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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:13 AM Original message |
'Abbas rejects 60% of WB' |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. He should reject it at that level. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. "Temporary borders". It's not everything but it's at least a start. |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Netanyahu's plan is crap meant to act as a smokescreen. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. But its intended to be an end as well. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:34 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. How do you know? What does "temporary" mean to you? |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. +186746870875 |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Abbas: Forget temporary state, begin final-status talks |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Translation, all or nothing. |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. ALL? You must be joking |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. It's a start, like Gaza in 2005. Building trust and good faith matters. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
64. Trust needs to go both ways |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. Have to wonder after the South Ossetia precedent how much he thinks he is really going to keep |
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shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
138. That is the stupidest cack of shit I have ever read... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. I totally understand why he rejected this |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Why not accept it conditionally? Seems stupid to reject it flat out without negotiating terms |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Why do you want him to accept it? You never really cared about him |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. They're temporary borders. What's so difficult about this? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. BiBi has no intention of keeping his word. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 05:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Perez and Barak are not rightwingers and they're pushing hard for Abbas to accept |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. And yet Bibi is a right wing hawk. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
75. So which Israeli leader would you trust WRT this 60% offer? Perez? Barak? Livni? |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Yeah, trust the Israelis to not put their settlers on Palestinian land. |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. kind of an easy out doncha think? |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
62. Abaduwuhoooo?!?! |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. This game doesn't fool anyone any more |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. One state isn't going to happen |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. care to comment about the "iron wall" |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. It is an occupied area |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Thanks for the reply |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. About Citizenship |
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Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I don't think offering citizenship to Palestinian refugees |
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Eg-ptiangirl (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Will not happen |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Why not give Palestinian refugees the choice to live as full citizens in their host countries? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. No other Arab has to go through the citizenship process |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 05:20 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Strawman. You need to do a little research on Arab naturalization laws... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. and again shira why only Arab countries? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Arab countries are where Palestinian refugees are living |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. yes it must be so frustratng |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You really can't bring yourself to answer that question, can you? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. They should have their own country period |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:05 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. So if it were up to you, you would not give refugees a choice now to become citizens... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Az, are you going to answer this question? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. You've already been corrected on that false claim you made... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. It's not a false claim. The fact is that Arab countries hosting refugees treat those Palestinians |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 12:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. What you said was indeed a false claim. Read back if you need to refresh yr memory... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Name other groups of Arabs discriminated against WRT citizenship/naturalization |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. You made a completely false claim about Arabs and citizenship in Arab countries... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. It's not a false claim at all. No other group in Arab lands is denied rights and citizenship |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one as well... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. No bullshit - see post #29 about Saudi Arabia, for example |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It was bullshit. The link you posted didn't support what you claimed at all... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. As long as Arabs are Muslim and they have lived in S.Arabia for at least 10 years, they can become |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. That's not what yr claim was, so stop shifting the goal-posts... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 05:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. It's not just Saudi Arabia. Are you aware of the refugee situation in Lebanon? Pretty horrible. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. You made a false claim and all you seem to want to do is ignore it... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. It's not false at all. You're arguing against a strawman. Palestinians are not afforded.... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. It is false. I've reposted yr exact words... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. All other Arabs do have the right to settle down legally in other Arab lands once they go through |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. That's not what you originally said. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The point is Arab Palestinians are discriminated against in Arab lands only b/c they're Palestinian |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
120. Ah, the Jordan ruse yet again. Doesn't mouthing that over and over again |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
57. No, you're wrong - it looks like it's fooled Shira, for one... N.T. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Really? If the PA is for their own state in peace alongside Israel, why not accept |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Why go through all the hassle of that |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. If the existence of settlements was so nefarious, then there would have been a better result |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:41 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. There was plenty of potential for a better result in Gaza |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 05:35 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Hamas saw Gaza as Israeli weakness and fired rockets immediately after |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Okay, point by point |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. LOL....here goes nothing |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. This is the post that never ends... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Most of your argument is a strawman. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. You can't seriously imagine that anything like that would happen? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 05:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Again, if the PLO's goal is a peaceful 2-state resolution then this is a great opportunity |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I have difficulty believing that you buy into your own statements, Shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 05:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. It's like the Gaza pullout in a way - a test and an opportunity - not perfect but it's something |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Either way - there will be damage and chaos |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. So your solution is ____________ ? |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. If it is a sick strawman - then explain this |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Actually Shira - I have come up with a solution |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Sounds reasonable |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. So again your argument is thus |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-28-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. No, I'm for the 60% deal to end the occupation, you're not. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. So I need to ask then |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Don't know why 60% is just right but I can imagine it has something to do with security |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. 60 percent does NOT end the occupation |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-29-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. It ends most of it and the borders are temporary. What if Rabin offered it in 1994-95.... |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Rabin was murdered |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. But had he offered 60% then in 1993 or 1994, would you have viewed that positively? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
86. I've been scratching my head a bit at this thread |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. So look at it as Netanyahu wanting to end 60% of W.Bank occupation. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. OMFG!! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. LOL. Why pretend the borders for 60% are not provisional, but permanent? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-30-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I'm against illegal occupation of any land |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. The land is not held contrary to international law like UNSCR 242, so once again... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. The land was occupied during wartime |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You wrote you're against illegal occupation of land.....well, does UNSCR 242 state |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. So you consider it legally occupied |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Yes, as legal as the USA occupying Germany or Japan. |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. I don't think the Geneva convention precludes legality or illegality |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Why isn't a provisional 60% state viable? |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. They accepted it in 1947 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. To answer your question, yes, the Jews of 1948 would have accepted a very small state |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. I dont know where you read that per 242, |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Israeli lawyers contest the geneva convention |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. A good analysis whoisinpower |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. UNSCR 242 does not call for eventual withdrawal to exact 1967 borders once a peace deal is signed |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. I'm against the proposal for the same reason |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. It was not 'stolen' in 1967 anymore than the Sinai was......it was legal via a defensive war |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Look up 'no title by conquest' sweetheart |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Can you admit the occupation isn't illegal, that UNSCR 242 doesn't demand every last inch returned.. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #103 |
110. 242 demands for a withdrawl from the lands occupied in 1967 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Would you also be against 90-95% withdrawal from the W.Bank? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 07:13 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Are you asking am I against Israel retaining 5%-10% |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. as provisional borders, if 90-95% were offered instead of 60% would you be for it? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 07:53 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. So what you're asking me |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. yes, if that's how you wish to perceive it....occupation can end in 90-95% of all the W.Bank |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Ah, I see the little tangents are being introduced as usual |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. So that means "no", correct? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. What part of my analogy do you fail to understand? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Your negative response is based on your ignorance or dismissal of UNSCR 242. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. My narrative is based on the accepted principals of war |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. For an unlawful occupation of the W.Bank, that would be Jordan 1948-67 |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. So israels occupation is lawful? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Yes, and you're wrong about pathetic strawman arguments WRT omissions |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Too funny! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-02-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Here's Arthur Goldberg saying the same thing as that "jewish website" |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. So now its a jewish guy that agrees with you |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Your mask is slipping |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. And here's Lord Caradon on UNSCR 242... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Would you like to post a link from a jewish newspaper |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. so Goldberg is a biased source because he's Jewish? Are you serious? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Is the israeli occupation of the west bank lawful? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-03-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Yes, I've answered that 3 times now in #98, 124, and 128, so now..... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:43 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. If the occupation is lawful |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Because the occupation cannot continue forever... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. From your post.... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. "Secure and recognized boundaries" |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Where does it state |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. How can occupation be unlawful if it can't end before a peace deal... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. How are the settlements illegal |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. First, do you acknowledge that withdrawal cannot happen until there are secure borders |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Som in the context of my original analogy... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. The original drafters of UNSCR 242 all say the same thing....so how's that ridiculous? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. So the established wartime principal of |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. You can't explain "secure and recognized borders" in any way that supports your view |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:51 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. On the contrary I am QUOTING the 3 drafters |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. I'm also quoting from the 3 key drafters AS WELL AS their explanations for what appears... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. For the benefit of the forum members who aren't used to how shira operates... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-05-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. Seriously? Because Rostow is Jewish, he can't be an honest, non-biased and reliable source? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #151 |
152. What you have done shira |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Can you in any way prove the CAMERA quotes of Caradon are false? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-06-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. CAMERA ALERT: Letter by Martin Luther King a Hoax |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Looks like an honest mistake they admitted.....is that the worst example you can find? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 05:17 AM Response to Reply #153 |
156. I don't have to. Its an OPINION. And even THAT opinion doesn't agree with you.. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. So the problem isn't CAMERA at all....you believe your opinion is as good as the 3 key drafters |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Opinion does not trump established princials of war |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. The difference WRT this resolution is that some of the land really is in dispute |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. From your post... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-07-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. Israel has better title to the land according to Judge Schwebel of the ICJ....look it up. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. There you go again |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. What's NOT in 242 was debated heavily before the resolution was finally voted on |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. The only language I 'believe exists' in the resolution |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Do you deny all Arab states originally rejected 242... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Irrelevant - another red herring, you got nothing. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #167 |
168. LOL. Hopeless. I've had more honest discussions with religious fundamentalists. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Irrelevant |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Now Israel captured land aggressively? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Bullshit and you know it |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:09 AM Response to Reply #175 |
176. That's in the preamble, not the operative clause |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:45 AM Response to Reply #176 |
177. On the contrary |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. Where's my proof? You mean besides.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Your whole little transparent house of cards falls on one contradiction |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #179 |
180. You are confusing 2 issues, occupation vs. settlements |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #180 |
181. Pathetic |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #181 |
182. Back to square one.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #182 |
183. 'The way they drafted it' |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. LOL. I rest my case. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. What case? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. You ignore reality - where else can we go with this? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. 3 fucking days! |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. May as well be 3 years - you still won't accept reality so what's the point? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. The point is |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Those are established facts |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Trying to establish the intent of 242 |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Of course it's relevant. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-11-10 05:04 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. Incorrect |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-04-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Because it's a necessary requirement for peace. |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-08-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
166. This is absolutely false. Land can be legally occupied, disputed and subject to negotiation all |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-09-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #166 |
169. True believers cannot be persuaded by facts and reasoning. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-10-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #166 |
172. Dick |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-01-10 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
108. Israel demands 40% of the West Bank? nt |
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