallah district with approximately 16,000 Christians and the Bethlehem district, including the small towns of Beit Jala and Beit Sahur, with about 9,000 Christian

APARTHEID!! (according to the dictionary)

hey in fact i believe that includes France, England, Denmark, Austrailia, New Zealand etc

[barb162]

104. Incorrect cliches ,Tom

BTW, I thought Palestinians just voted... for Hamas. Does Israel have a law against mixed marriages as S. Africa did.

[Englander]

106. There used to be such a law.

I don't know what the latest is on this law, but, yes, there was a law preventing Palestinians
married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship or residency.

'UN blasts Israeli marriage law

A United Nations panel has urged Israel to repeal a new law forcing Palestinians who marry Israelis to live separate lives.

The Geneva-based Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination unanimously approved a resolution saying the Israeli law violated an international human rights treaty.

However the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, accused the panel of bias.

On 31 July the Israeli parliament approved a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship or residency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3152651.stm

[Name removed]

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[Englander]

5. Indeed, many companies invested in apartheid-era SA.

'Apartheid victims and state clash
Christelle Terreblanche
January 22 2006 at 07:29AM

As the government prepares to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC), two pending clashes show just how wide the gulf between civil society and the government over the commission's legacy has grown.

On Tuesday Brigitte Mabandla, the justice minister, will square off against two sets of lawyers representing thousands of apartheid victims at an appeal hearing in New York over their 2002 compensation claims brought against foreign multinational companies and banks they accuse of aiding and abetting apartheid violence. The government is opposing the claims, saying the case interferes with South Africa's sovereignty and will impede foreign investment.

>snip

The US government also opposes the claims, along with the defending corporations, which include in their ranks Barclays, BP, Credit Suisse, Hewlett-Packard, Coca-Cola, DaimlerChrysler, Ford and Shell Oil.

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=14&click_id=6&art_id=vn20060122113757604C708090

[ShalachEtAmi]

8. umm ..wrong forum,wrong thread..

This is the Israel/Palestinian forum..You made a mistake?

[Jim Sagle]

9. Just an honest slip. Could happen to anyone.

[Coastie for Truth]

10. OCD? NT

[Jim Sagle]

11. Maybe some kinda phobia?

[Violet_Crumble]

13. Other countries get talked about in here...

In fact, I'm surprised you haven't pointed out the same thing to Coastie for his repeated mentions of any other country but Israel in multiple threads ;)

Violet...

[Coastie for Truth]

14. Not other countries - but other causes

like mineral exploitation being the cause of the Palestinian peoples' plight.

[Violet_Crumble]

15. And how is mentioning SA Apartheid any different?

n/t

[Coastie for Truth]

16. See Engdahl's "A Century of War..." NT

[Violet_Crumble]

17. Saw it. It says there is no difference...

n/t

[Jim Sagle]

19. If it says that, it lies.

[Violet_Crumble]

33. If it says what?

n/t

[Jim Sagle]

39. If it says there's no difference between apartheid and

Israeli self-defense.

[Violet_Crumble]

42. It doesn't say there isn't...

And, Jimbo. What you call 'self-defence' includes the murder of Palestinian civilians by settlers, so change the record for a change...

Violet...

[Jim Sagle]

47. I would never call settler violence self-defense. Police your own record.

[Violet_Crumble]

48. Sure, Jimbo...

You've never once said anything against it...

Violet..

[Jim Sagle]

53. And you know that how? By scouring my every post?

[Violet_Crumble]

54. Uh, by reading threads in the forum...

Isn't that what most folk do?

Violet...

[Jim Sagle]

56. Every thread in I/P? Undue diligence.

[Violet_Crumble]

58. Not undue diligence. Just a reasonably slow-moving forum...

:)

[Jim Sagle]

61. Good news.

[Violet_Crumble]

62. What's good news?

n/t

[Jim Sagle]

65. The news that it's a slow-moving forum. It means most DUers

ain't got time for the jibber jabber.

[Violet_Crumble]

66. They probably get sick of the idiot trolls...

Not mentioning any names of course :)

[Jim Sagle]

67. As a foreigner who hardly ever posts anywhere else,

you're not in position to mention any names.

[Violet_Crumble]

70. Wrong. Try taking a look outside this forum, Jimbo...

That'd involve getting out from under that little bridge nasty little trolls hang out under, so it might be a big ask :)

[ShalachEtAmi]

74. Why is a proud Jewish patriot a `troll`? a Zionist>? nt

[Violet_Crumble]

78. Huh?

Want to explain that particular comment? Who cares if someone's Jewish or not? Yr the first person who's mentioned this...

Violet...

[Coastie for Truth]

40. She's must be a fast reader

It's is a long, dull, boring history book of petroleum politics from the first oil powered combatant ship to today.

Heavy emphasis on the "big power petroleum politics" of carving up the Ottoman Empire.

Only mention of apartheid in Engdahl is with reference to SA's implementation of Fischer-Tropsch synthesis of liquid fuels from gasoline.

[Violet_Crumble]

41. I am a fast reader...

...and I have read it before. Of course it had zero to do with yr ridiculous attempts to make out that it's okay for anyone you agree with to talk about other countries but Israel in this forum, but not anyone else...

Violet...

[Name removed]

68. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Violet_Crumble]

80. Gosh, maybe she'd read the book already &knew it had zip to do...

..with Coastie's claim..

Violet...

[Violet_Crumble]

18. So, which forum should you mentioning the Congo have gone in?

ShalachEtAmi (133 posts) Tue May-02-06 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. `The U.N. Sex Scandal `
`LAST MONTH A CLASSIFIED UNITED Nations report prompted Secretary General Kofi Annan to admit that U.N. peacekeepers and staff have sexually abused or exploited war refugees in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x124391#124440

Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

21. That post had everything to do with the `theme` of that thread...

`Apartheid and Israel` have absolutely nothing to do with each other.....nuff said...

[Violet_Crumble]

31. In other words: 'I can do it, but no-one else can'..

Apartheid and Israel have something to do with each other, so learn to cope with it...


Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

37. yep `Apartheid` is becoming the new `acceptable` catchword...

..of choice to be used by `progressives` when describing The Jewish State.

[Violet_Crumble]

46. Then Israel should rethink it's policy in the West Bank...

..and that way there'd be nothing to bring on comparisons to apartheid....

btw, putting dit-dits round the word 'progressives' is not a good idea at DU as accusing other posters of not being progressive is against the rules :)

Violet...

[pelsar]

49. try defining apartheid...

or perhaps explain to me what exact genetic aspect of the palestenians were looking at?....darker? lighter? smaller? funny looking...i dont seem to recall any orders about "how to define a palestenian".....

or is there now a new definition of apartheid....one thats used so that we demonized israel....and is this new definition used elsewhere? or is just limited to israel?

[Violet_Crumble]

51. I already have in the past...

..in replies to yr posts. I've very clearly stated why Israel's policies towards the Palestinians in the West Bank is reminiscent of SA Apartheid. I suggest you go back through the archives and reread what I've said, coz I'm not going to waste my time repeating it for you...

Violet....

[Jim Sagle]

55. You reminisce a lot.

[pelsar]

59. i recall....

reminiscent of SA Apartheid. ...

its a word game....saying, well its not really apartheid, but it "looks like, smells like it, so we can call it that, even though its not really by strick definition.

its a way of "equating israel to apartheid but keeping one hands clean....similar to the anti semite who claim "anti zionism"

[Violet_Crumble]

60. No, it's not a word game...

It's pointing out what should be obvious to all. Are you honestly saying that you can't see any similarities at all???

on edit: Yr comment 'saying, well its not really apartheid, but it "looks like, smells like it, so we can call it that, even though its not really by strick definition.'

pelsar, as I've said quite a few times when this issue comes up that there isn't anything similar to apartheid in Israel itself, how do you manage to translate that into me saying 'we can call it that'? The reason I point out that Israel's policies in the West Bank is reminiscent of Apartheid is coz I know that the two situations have marked differences, but there are some startling similarities as well...


Violet...

[pelsar]

63. aparteheid is pure racism

.....the west banks problem is security.....nothing to do with racism.

using the word apartheid, no matter how you package it, is calling israel a racist country, something which it isnt, but people love to call it that.
and us israelis find those people who use such words are hardly interested in our view of things, which is essential if one is interested in understanding the conflict. Those who use such words, simply dont.



there are also similarities between the IDF and the Nazis and the US army..they all wear uniforms, have a officers, orders etc

[Coastie for Truth]

69. Query

How does differ from other forms of racism and from apartheid.

[Violet_Crumble]

71. Apartheid is segregation...

Capital A apartheid refers specifically to South Africa. With a little a it refers to systems of segregation, including racial, economic, and social separation. The main thing about apartheid is that it is a system of segregation, and racial reasons are not the only reasons for the segregation....

Even a crappy online dictionary will explain that in it's definitions:

a·part·heid (-pärtht, -ht)
n.
1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apartheid


As for Israelis views of things - when an Israeli constantly fixates only on how things will affect Israelis and doesn't do the same when it comes to Palestinians, I'm not the slightest bit interested in what they have to say...

btw, knowing yr dislike of using incorrect terms, there's a really incorrect attempt being made in a newer thread to equate the Right of Return with genocide. You might want to check it out and express yr displeasure? ;)

Violet...

[pelsar]

90. i stand corrected....

i also saw apartheid as having a more narrow definition involving race. Acccording to the dictionary it involves segregation of groups.....in that respect israel is very much an apartheid country.

but then so is Saudi Arabia, Australian, Denmark, Sweden, USA, Canada,...and every single country on the face of this earth that has religion within its culture.

so if were going to call israel an apartheid state, we should at least keep it honest and call the palestenain culture an apartheid culture. infact if we stick to the dictionary definition it loses its "clout" since it can be used for every society.

so the next aspect is, if we stick to its real definition or its more common one which is more 'racial" oriented. if thats the case, then israel is not. if we want to go and say it apartheid is "nationalisted oriented"...then israel can be described as an aparthied state.......so which is the definition to go by?

[Coastie for Truth]

91. Canada is definitely apartheid

If you don't put your US or UK or AU or NZ passport on the table when ordering in a Quebec Restaurant - you will get a nasty remark from the Francophone wait person.

It is so common as to be a joke.

[Englander]

93. That's completely irrelevant.

An abuse of language, as well.

As was said earlier;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=124756&mesg_id=124773

[Coastie for Truth]

94. Your comment is completely irrelevant.

As was said earlier: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=124756&mesg_id=124912 , viz.,

71. Apartheid is segregation...

Edited on Sat May-06-06 10:16 PM by Violet_Crumble
Capital A apartheid refers specifically to South Africa. With a little a it refers to systems of segregation, including racial, economic, and social separation. The main thing about apartheid is that it is a system of segregation, and racial reasons are not the only reasons for the segregation....

Even a crappy online dictionary will explain that in it's definitions:

a·part·heid (-pärtht, -ht)
n.
1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.

Edited to correct link to www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=124756&mesg_id=124912

[Englander]

95. The link doesn't link.

What's completely irrelevant are attempts to change the subject, or to misuse language
by claiming apartheid is evident in countries where it patently isn't. Could you explain
why my 'comment is completely irrelevant.'? I'm guessing that any explanation isn't likely
to be forthcoming, & the comment about my comment isn't based on an accurate description of
what is or isn't relevant, but is based on the defintion of relevant being 'I say it is!'. Namely,
irrelevant mentions of Canada, or wherever, become relevant, but relevant mentions of SA become
irrelevant.

[ShalachEtAmi]

97. Well it was done by a couple of posters multiple times in this thread..

Englander`s Post:

`or to misuse language by claiming apartheid is evident in countries where it patently isn't. `



Well that was done all through the thread by others claiming Apartheid was evident in Israel, where it patently is not.




So we all agree on that point...

[Englander]

98. No it wasn't, no we don't.

The claim you're making is patently false, & patently untrue, there hasn't been a single post
in this thread that has made that claim.

btw, there was one post where a claim was made that apartheid was evident in a country where it
patently isn't, don't you want to admonish said poster, or remind them not to misuse language?

'Canada is definitely apartheid'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x124756#124971

:)

[Englander]

96. Oh yeah, thanks for the compliment re the mimicry. n/t

[pelsar]

92. wrong forum....

when an Israeli constantly fixates only on how things will affect Israelis and doesn't do the same when it comes to Palestinians, I'm not the slightest bit interested in what they have to say...

on this forum i'm busy correcting all the "misconceptions" lies, and general dehumanization against israel, as well as those that are fanatical "true believers" up to the point where they are one dimensional characters, that cannot even understand the complexity, nor do they want to.

on israeli/jewish forums I am the "arab lover"... a couple nice quotes which i find amusing (directed toward me)
_____________________
Of course, with your high-falutin morality, you wouldn't have allowed this terrible "dehumanization" and inhuman bombing to occur. And you and I would be lampshades.

You are human and no different than all other humans in the fight for survival. Learn to hate a little. But Arabs, not settler Jews.

What you like to call the "basic moral values of the population" is actually a self-desructive neurosis, a ghetto mentality. With your "morality" you have boxed yourselves into a no-win situation. You have the military might to assure Israel's survival, but using it is immoral, it would harm "innocent" civilians. Any morality that requires your national suicide is not a morality at all, but a sickness unto death. Literally!
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these are just the latest.....

i simply adapt to my environment. if this place were a little less extreme, i wouldn't have to be "defending all time" hell, i usually don't ever bother writing about the internal faults of the Palestinian society, (just a few which in particular interest me), unlike the massive list of israels faults that appear daily. Even the good things, somehow turn out to show how wicked israel is here.

[Violet_Crumble]

57. Another post you should search for...

...is a brilliant one written by Jack Rabbit, explaining the differences between Apartheid in South Africa and the situation in the Occupied Territories, and also explaining some of the parallels. I tried to search for it, but the DU search thingy is pretty crap at the best of times, so if anyone else can locate it, could they post a link to it?

Violet...

[Englander]

87. There's mention of apartheid in this old thread;

And a couple of posts by Jack Rabbit;

Cry, our beloved country
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=45931

Another good post by JR;

Day After Report, Author Says Israeli Democracy Is at Risk
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=87837

And some useful links from JR;

A good read -- Reisman and Antoniou - "The Laws of War"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=87730

[Englander]

89. Another good post from Jack Rabbit;

Bush blesses Sharon's apartheid
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=65657

[ShalachEtAmi]

76. Definition for you..

New catchword for people who know using the word Nazi is a no no....

[Violet_Crumble]

81. I posted a definition of the word...

Try and digest it and stop trying to accuse people who do use it of being Antisemites, etc...

Violet...

[ShalachEtAmi]

83. I never accused anyone..

Thats against the rules.Stop suggesting I break DU rules..thats just wrong....

[Violet_Crumble]

84. You did say that using the word apartheid is Antisemitic...

Several times in fact. Do you need links to yr own words?

Just a heads up - I don't waste my time telling someone they're breaking the rules when I see them doing it one too many times. I alert :)

Violet...

[Jim Sagle]

64. The Palestinian side is the one that needs to rethink - rethink the idea

of letting terrorists go undetected.

[Violet_Crumble]

72. Israel needs to do the same thing...

n/t

[ShalachEtAmi]

75. I was not referring to any poster`s...

That is against the rules...and I read them ...3 times...

[Violet_Crumble]

82. If you weren't referring to any posters...

..then why say it?

Violet...

[Englander]

86. No, right subject, right thread, right forum.

The subject's relevant, that's been explained multiple times, comparisons between the OT &
apartheid are relevant, & very much on-topic.

[barb162]

102. Buffett's investors come from all different strata of society

Nothing new there

[Coastie for Truth]

99. Buffett's Israeli Acquisition Born in Shed (NY Times, 5/8/2006)

Israeli industrialist Stef Wertheimer couldn't even afford a lathe when he started his cutting tools company in 1952 in a backyard shed. But his Iscar Metalworking Co. grew into one of the country's largest manufacturers and has become the talk of Israel now that legendary U.S. investor Warren Buffett added it to his fat portfolio. Buffett paid $4 billion for an 80 percent stake in the privately held company, sight unseen. Wertheimer's family will continue to own the remaining 20 percent.

Israeli media on Sunday devoted far more attention to the colossal sale than to the evacuation of Jewish squatters in the volatile West Bank city of Hebron. The investment was Buffett's biggest outside the U.S., and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert predicted it would focus international investors' attention on a country known primarily for its wars.

---snip---

For Stef Wertheimer, who fled Nazi Germany at age 10, industry was part of his vision of building a Jewish state.

Buffett's investment ''put the country on the map as an investment target, bringing with him new markets and clients, who will ensure the continued growth of the entire region,'' the 79-year-old Wertheimer wrote in a column in the Yediot Ahronot newspaper on Sunday.

<<<snip>>>

[Spinoza]

100. Every other Arab state in the Middle East

(and Iran) has an officially established religion, Islam, and discriminates both in law and practice against Non-Muslims, especially Jews. Israel, on the other hand, is in practice a secular state that is religiously and racially pluralistic with absolute freedom of religion for all. Moreover, the PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY (and several other ME states) also have laws of return. Jordan has a law explicitly prohibiting Jews from becoming citizens. Saudi Arabia, a self proclaimed ISLAMIC state, has laws prohibiting non-Muslims from even visiting--much less living in--their 'holy' cities. But only Israel, whose Law of Return grew out of a history of Jews being slaughtered because no other state or Palestine under the British mandate would accept Jewish refugees--is condemned for its law of return.