Hilary Clinton told her colleagues the anti-Semitic indoctrination

[ForestsBeatBushes]

NEW YORK, The anti-Semitic indoctrination of children by the Palestinian Authority must stop, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York told her colleagues, October 31, 2003.
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Addressing a Senate hearing on the education and indoctrination of Palestinian children, Clinton denounced recent broadcasts on the Palestinian Authority's state-controlled television station that feature ordinary children expressing their support for terrorism and declaring their desire to become martyrs as an "horrific abuse of children."

"How can you think about building a better future, no matter what your political views, if you indoctrinate your children to a culture of death?" Clinton told reporters on a conference call after the hearing. "We should all agree that children should not be indoctrinated into hatred and violence and then indoctrinated into killing themselves."

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"I kept pressing him on it and I will continue to do so," she said.
The hearing was held under the auspices of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health, Human Services, and Education, chaired by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), and it featured a presentation by the director of Palestinian Media Watch, Itamar Marcus.
Marcus's presentation included taped segments from PATV showing "the role that the Palestinian Authority television plays in perpetuating anti-Israeli, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic attitudes," said Clinton.
Clinton said she supports conditioning aid to the PA on a "cessation of propaganda and hateful rhetoric" in textbooks and the media, and that she has written to US President George W. Bush urging him to demand an end to official Palestinian anti-Semitism and the promotion of terrorism as a pre-condition to resuming Middle East peace talks.

She said the goal of Thursday's hearing was to raise awareness of the problem among the public and her Senate colleagues. "We were focused not so much on the legalistic aspects of this as on the moral and ethical issue of how any society can condone this kind of behavior and permit young children to be interviewed on television about their desire to die. That is just beyond the pale," she said.
Clinton said she also wanted to emphasize the PA's responsibility for promoting terrorism among its people. "It is clear that the Palestinian Authority, as we see on PATV, is complicit" in terrorist attacks, she said. "This is not Hamas . This is the Palestinian Authority."


http://www.pmw.org.il/new/Latest%20bulletin.html#senate1

[bluesoul]

1. Things missing

And everything Israel does she failed to mention. Sadly...

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[ForestsBeatBushes]

3. First, she thought it was all a right-wing conspiracy,

now, because of her viewing of what passes for teaching in schools run by the PA, she has become a part of the right-wing conspiracy.

LOL

[rini]

7. I know it hasn't occurred to you

but maybe to stop the hate being taught to small children so a real peace can ensue.

[Darranar]

10. You know what will really stop the hate?

Stopping people from experiencing horrors at a young age, seeing friends and family die at the hands of occupiers who are already making life miserable...

[beanball]

14. Hate

remove the cause of hate and the hate will cease.

[E_Zapata]

4. Yes, the little palestinians should LOVE the people bombing

the shit out of their homes, schools, hospitals. Oh, and big brother who was taken out by mortar fire when he was 16? He's still with us in spirit. And Uncle Ahmed too. all is good.

Why can't the palestinians just learn some tolerance, for god's sakes?

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[SOS]

11. So Palestinian children are

in training for suicide bombing? All of them?
According to an Israeli web site, there have been 115 suicide bombings from Nov. 2000 - June 2003.
There are 4,000,000 Palestinians.
Thus 0.000028% of Palestinians have committed an attack.
Is it your position that the other 99.999972% are all terrorists?

[bluesoul]

12. Exactly

Excellent point SOS! :thumbsup:

[ForestsBeatBushes]

13. Training doesn't always translate into 'succeeding'

[Spintronic]

15. Learning to hate is a good thing?

Text books that present such lies as the "Protocols of Zion" as fact do not help anyone, and teaching children to hate is a despicable act. I remember reading that Israel went through a movement a few years ago revise its own textbooks a few years ago, and they are now much more balanced, teaching about the massacres in Lebanon for example, and placing the blame on Israeli leadership. Here in the US, textbooks have been going through many changes. Did your grandparents learn of the trail of tears for example. Most textbooks now have a section discussing the American internment camps for the Japanese included in WWII history. Was this information always included?

Teaching hate will never end the cycle of violence. This has been learned all over the world. What are the textbooks like in Northern Ireland I wonder? How can asking for it to stop be a bad thing? How is asking it to stop a Republican thing?

[Darranar]

16. Textbooks in America are still censored...

when will they hear of Nicaragua or the Phillipines extensively?

Or the million Japanese civilians slaughtered by American bombs?

When will this be discussed extensively?

Or will it be dismissed as "anti-American"?

[ForestsBeatBushes]

17. You are not willing to condemn

even The Protocols of Zion?


Oh, and BTW, we covered the slaughter of Japanese civilians where I was educated. Were you? I mean, where were you?

[Darranar]

18. Extensively?

Or just Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

What about the million Germans slaughtered?

Yes, I was educated.

And why do you think i am unwilling to condemn the Protocols?

[ForestsBeatBushes]

25. read #'s 15 and 16; it's prominent in 15, yet you ignore it in 16

[Darranar]

27. I was disputing one point...

not the whole post.

[tinnypriv]

22. You covered the Genocide of the Native Americans as well?

I only ask, because I certainly was not taught about the British subjugation, of say, India.

And if you were taught about the Genocide (or you learned later), what do you think of the US policy of naming destructive weapons (say, Apache Longbow, Tomahawk etc) after victims of that campaign to "clear the continent"?

I certainly think the chorus of denunciation would be rather ear-splitting if Hamas named missiles either 'Maxim' or 'Dolphin Discoteque'. :eyes:

[Darranar]

24. The genocide of the Native Americans is covered...

but it's a hundred years late.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

26. No, I believe I received a

good education as to the US, but, to use your example, the UK and India was definitely bypassed.

The use of names of destructive weapons as you mention makes me sick! Actually, not that it's in the same class, but it stems from the same disregard, I believe, the Cleveland Indians, Washington Redskins and so on also makes me sick!

[tinnypriv]

28. If you can show me an official US textbook of yours (from 1960-2003):

Which says 'Genocide' in relation to Native Americans, I'll donate twenty bucks in your honour to DU. Good luck :)

This is, after all, the point. Every society passes its actions through a one-way moral screen. In the case of a society under 'dual repression' (by the PA and Israel), you can probably double the lack of ethical considerations for the 'other side'.

So, I could ask this question of Mrs Clinton: "how can a culture tolerate naming WMD after victims of genocide"?

The simple answer is of course, "we're different". But then I'm sure the PA says the same thing.

Living in a nationalist country, I'm surprised Mrs Clinton is so fucking stupid as to not realise any of this, or have the hubris to say these sorts of things in public, given the facts.

[bluesoul]

29. Yeah

The problem are the things she leaves out concerning the other side and the position in which the Palestinians are.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

37. "she"? tinnypriv is a woman? oh.

[Darranar]

39. ?

[bluesoul]

41. No no

I was talking about Hilary Clinton! Doh...

[Darranar]

31. It's implied, though not said...

in some.

It really depends on which you're reading.

[tinnypriv]

32. And

If German textbooks "implied" a few million Jews were slaughtered?

[Darranar]

33. I don't mean to defend the US...

us "new leftists" would be hard-pressed to commit such a crime.

Seriously, I agree with you. But there is a certain lack of blatant denial that exists in other portions of US history.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

36. I had this deal called 'teachers' and

they supplemented the textbooks quite well.

You can still donate the twenty bucks in your own honor to DU, however.

[tinnypriv]

42. Don't believe you I'm afraid

We can just agree to disagree.

[Darranar]

35. Not textbook-related...

but still tying in to the whole section of formenting ignorance, this was posted in LBN a while ago, about the Enola Gay.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/11/02/MNG8T2OFD31.DTL

[Classical_Liberal]

34. We all did it, but there was absolutely no reciprocity in terms of critici

sm of israel. This was another easy position on Hillary's part. I used to be very keen on attacking people who spread the protocols. I am pretty sour though because I know nothing will be done about what israel is doing to the Palestinians. I don't believe Palestinian terrorism will slow until there is. Israel is turning them into homeless vagrants, with no food or water, then it is bitching about the insanity it creates.

[auH2Olost]

40. Bad math

You AssUMe the documented suicide bombers acted alone in every case.
I doubt they were not asisted by a cadre of bomb makers and henchmen.

Please recalculate and correct your error.

[Scurrilous]

30. There isn't much training involved...

..in becoming a suicide bomber. The idea that there is a place somewhere where masses of young Palestinian children train for this sort of thing is ludicrous.

[ForestsBeatBushes]

38. It is, isn't it?

[Philosophy]

6. Parents should not be allowed to teach their children anything at all

Seriously. That's the cause of nearly all social problems.

[rini]

8. to get really serious

parents who don't know how to parent or parents who are so caught up in hatred that they continue the cycle. And you can apply that to the entire world. It's like spousal abuse, it only take one generation to start the cycle and one to stop it.

[bluesoul]

9. Well

But what if they teach us good things? ;-)

[tinnypriv]

19. Good move

Although I would like to propose an amendment.

We'll condition aid to the PA on an agreement to cease the "hateful rhetoric", and also condition aid to Israel on an agreement to stop colonising land that isn't theirs.

Seems fair enough.

[Darranar]

21. Agreed...

though I still don't think that negotiations should be dependant on it.

[tinnypriv]

23. Obviously not

But US taxpayer monies ain't free. The US has a right to condition it if it wants. May even be justified in some cases.

[Orangeone]

20. Hillary

Does she really beleive that crap? The Israelis kill innocent Palestinian children, but that's not abuse?

Suicide bombings have a horrible logic -- if you are going to get killed anyway wouldn't you rather be the one to choose the time or place?

I think Hillary should just shut up with her racist views.