Settlers prepare to riot as statehood bid approaches

[ellenrr]

West Bank settlers have begun preparing for mass marches into Palestinian Authority territories in what they dubbed as "sovereignty marches," in an attempt to protest against the upcoming Palestinian statehood bid at the United Nations.

The settler rallies are set to begin Tuesday afternoon, as participants plan to make their way towards the IDF District Coordination and Liaison Command. A protest is also slated to take place on the streets of Tel Aviv. In addition, right wing extremists are expected to head in the direction of Palestinian communities in order to shift the conflict into PA territories.

Hilltop Youth leader Meir Bertler expressed his hope that Israel would annex the West Bank settlements. "As far as we're concerned, we're going to feel right at home in the West Bank, and this week we'll hold marches, begin construction and show our presence in order to make it clear to everyone exactly who this country belongs to." Far-right activist Itamar Ben-Gvir stressed that his counterparts will not be "waiting at home so the Arabs might get close to their fences."

"We're going to go out and make it clear to the Arabs who the home owners are. We're going to take the initiative and march towards Palestinian towns."


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4123495,00.html


Israeli state security forces are also at the ready to provoke Palestinian protesters.
Acc. to speakers on Democracy Now this morning, settlers plan to march to Palestinian towns and plant Israeli flags. The fear is that between the settlers' provocation, and the state provocation, they will force another intifada.

[Kurska]

1. Of course we need an article to be posted to PROVE that no matter what the Palestinians do

it is still the Israeli's fault. I do love how settlers are "rioters" and Palestinians are "protesters", sorta reminds me of the "Scavengers" and "looters" news articles after hurricane Katrina.

What a bunk article making a mountain out of a mole hill. Poor Palestinians, Israelis plant some flags and now they are FORCED! FORCED I tell you to start sending suicide bombers to Israelis pizzerias in a new "intifada". Gee just imagine if the Palestinians actually had control over their own actions and were held accountable for them, what a would that would be.

[Violet_Crumble]

2. Not sure how you came up with that.

The actions of those extremist scumbags will be the fault of those extremist scumbags and no-one else. Why would you defend extremists like the Hilltop Youth?

[Kurska]

6. Poor powerless palestinians

"The fear is that between the settlers' provocation, and the state provocation, they will force another intifada."

FORCED FORCED I TELL YOU, they have no choice. They have to launch an ethnic conflict that will kill thousands don't you see? They've exhausted all routes of not talking to the israelis, they have demanded they get exactly what they want unilaterally in the UN, none of it is working. By god if they don't kill thousands they might have to RESTART THE TALKS THAT ISRAEL HAS OFFERED TO HAVE.

:sarcasm:

[Violet_Crumble]

12. Repeating the same stuff again isn't making yr point any clearer...

What is it that I said in my post that yr not understanding? Those extremist scumbag settlers are responsible for what they do. It's that simple. Also, apart from defending extremist settlers, you now appear to be making out that an intifada is an ethnic conflict that kills thousands, which is a complete load of rubbish. Also rubbish is that the Palestinians haven't ever been willing to negotiate with Israel, or that asking for official recognition as a state in the UN is a unilateral thing. The UN is a multilateral organisation, and voting on statehood and membership is part of what they do. If you think applying for UN membership is unilateral, then that's exactly what Israel did when it declared statehood and applied for UN membership. What's good for the goose and all...

[azurnoir]

3. doesn't look like they're waiting till Tuesday: PA: Settlers shoot at homes in Burin village, Nablus

Settlers opened fired on Palestinian homes late Sunday in the village of Burin in southern Nablus, Palestinian Authority officials said.

PA settlement affairs official Ghassan Doughlas told Ma'an that armed settlers shot at the village after midnight on Sunday.

The home of Said Najjar was hit in the attack, Doughlas said

Local guard committees witnessed the attack and contacted Palestinian officials.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=421501

[Jefferson23]

4. This was a smart idea:

News reports said two weeks ago that Israeli forces were arming settlers with tear-gas canisters, stun grenades and even trained dogs to counter potential attacks by the Palestinians.

:sarcasm:

[ellenrr]

7. damn isn't it just like those Palestinians to provoke the settlers

by being alive.

[thereismore]

5. The settlers are just pawns in the political machine. I feel for them, but they have had it

easier than the displaced Palestinians.

[ellenrr]

8. I agree they are being used by the Israeli state, but

I have no sympathy for them.
They choose to go where they go, they are hugely subsidized.
Most of the $ actually coming from right-wing evangelical Christian Zionist groups in the US.

Thye drain the coffers of the Israeli state, so leading to the housing crisis.

They are mostly dangerous wackos that shoot unarmed Palestinians, poison wells, pull up olive trees.

Some of them are religious fanatics who believe God gave the Jews the land.
I bet a good portion of them are psychos who get really hot about being able to have a gun and mow down unarmed civilians, and being able to torment and bully them.
And I think a portion of them are parasites who know a good (economic) deal when they see one.

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[Shaktimaan]

10. woah

I don't love settlers muself, by really???

Thye drain the coffers of the Israeli state, so leading to the housing crisis.

Ummm... you sure about this? Did you check?

They are mostly dangerous wackos that shoot unarmed Palestinians, poison wells, pull up olive trees.

Poison wells? I think you're getting your settler violence and your 18th centure anti-semitic propaganda mixed up.
And they are MOSTLY dangerous wackos? I think they are mostly just russian immigrants and normal families.

I bet a good portion of them are psychos who get really hot about being able to have a gun and mow down unarmed civilians

So far, this has happened once. In the history of Israel. But you bet a "good portion" of them are just like that?


So acc'd to you the problem is that Israel brought her 400,000 most violent mental patients into Palestine, gave them howitzers and arsenic and a license to kill. Sounds plausible.

[ellenrr]

11. I don't make this stuff up

There is abundant reporting esp since the demos are going on in Israel - about how much money goes from Israel to support the settlers.
Just do a search on that. No one is Israel - whatever their political persuasion - debates that keeping the settlers- the military protection andother benefits they get - is draining Israel dry.

Poisoning wells is reported by Palestinians who live in the occupied territory and by Internationals who live there.
also a pretty well-known fact.

You're right - wrong term, "psychotic" means out of touch with reality. Beating up children, poisoning wells, killing people for no reason,
How about I'll just call them homicidal.

[Shaktimaan]

14. Are you sure?

Your idea that the settlements caused the housing crisis doesn't make much sense. In the 80s/90s Israel had a big influx of people, the Russians. And it built houses for them, but not enough to keep up with growing demand. It is primarily private developers who build new construction in Israel, not the government. So by offering subsidized housing in the OPT, the housing situation is alleviated somewhat. The flip side would be evacuating all those settlements. Not only would the houses be lost but the land underneath it as well. Which would clearly put further strain on the housing crisis.

Yes, you are right... the settlements cost a ton of money. It sucks and should stop. But it isn't the cause for the housing crisis. That is because of a lack of adequate housing and a speculative bubble (probably.)

Poisoning wells is reported by Palestinians who live in the occupied territory and by Internationals who live there.
also a pretty well-known fact.

Well, I've certainly heard allegations of it happening, but it is far from a well known fact. There has thus far never been any evidence or charges brought. I have heard similar allegations against Israel over time, such as that they kidnap and harvest the organs of Palestinian children (reported on by sweden's largest paper.) Do you also believe that? How about that Jews require the blood of virgins to make Matzoh? That was reported on the news in Egypt.

My biggest problem with your statements is not whether individual acts of violence occurred. They did. It is your willingness to typify a large group of people according the the actions of a very select few. "They believe this... they want to do that... they ALL do this... etc." coupled with words like "mow down...and parasites" are terms that are usually used to dehumanize enemies. Aside from not being true, I wonder what makes you think that you are qualified to weigh in on the motivations of someone who lives in an environment so vastly different from your own. Do you have direct experience with this? Do you know a few hundred settlers from all over? Did you head up some kind of study?

Also, "psycho" was correct. It is short for "psychopathic" not "psychotic." But homocidal is probably much more accurate anyway, if we weren't using the term psycho as slang, which I figured we were.

[Violet_Crumble]

13. You should have added 'as far as I'm aware'...

So far, this has happened once. In the history of Israel. But you bet a "good portion" of them are just like that?

When it comes to settlers murdering Palestinian civilians, there's been far more than just one instance. Moshe Levinger murdered a store owner in Hebron, there was an ambush of a family where a child was murdered, and if you wanted me to, I can give you more examples of unarmed civilians being mowed down by extremist settlers...

[Crunchy Frog]

15. Oh good. Extremist settlers and the IDF moving the single state solution foreward.

I hope that in the long run they'll be happy in their single state which they are making inevitable.