Ya'alon No need ever to remove any settlements

[bemildred]

Israel should not have to remove any settlements in a peace agreement with the Palestinians, Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya’alon has told The Jerusalem Post, adding that just as Arabs live in Israel, so, too, should Jews be able to live in a future Palestinian entity.

“If we are talking about coexistence and peace, why the insistence that the territory they receive be ethnically cleansed of Jews?” Ya’alon asked during a wide-ranging interview that will appear in the Post’s Yom Ha’atzmaut supplement on Monday.

“Why do those areas have to be Judenrein?” he asked. “Don’t Arabs live here, in the Negev and the Galilee? Why isn’t that part of our public discussion? Why doesn’t that scream to the heavens?”

Ya’alon said that if Israel and the Palestinians were truly headed down the path of peace and coexistence, “Jews living in Judea and Samaria under Israeli sovereignty and citizenship” should be possible.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=173302

[Ozymanithrax]

1. As long as Israeli's formally revoke their Israeli Citizenship for citizinehips in...

a new Palastinian State.

[kayecy]

2. If Ya'alon means what he says, what is the problem?

Who would object to Jews (or any other race/nationality) living in any state so long as they accept the law of their host state and pay their taxes?

Of course, there may be questions of land-title etc but it would do the Palestinian cause a world of good if they would come out and unequivocally support the right of the settlers to stay in their homes.

What is not acceptable is for Jews to live in Judea and Samaria under Israeli sovereignty.....That would not be acceptable in any other democratic state.
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[LeftishBrit]

3. I agree that they should have the right to be Palestinian citizens if they choose...

But not to form enclaves of Israelis under continued Israeli jurisdiction.

[Ken Burch]

6. Agreed. The problem is, the settlers don't want to live as equals with the Palestinians

They want to live their with the understanding that it is THEIR land, and that the Palestinians can only stay on their sufferance and at their mercy.

[shira]

12. that's a hateful, broadbrush statement

[Crunchy Frog]

4. If they want to live there, it should be under the very same terms

under which the Arabs live in Israel. And I think that includes living under the sovereignty of the state they're living in. It also means they don't get to live in Arabrein gated communities.

[Ken Burch]

5. If's offensive to use the term "Judenrein" in this context

Asking illegal settlers who claim to be Jewish to move off of lands they took by force is NOT the same thing as the Nazis sending people to the death camps. That word should NEVER be used in this context.

(I'm directing that at the people quoted in the story, bemildred, not at you. Just so you know).

[Violet_Crumble]

11. Yeah, usually people are all over the Nazi references in this forum...

Not this time, though. Strange that....

That sort of language gives a good clue that this guy isn't talking about any sort of peaceful co-existance between equals. He was opposed to the disengagement from Gaza, is a strong supporter of the settler movement, and in a 2002 interview with Ha'aretz likened the Palestinians to cancer:

There is something surprising in the fact that you see the Palestinian threat as an existential threat.

"The characteristics of that threat are invisible, like cancer. When you are attacked externally, you see the attack, you are wounded. Cancer, on the other hand, is something internal. Therefore, I find it more disturbing, because here the diagnosis is critical. If the diagnosis is wrong and people say it's not cancer but a headache, then the response is irrelevant. But I maintain that it is cancer. My professional diagnosis is that there is a phenomenon here that constitutes an existential threat."

Does that mean that what you are doing now, as chief of staff, in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, is applying chemotherapy?

"There are all kinds of solutions to cancerous manifestations. Some will say it is necessary to amputate organs. But at the moment, I am applying chemotherapy, yes."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=202714&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

[Donald Ian Rankin]

7. Most of the settlements should stay, but under Palestinian sovereignty.

Ya'alon is being spectacularly dishonest in suggesting that the only alternative to ethnic cleansing is for the settlements to remain under Israeli sovereignty.

Those settlements not on privately-owned land should be allowed to remain, but under Palestinian rule - similar to the status of Palestinians in Israel, but without the massive and institutionalised discrimination against them.

[shira]

8. "similar to the status of Palestinians in Israel, but w/o massive, institutionalised discrimination"

:eyes:

Are you serious?

What type of rule do you expect settlers to live under in a future Palestine with - miracles of miracles - a united Hamas/Fatah doing the ruling?



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x310145#310162

What do you think about that?

Mind blowing, huh?

[IndianaGreen]

9. Does this mean that Ya’alon will support the Palestinians' right of return?

What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. Ya’alon's statement can also be used in justification of a single bi-national and democratic state in present day Israel and Occupied Palestine.

[Ken Burch]

14. Will Ya'alon do that? well, here's one answer:

אל תעצרו את הנשימה שלך

[Eg-ptiangirl]

10. Cool

They can live as Palestinian Citizens and obey the Palestinian laws.

[shira]

13. A majority of settlers would leave if their homes were sold for a fair price

http://freedomsyndicate.com/fair0000/ft03.html

Looks like one way to get Jews out of the settlements is for Palestinians and their local supporters to simply buy the homes from them for a fair price.

It's already happening...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyEmn4wjnY

Easiest way to resettle refugees from the W.Bank is to buy settlement homes and house refugee families in their place. Kill 2 birds with one stone. ;)

So what's the holdup? :eyes: