Palestinian Delegate Backs Armed Struggle

[drdon326]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031012/ap_on_re_mi_ea/islamic_summit_palestinians_1


"Pursuing the armed struggle is a must, as it is the only solution in sight to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," Farouk Kaddoumi, the de facto Palestinian foreign minister, was quoted as saying by the Malaysian national news agency Bernama. "We must continue our struggle against the occupation. This is the only solution to our problem."


Kaddoumi, the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization's political department, is representing the Palestinians at a weeklong series of meetings of the Organization of Islamic Conference in Malaysia. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is prevented from leaving the West Bank by the Israeli military.


Extremists have launched dozens of attacks on Israelis during three years of violence, and Israel has retaliated by invading Palestinian territory, targeting senior militant leaders in rocket attacks and, recently, launching an air strike inside Syria at an alleged training camp for Palestinian militants.


The Palestinian Authority condemns suicide attacks after they occur, and Kaddoumi's comments appeared to be direct opposition to the official Palestinian position.

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old habits are hard to break.

so basically theyre going to continue the murder of innocent people.

[Darranar]

1. Maybe he meant legitimate armed resistance?

[drdon326]

2. Keep living in a dream world.

if you believe that, i feel sorry for you.

[Darranar]

4. I never said he believed it...

I said that you made asumptions too quickly.

We don't know what he meant.

[mdvet]

3. legitimate resistance

Yeah bombing cafes and pizza parlours, universities are all signs of legitamate resistance. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a terrorist.

[Darranar]

5. No, like attacking IDF soldiers...

which has occured.

[mdvet]

6. mmmm

i guess the pizza place was actually a secret IDF HQ, mayby the cafe was a secret IDF arms depo, fine if the palis want to go after the IDF, then they cant complain when the IDF go after them.

[Darranar]

7. Not all of the attacks...

are legitimate armed resistance. SOME of them are.

[mdvet]

8. some attacks

yeah like some sexual encounters of a rapist arent rape, only some of them.

[Darranar]

9. Uh...

targeting combatants (IDF soldiers) is legal according to international law and everything but right-wing nuts like Sharon and Bush.

[mdvet]

10. ergo

Israel taking out HAmas, Islamic jihadis etc is therefore legitimate too, as would taking ut the aforementioned palestinian delegate who is advocating terrorism against israel.

[Darranar]

15. Hamas and islamic jihad?

Yes, targeting them is legitimate, as long as harm to civilians is minimized.

Legitimate armed resistance isn't terror.

[Fight_n_back]

11. What kind of nut is Arafat?

Left wing or right wing?

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[Darranar]

31. Why should he be dead?

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[Darranar]

37. One word:

evidence?

[mdvet]

40. from the horses lips

"I am willing to sacrifice 70 martyrs to kill one Israeli"
— Yasser Arafat, January 2002

"Violence is the only solution,"

if you dont realize that daddy arafat is the king of terrorists by now then i aint gonna persuade you. Possibly you believe that Al Fatah, Islamic Jihad and the PLO are social clubs.

[Darranar]

41. Prove it...

who said that he said that?

[drdon326]

45. proof

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25739

In a fiery speech in Ramallah today, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat called for more martyrdom, reportedly saying: "I am willing to sacrifice 70 to die to kill one Israeli."

Israel Radio West Bank correspondent Avi Yissakharov reported Arafat declared "all Palestinians are Muhammad al-Dura," that all Palestinians are martyrs. Al-Dura was a 12-year-old boy killed in the Gaza Strip last year while his father tried to protect him from crossfire between Palestinian snipers and Israeli Defense Forces.

Arafat called for all to join in the struggle to stop what he termed the Israeli program to Judaize Jerusalem.

The crowd roared back to Arafat, "Millions of martyrs are already marching to Jerusalem."

Israel Television Channel Two reported this evening that Arafat also told the crowd, "I am willing to sacrifice 70 martyrs to kill one Israeli" and called for a continuation of the struggle against Israel.

[drdon326]

46. I'll bet....

you still dont think hes a terrorist, right??

[Darranar]

47. No, I don't...

he's just trying to walk the thin line.

[drdon326]

12. So lets get this on record...

Darrannar....do you or dont you support when hamas et al
attack and kill the IDF??

YES OR NO.

[drdon326]

13. YES OR NO.

.

[drdon326]

14. Hard question??

YES OR NO.

[Darranar]

16. Yesno.

[drdon326]

18. Dont be cute.......

you said armed resistance against the IDF IS LEGITIMATE.

DO YOU SUPPORT THE ATTACKING AND KILLING OF THE IDF
BY HAMAS ET AL??

YES OR NO??

[Darranar]

20. I can't answer that question...

because neither yes nor no accurately represents my viewpoint.

[mdvet]

21. viewpoint

so are the IDF killing Hamas etc legitamate

yes or no

[Darranar]

23. Yes.

[drdon326]

24. viewpoint

so are the hamas killing idf legitamate??

yes or no

[drdon326]

22. OK...I'LL PLAY.

what is YOUR viewpoint on whether YOU SUPPORT WHEN
HAMAS ET AL ATTACK AND KILL THE IDF??

Please dont tell me its "legitimate.

tell me why you support or dont support attacks and killing
of idf??

[Darranar]

25. Okay, thanks...

I think violence of any kind is generally bad, except when it's a last resort to save lives.

A Palestinian firing a gun at an IDF soldier to stop him from killing his son is fine to me. A Palestinian shooting an IDF soldier to stop the IDF from bulldozing his house is also fine, IMO.

I think the Palestinians should be clear about opposing terrorist attacks and start more non-violent protests.

But then again, I think the desperation of the Palestinians is an important thing to keep in mind, and I really can't blame them for attackign IDF soldiers, even though it is not the best way to go.

[drdon326]

26. So mostly ....

killing IDF "is fine" by you.

i understand.

[Darranar]

27. I never said that...

Once again, i don't reaaly think it's helpful, and I don't likke violence of any kind.

[drdon326]

28. Didnt ask that !!

i asked if YOU !! supported that and you said it was
mostly "fine" by you.

[mdvet]

29. legitimate

so if a palestinian is planning to bomb a cafe or pizza place then the IDF is legitametley entitled to take him out???

[Darranar]

32. Yes...

my problem with extra-judicial assasinations is that they aren't helpful and no one makes an effort to minimize collateral damage.

[mdvet]

33. collatoral damage

and the palestinian tactic seems to be maximum collatoral damage. Personally ive no problem with the IDF going after Hamas extra juducially, the only good terrorist is on assuming room temp.

[drdon326]

38. One more thing...

i'm sure my 2 friends in the IDF will be happy to
know its mostly "fine" by you if they are attacked
and killed by hamas or islamic jihad.

thanks.

[Darranar]

39. I'd like them to know...

that I don't think it would be fine if they were killed, unles they were deliberately trying to hurt innocent people.

[Violet_Crumble]

50. Do you think it's fine?

If a Palestinian militant who isn't targetting civilians is attacked and killed by yr IDF friends?

Violet...

[bluesoul]

51. Ditto

Excellent point Violet!

[drdon326]

52. Palestinian MILITANTS ???

I assume you mean members of hamas ,IJ et al.......


MY ANSWER is from the movie A TIME TO KILL:

"YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL".

[drdon326]

53. Your turn Ms. Crumble...

Do you or dont you support when Hamas et al attack and kill

the IDF??


Yes or No.

[Violet_Crumble]

54. Why didn't you answer my question?

I said militants who don't target civilians. How could you misread that? Could you please give me a yes or no answer to the question I asked?

I don't support any violence. But you already knew that...


Violet...

[Fight_n_back]

55. Militants who target anyone

should be targetted back.

Do you expect the IDF to be shot at and not respond?

Unfortunately, the enemy is too cowardly to fire upon people who are trained to fight back.

[drdon326]

56. VC

Yang said it better than me.

[Violet_Crumble]

61. Soldiers who target anyone...

Should be targetted back. Do you expect militants to be shot at and not respond?

You can't have it both ways, don. If you think it's fine to kill militants, then yr displaying double standards to not also think it's fine to kill IDF troops....

btw, someone should tell Yang to read what he responds to. I pointed out several times I was talking about attacks on Israeli troops, not civilians, but maybe Yang is trying to argue that the IDF isn't trained to fight back and those nasty militants should leave them alone? ;)

Violet...

[Fight_n_back]

17. Support is a tricky word

the IDF is an actual military target. The IDF is expecting to risk their life as oppossed to say, a person eating in Maxims or a child in kendergarten.

So support? no...

But it is legitimate resistance as oppossed to attacking a wedding party or cafe.

[drdon326]

19. Not you....darranar

.

[DuctapeFatwa]

34. Any resistance or opposition to US or Israel is terrorism

Neither regime recognizes such a thing as legalized resistance.

Palestinians or Iraqis, when their doors are kicked down by US or Israeli gunmen, should kneel or prostrate themselves and accept execution or torture as pleases their attackers.

They should take care to avoid prostrating or kneeling in a defiant, inciteful or rejectionist manner.

[mdvet]

35. okey dokey then

[Fight_n_back]

42. Your posts

often seem like blatant propoganda.

When the PLO attempted revolution in Jordan no one called it terrorism. When Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Saudi Arabia attacked Israel no one called it terrorism.

Terrorism is using irregluar armed bodies to target civilians in order to cause terror in your opponent.

Most sane people in the world consider it inappropriate to blow up a wedding.

How about you?

[IndianaGreen]

48. I guess this means you disapprove of the US bombing in Afghanistan

Most sane people in the world consider it inappropriate to blow up a wedding.

When an entire wedding party was wiped out by US F-16s whose drug-crazed pilots thought they were being attacked when the wedding participants fired their weapons to the air in the traditional celebratory custom.

PS: We did the same thing in Iraq, except we used our tanks for that!

I am glad to hear you have joined the rest of us that oppose US involvement in Iraq, and in the Middle East.

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[Darranar]

58. Serious question out of pure curiosity...

did you support the Afghan war?

[Fight_n_back]

59. Support is a tricky word

I wish someone else had executed that war. I knew Bush wouldn't so it right and he didn't. So in theory I supported the war but I didn't trust Bush to do it.

The precedent was US and European attacks on the Barbary Pirates.

I have oppossed all the Iraq wars. I was against arming them in the first place.

but this isn't really on topic.

[Darranar]

60. Okay, thanks...

I think we pretty much agree here.

I know it was off topic. Just curious.

[Equinox]

49. LOL...DuctapeFatwa...

When your getting screwed, you must get screwed respectfully!

[rini]

43. of course you mean

blowing up school busses, murdering little boys as mom reads them a bedtime story, blowing the head of a 15 month old. Hey, that's all legit right?

[Darranar]

44. No, that's not whatt I'm talking about...

and you know it.