Father of bulldozer terrorist decries life as stateless East Jerusalem Palestinian

[Scurrilous]

"One day after Hasam Abu Tir was killed last week while attacking pedestrians and cars with a bulldozer in the capital, his mourning relatives in the East Jerusalem village of Umm Touba maintained he was not a terrorist.

However, Abu Tir's father did speak of the problematic undefined status of East Jerusalem's Palestinians as a source of confusion over their identities.

The bulldozer driver's father also pointed to the disparity in the standard of living between his own village and that of the nearby the contentious Jewish neighborhood of Har Homa."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1005898.html

(video at link)

[sui generis]

1. bulldozer terrorist

sorry. If he had been a terrorist he would have done something a lot more awful. He was a depressed angry human, NOT a terrorist.

Terrorist. Are we using their words now?

If every person who commits a criminal act is a terrorist you make terrorism and crime interchangeable terms, and meaningless.

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[number6]

4. what kind of stupid post

is this, and whats NASA got to do with it ?

Terrorism IS a criminal act, but not every criminal act is Terrorism

I don't think NASA will be calling you either ....

[Sezu]

7. If the criminal act looks like terrorism, and quacks like it

it is terrorism. Only the foolish or the apologists would call the second such incident in THIS particular region anything BUT terrorism. Which are you?

[number6]

9. so your calling me , foolish or an apologist..eh

some times a muderous rampage is a muderous rampage
or a murder is a murder ....

[notfullofit]

10. Why does it make

any difference what label is attached?

[Vegasaurus]

13. When Palestinians go on murderous rampages against innocent Israelis

it is terrorism, plain and simple.

[sui generis]

14. oy - we will never convince the hysterical head between knees crowd

that farting in public isn't terrorism.

They live and breathe to be persecuted. In my august and Totally Right Opinion (:P) ALL terrorism is criminal. When you give it special magical powers and demand everyone suck the koolaid and sing kumbaya together it's no longer criminal or terroristic: it's a cult.

The fact of the matter is there are two kinds of 'terrorists'. The first kind is the military objective disruptor, and they liberally use the second kind: the person who believes they're avenging something. The "targets" are irrelevant: they are achievable, and that more than anything is what makes them targets.

Whoa. Did I just describe America in Iraq, or what. It's nasty and the people who cannot see both sides of the issue here (and there) are still in the process of growing up, in fact are the reason things don't change.

[Sezu]

16. Heh. you can do all the mental gymnastics you want but

stark reality is that Israelis have, do and probably will continue to face terrorism on a regular basis causing them death, injury and/or terror regardless the politically correct mechinations of those who want to see "both sides of the issue." Dead is dead whether you feared it was going to happen by a terrorist act or not and sane societies act to stop such things, not to see both sides while their people are being killed.

[sui generis]

17. well reactive is how they got there

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to change.

If you want something different you have to do something different. BOTH sides are guilty of sitting there and saying "don't hate me because I'm . . . " whatever.

Yes, security is important. There are clearly people who hate Israel, Judaism, and Non-Muslims irrationally and preferably to death, and nobody made them but themselves.

The harm comes when we assume those people speak for everyone. The solution has always been extraordinarily simple, and impossible. If you want to survive you have to change.

If you want allies you have to court them at your borders. If you want credibility you have to earn it, not demand it.

Those things are impossible when you are fundamentalist and when you deal with fundamentalists. So, yes the crackpots exist, but if Israel and Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Gaza were united in a common economic cooperative, then Iran would have to choose a less formidable opponent to hate and threaten.

Reality on the ground is what it is. The fact is, Israel is not going to survive in its current form, no matter how much wailing and gnashing of teeth occurs, in ten years or fifty years. Israel must adapt, must lead, must unite rather than alienate its borders. And I honestly think it will, but it will take more than one-sided demands of allegiance from far-off countries. It is odd that the culture doesn't want change though, fears it and derides it, as evidenced by the fact that most "reform" sects of Judaism in the U.S. aren't even considered "real Judaism" by any sabra anywhere, at best "diluted and deluded".

[Sezu]

18. Advice best given to Israel's enemies who keep trying

the same insanity; destroying her. Insanity since 1948...give them a shout why don't you?

[sui generis]

19. oh puhleeeze

YOU are exactly what I'm talking about.

Some day when you have posted adequately here to deserve me being nicer to you, do give me a shout back.

But today, and after that idiotic comment oh us and them, black and white, thuh enumy and everyone else, YOU are your own damn problem.

I personally don't give a shit about who fucks up who there any more. To be told that my desire for a peaceful future for both makes me the enemy is absurd, especially coming from one of the warmonger/victim poseurs.

Let me tell you, if you need American money to survive, you are doing something wrong. That money is better spent educating our own children to understand how conflict like the middle east happens and is perpetuated.

I think I'm a little sad for you - but with this caveat:

Those who deserve pity have it, and often have assistance they need willingly given. Those who demand pity, or worse, those who demand support are beneath contempt.

Thank the gods you don't speak for many, or Israel would indeed be doomed in our lifetime.

[Vegasaurus]

20. Many countries in the world are relying on US aid

Israel has a booming economy and many important innovations and technical advancements have been developed there.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with the US, but with the overall brainpower of a lot of Israelis.

What is wrong is that Israel cannot live in peace, without constant terrorism, anti-semitism, and violent resistance, from so many neighbors.

[sui generis]

15. I'm guessing they said something about working at NASA

a line stolen directly from me.

So the missing twit wasn't even original. I haven't worked AT Nasa but I have certainly worked on an industry critical aerospace flight path optimization problem with a team of scientists that wrote the original CPOS engine at Bell Labs.

Not even a rocket scientist - but to pull rank I did finish my pre-Med at 17 at 25 credit hours/semester while that person was probably trying to figure out which zit to pop first.

:evilgrin:

[breakaleg]

11. But not every criminal act is necessarily terrorism. Unless of course it's Israel and the

perpetrator is Palestinian.

[Vegasaurus]

12. Do you know the definition of terrorism?

Do you really believe that the second bulldozer attack on a busy street in Jerusalem is just an "accident"?

[Night_Nurse]

3. What I want to know..

will the A-hole who shot up the TN church w/a gun be charged as a terrist? Probably not - he's a Hannitized RW zealot and likely a card-carrying NRA member, as well - he's not a Middle Eastern male.

Why is it that only persons of Middle Eastern/Islamic persuasion are considered terrists? Why aren't white Christian men who firebomb abortion clinics rotting away in Guantanamo?

:shrug:

[notfullofit]

5. I do believe

he will be charged with a hate crime.

[Night_Nurse]

6. Thanks. What are your thoughts on that? n/t

[notfullofit]

8. They should put him UNDER the jail. nt