British bishop: Israel asking for trouble

[DuctapeFatwa]

The Bishop of Durham, the Right Reverend Tom Wright, told a British newspaper on Monday that he was deeply concerned by Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people and called on the Sharon government to work harder to finding a peacful solution to the conflict.

"I'm not anti-Israel," he told the Independent.

"But when I see what's been done to the Palestinians over the past 50 years, I say, 'Well I'm sorry, but if you put people behind barbed wire, keep them caged, take their land despite international resolutions, and bulldoze their homes, you are asking for trouble.'"

"This is not in any way to excuse or exonerate the horror and enormity of suicide bombing," Wright was reported as saying. "It is just to say that if you squeeze people that tight sooner or later they'll do drastic things.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C28D9CD8-025C-408C-9FB5-BC5D8D0DEA58.htm

[burythehatchet]

1. ANTISEMITE!!!

ANTISEMITE!!!
ANTISEMITE!!!
ANTISEMITE!!!

:bounce:

[Jim Sagle]

2. Stick yer threats, bishop.

[newyorican]

3. The Internet sure can make one...

brave.

[GabysPoppy]

15. Another example of

those genuinely interested in discussion.

[lefty_mcduff]

4. Heh - ya sure showed that uppity Bishop.

And who said the art of debate is dead...

[Jim Sagle]

5. Sounds like something m cubed would say.

[SwellGround]

6. What is up with all this aljazeera anti-semite crap lately?

Israel is asking for an end to the suicide bombs and the killing of their children. The terrorists and aljazeera trouble makers are the ones that need to regroup their feces.

[Darranar]

10. How is this anti-semitic?

[SwellGround]

7. Hey Bishop, if you blow up innocents you are "asking for trouble".

Maybe this anti-semite aljazeera mouthpiece has not figured out the reality of the problem yet.

[drewb]

8. oh....

:nopity:

[SwellGround]

9. No Pity indeed

If not pity then what do the victims and survivors get from you when their body parts are plastered on the bus windows and pizza pans after a "freedom fighter" lights his or her fuse and doesn't get away?

[drewb]

14. The victims of suicide bomb attacks get my pity.

And the people that are so without hope that they feel they have no recourse but to conduct such atttacks get my pity.

I'm for peace. I like all people.

I think it is horrible the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians, but I don't condone suicide bomb attacks. The Palestinians should obviously try another tactic if they are serious about living in peace with Israelis. This spiraling death dance that they are engaged in will ultimately produce two losers and no winners.

[Cassandra]

11. Bishop Wright, asking for trouble

""But when I see what's been done to the Palestinians over the past 50 years, I say, 'Well I'm sorry, but if you put people behind barbed wire, keep them caged, take their land despite international resolutions, and bulldoze their homes, you are asking for trouble.'""

When I see what was done to the Jews over thousands of years; the pogroms and expulsions, including by the Church in England. If you put people behind barbed wire in concentration camps, use them as slave labor and then kill them while the world looks on and does mostly nothing, take their land, avoid bulldozing their homes only because you want to steal their property intact....you might be surprised that Jews just wanted a safe haven from the rest of the world. They didn't rampage throughout Europe blowing up everything in site, however justified that might have seemed at the time. They just thought it was time for a country of their own which couldn't and wouldn't refuse them asylum in their hour of need. If, during WWII, the Jewish people had had even one one hundredth of the sympathy now offered to the Palestinians, this would be a very different planet than the one I know.

[meti57b]

12. Well said and right on!!!

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. It is nearly 350 years since Jews were allowed back in England

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=895&letter=C

Here's the original article:

Of Israel, he says: "I agree with the millions of Jews around the world, and tens of thousands in Israel - some of whom I know from teaching at the Hebrew University - who grieve at what some Jews in Israel led by Ariel Sharon are doing. I'm not anti-Israel but when I see what's been done to the Palestinians over the past 50 years, I say, 'Well I'm sorry, but if you put people behind barbed wire, keep them caged, take their land despite international resolutions, and bulldoze their homes, you are asking for trouble'.

"This is not in any way to excuse or exonerate the horror and enormity of suicide bombing. It is just to say that if you squeeze people that tight sooner or later they'll do drastic things. There must be better ways to achieve peace than the road taken by the government of Ariel Sharon."

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=476650

[Cassandra]

24. Damned decent of them

"It is just to say that if you squeeze people that tight sooner or later they'll do drastic things. There must be better ways to achieve peace than the road taken by the government of Ariel Sharon.""

My point was that Jews were squeezed a lot harder than that, yet they didn't resort to suicide bombings. Maybe because Jews were and are more concerned with living than with dying.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

16. Islam not as tolerant as us: cardinal...

Too many Islamic countries treat their Christian minorities as second-class citizens, barring church building, while Western states let their Muslims build mosques freely, a senior Vatican official has said.

...

"There are too many majority Muslim countries where non-Muslims are second-class citizens," said Cardinal Tauran, the church's top diplomat for 13 years before he had to step aside when he was made a cardinal.

Stressing the need to respect minorities, he singled out "the extreme case of Saudi Arabia, where freedom of religion is violated absolutely - no Christian churches and a ban on celebrating Mass, even in a private home".

"Just like Muslims can build their houses of prayer anywhere in the world, the faithful of other religions should be able to do so as well," he said.

Leading church figures are increasingly worried about Muslim-Christian friction in Africa and the Middle East. Another concern is the often difficult integration of Muslim minorities in traditionally Christian Europe.

La Civilta Cattolica, a Jesuit journal published with Vatican approval, said in October that Islam had had a "warlike face" throughout history. It charged Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Pakistan with discriminating against Christians.

...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/01/01/1072908856257.html

(I see your bishop and I raise you a cardinal)...

[DuctapeFatwa]

17. Your cardinal can kiss my Patriarch

The Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah, says that while both Israelis and Palestinians seek an end to war, the onus of violence belongs to the Israelis. "Truly, nobody, neither Israelis nor Palestinians, wants war and bloodshed," Patriarch Sabbah said Sunday at a pre-Christmas press conference in the Old City. He later added that the Israelis, however, are at fault. "The one who occupies the land of the other is more responsible," he said.

Sabbah, who called on Israel to withdraw from the territories and on Palestinians to make "intellectual" and "psychological" adjustments toward accepting peace, condemned the separation fence as useless. "The separation wall that is being erected is a measure that pushes peace further away, delaying peace until this same wall comes falling down. With its fall will also come crashing down hostility in the hearts and blood will stop flowing."

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/374818.html

[cantwealljustgetalong]

19. now, now...

leave the hanky panky out of this...

[bemildred]

18. LOL.

I don't want to be in the position of defending the
twits in Saudi Arabia, but there is a good deal of irony
in the notion of the Vatican whining about intolerance and
claiming that Islam "has had a warlike face" throughout
history, and this irony will not be lost on the little black
and brown peoples of the World.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

20. but, it is useful to get that mental action thing going on...

"This information is actually food for your mental autonomy, which processes the information. If you are inflamed by it, that IS your mental autonomy at work.

Someone else might read the same thing and merely nod in agreement.

Others might become thoughtful, and get a little mental autonomy action going on somewhere it had not been. Option C is always the one I hope for."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=43005#43296

[bemildred]

21. So you agree with Mr. Fatwa?

I found that a bit incoherent, as I said at the time.
But opinions might vary.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

22. no...

I agree with you...

[bemildred]

23. Excellent. nt