Child sacrifice

[drdon326]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1079410302969&p=1006953079865

Israel was shaken Monday. It wasn't because of a terrorist atrocity actually perpetrated, but because of one thankfully preempted. Front pages were dominated by the story of 11-year-old Abdullah Quran, who carried a powerful bomb in his schoolbag, replete with a load of metal pellets and other assorted bits of hardware calculated to rip through human flesh. When they opened the bag, soldiers found, alongside the explosives, the boy's Spiderman doll.

Abdullah wasn't merely a courier. He was, unknowingly, a guided missile. A cellphone connected to the 10-kilo bomb he lugged was primed to detonate the bomb by remote control, if his dispatcher considered it expedient.

The boy told the border policewoman whose suspicions he aroused that someone promised him "lots of money" if he took the heavy backpack through the IDF checkpoint outside of Nablus. Had the precocious smuggler succeeded, the contraband would have been set off in an Israeli bus or similar crowded civilian target.

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This is not "just" child abuse, but child sacrifice. It is almost as if Palestinian terrorists are trying to reach new depths of war crimes, matched only by previous uses of ambulances and pregnant women to carry out terrorist attacks. Bombs have been transported in Palestinian ambulances, at times under stretchers bearing children apparently writhing in pain or women ostensibly in labor. Only recently did a weeping Gaza woman, claiming to have a prosthetic leg, blow herself up, killing the very soldiers who helped her when her bomb set off a metal detector.

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This is sadly true .....these are new depths of war crimes.

Perhaps the ICJ will investigate?? I think you know the answer.

[BEZARK]

1. Nonsense.

This is not "just" child abuse, but child sacrifice.
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Only if it were planned to explode the bomb while the child were present, which clearly is not the case, or perhaps if there were extraordinary risk. What propagandistic histrionics, "child sacrifice" indeed. And I'll bet if we were to dig through the history and memoirs of resistance movements we celebrate (say in Europe, in the early 40s) we would find at least a few similar accounts that we applaud.

[JohnLocke]

2. You have a narrow view of sacrifice.

Sacrifice implies more than simple physical destruction. It could signify mental or emotional ruin, as happens when one teaches another to hate and kill.

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[drdon326]

3. If I may....

from the article:

"However, the plan called for detonating the charge on the boy, if he were stopped. Indeed, as sappers handled his bag's contents, someone dialed the cellphone trigger. A technical failure prevented the death of the child and many of those around."

[BEZARK]

5. Pretty disgusting, if true

"However, the plan called for detonating the charge on the boy, if he were stopped. Indeed, as sappers handled his bag's contents, someone dialed the cellphone trigger. A technical failure prevented the death of the child and many of those around."
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But still, how does one know what "the plan called for." One knows only what happened, unless someone else were captured and confessed.

I constantly see selective and unsupported (in the rigorous, or even the preponderance of evidence sense) interpretations used by partisan in arguments (from news conferences, to articles, to simple statements). Is ANYONE interested in reality?

Let me give a made-up example related to the big bomb that went off in the crowded Baghdad market during the war (Dub's liars in uniform said it would be investigated but so far as I can tell it never was, so suspicion at least might lie in the direction that it was one of our missiles, as the Iraqis claimed but we denied). Iraqis, with far more evidence as presented above (the bomb went off, not just the maybe self-serving hearsay testimony from Israeli military), could interpret that we program our missiles so if they miss their targets they fly into the middle of the city to hit at least something. They DO make claims like that with other bombings. Do you believe them? Not likely. They why swallow other hyperbole or an enemy's testimony here? (I'm using the non-specific general "you" here, not you particularly.)

[JohnLocke]

6. Well, gee, don't know what someone would do with a bomb.

I dunno...blow someone up? :shrug:

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. I would give this week's pay

For 15 minutes with the guy who placed that bomb on that boy.

[BEZARK]

9. I think it's inexcusable

It just isn't child sacrifice (though there is hearsay evidence from unreliable sources that there was an attempt at it, which main evidence the first poster somehow overlooked in the pronouncement).

And I would lay money on there being accounts from the early history of Israel (just before independence) of lads now celebrated as brave and heroic being used dangerously to carry explosives.

I guess I bear the burden of not being on one side of the I/P conflict. I care about reality more than points, though I am sympathetic to the plights of Palestinian people as the present-day underdog.

(BTW: In a written forum, does it not seem odd that word or expression meanings seem to matter little, even those for words or expressions used prominently?)

See ya. I'll find a more literal discussion.

[Muddleoftheroad]

10. Ah, moral relevancy rears its ugly head

There is just a wee bit of difference between carrying a weapon and BEING A WEAPON.

[xchrom]

11. you exercise your own brand of moral relevancy

every one does.
no one has the high ground.

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. People who fight those who turn 11-year-olds into bombs

have the high ground.

[The Traveler]

12. OK ... but I'm next in line

I'm right there with ya, dude.

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. He didn't know it

THAT is child sacrifice.

[drdon326]

13. In light of this...

perhaps we should update the rules given this situation:

Do not call Palestinians "terrorists" unless you are actually talking about people who blow up cafes or busses filled with civilians.....
OR people who bribe 11 years olds to act as "mules" to deliver bombs
and should that fail blow the kid and anyone around him into a couple
of million pieces.

i'm glad nothing happened to the kid.

[bemildred]

15. Well, I must say this concern for the welfare of Palestinian

children is to be commended, and I hope we will see more of it.
From some other threads one might get the idea that some consider
them a surplus commodity. With enough protection, nourishment,
and education it might be possible to raise the future leaders
of a free, independent, and peaceful Palestinian state.

[Muddleoftheroad]

16. I hope that happens

And I wish the Arab world good luck funding such a concept.