Ayoon wa Azan (Daniel Pipes)

[Resistance]

http://english.daralhayat.com/column/08-2003/Article-20030818-14baf421-c0a8-01ed-0079-6e1cbf4b4c9f/story.html


Can there be anyone lower and filthier than Ariel Sharon? I vote for Daniel Pipes, a radical Zionist who supports Sharon whenever possible.

I wouldn't have written about this sick American-Jew with all of history's grudges and illusions had President Bush not appointed him to become a member of the American Peace Institute board. In fact, it is a peculiar appointment, which Arab-American organizations, as well as Islamic and religious organizations, as well as liberal and moderate Jewish groups opposed, as they all are familiar with that man's ideas.

This man maintains the same radical attitude towards the Arabs and Muslims in general, as he accuses American Muslims of radicalism and says they will not stop until they carry out their plan by starting a second American revolution to impose Islamic law on the U.S. He also criticized President Bush when he said that Islam was a peaceful religion, and literally said, "All Muslims are, unfortunately, suspects." Then he said that 10 to 15 per cent of Muslims are radicals. This means that he is condemning hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the U.S., and around 150 million Muslims worldwide. According to Pipes, American armed men in the army or the security bodies or the diplomatic corps, "ought to be observed to uncover any relations with terrorism."

How did President Bush think of nominating such a lecherous to become a member of a peace institute? The answer lies in the parties supporting this radical racist, such as the Christian alliance, or the Zionist Christian groups, which supported his nomination, and so did the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, otherwise known as the Jewish lobby, not to mention the Jewish-American convention and the American Zionist Organization.

[tinnypriv]

1. Er, logical contradiction within 3 paragraphs

Pipes goes from being "appointed" to being "nominated".

[Resistance]

4. ah, good catch

It was actually an appointment, wasn't it?

[tinnypriv]

6. Yeah

Thank god for that, eh? :)

Can't see him being actually appointed. Even the Bush administration has a limit to their psychosis. Plus, I doubt if Bush even knows who the guy is - this has the fingerprints of Feith/Wolfowitz all over it.

[Fenris]

2. You should look for neocon Charles Krauthammer's defense of him

He wrote it in his column a few days ago. He actually defended Daniel Pipes and accused those wishing to block his nomination of creating a witch hunt. Which is ironic, because that's exactly what Pipes has been doing through campus watch and his assinine attempts to criticize liberal professors who don't particularly like Israel.

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Boy

You certainly are finding some hateful, despicable links today. Apparently this publication focuses on character assassination.

[Violet_Crumble]

5. Stop attacking the source and start discussing the topics...

Character assassination??? Now we're going to see you defending that fascist Pipes as an all-round-nice-guy??

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

7. Why?

When the sources are all so questionable.

[StandWatie]

8. if you know Pipes..

it's almost worthless trying to make up things he said since he does so well on his own.

[Muddleoftheroad]

9. I mean this

Then can we find some CREDIBLE sources about the guy? If he's that bad, it seems like it should be easy.

[StandWatie]

10. Harkin's statement on him..

http://www.aaiusa.org/pipes_harkin.htm

It's via the AAI :shrug:

have an interview-this was a report done by Mark Richardson that was in
the Ontario, Canada London Free Press in which Pipes was quoted as saying,
"I worry very much from the Jewish point of view that the presence and
increased stature, and affluence, and enfranchisement of American Muslims
will present true dangers to American Jews." Increased stature, affluence,
and enfranchisement. He is talking about the right to vote. The right to
vote.

The writer says, "Mr. Pipes makes is no distinction between Islamism and
Islam. So I e-mailed Pipes for clarification and he was good enough to
respond." From Mr. Pipes, "As the number of Muslims increases in Western
countries, those countries are going to become more Muslim in nature, and
that will inevitably be to the detriment of some elements. I was speaking
to a Jewish audience. I would make the same point to audiences of women,
gays, civil libertarians, Hindus, evangelical Christians, among others, all
of whom face similar true dangers as the number of Muslims increases and
threaten their interests. For an example of a country that is experiencing
advanced problems along those lines, see my article about Denmark at
www.danielpipes.org Article 450."

The writer says, so I did. In his New York Post article Pipes says, among
other things, "Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people
but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially
combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are
non-Muslim." This is Daniel Pipes' writing, not mine. This is his
writing. "This is not a pleasant fact to point out," Pipes noted in
closing, "but all concerned are better off dealing with the truth and not
hiding from it."

The writer goes on to say, "not so fast. No one can blame minorities for
feeling threatened, but that applies to Islamic minorities too. I suspect
that the root cause of the problems Pipes associates with Muslim
immigration are the very lack of stature, affluence, and enfranchisement
that he fears."

Another writer went on to point out that the stats he pointed out about
Denmark are really not true. So somehow this was made out of whole cloth,
that Muslims make up 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up
a majority of their convicted rapists. These are inflammatory statements
made by Daniel Pipes to invoke controversy. But again, I hope you can see
that someone like this on the Institute of Peace is going to draw more fire
around him.

Harkin is very politely pointing out that he is a racist propagandist.

[QuietStorm]

32. you are so nimble

with this stuff:thumbsup:. I thought this was common knowledge about Pipes along with whom he peddles for.

[QuietStorm]

31. Have you tried

to cross reference the source. Are you aware of Pipes standing within the PNACer hierarchy? And his little witch hunt he conducts along the lines of Santorim's proposed cultural diversity legislation. What is so questionable about this source in your estimation?

[rini]

12. I have read Daniel Pipe's

commentaries and articles. Not once did I find him to be anti-Arab or anti-Muslem. He is however an uniquivical champion of truth. 99% of all Muslems are not terrorists, but 99% of all terrorists are Muslem. That's reality. He wants to work with moderate Muslems and Israelis in order to find a just and lasting peace, not eliminate people or lie like Dr. Edward Said. He does not suffer fools gladly.

[newyorican]

13. "He does not suffer fools gladly"

Logical condradiction in one sentence, in 6 words no less.

[rini]

21. even in New York

people must understand a common usage phrase. Presuming you are an American of course. If not it is an old say meaning short temper for idiots!

[newyorican]

25. Oh yes, presuming I'm American is *a good thing*

Pipes is an unrepentant bigot. Those that would idolize him are making a similar statement.

FYI Puerto Ricans are US citizens. Not that it matters in my case as I am born and bred in NY.

[rini]

28. Where

in the world did the PR thing come from? You don't know me or where I was born, or if I am a PR or not, so get off it!

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

29. "He does not suffer fools gladly"

Again, do you ever fail to not contradict yourself?

I can see why you are so familiar with the saying...directed towards you a few times?

[Herschel]

17. Agreed my friend

He is apparently not in style with some. Oh, my.

[StandWatie]

18. Pipes is an ass

If anyone in the US droned on and on about the inherent evil of Jews the way he has made a career out of doing about Muslims they would be lucky to get a column in David Duke's newspaper much less have a job at the Post and a nomination to a sort of "peace" position.

If I want to read a critique of Islam I go to Rushdie or some other heretic, if I want to read a critique of Judaism I pick up Israel Shahak, etc.. There should be massive alarm bells going off when someone of a different set of Invisible Superpeople makes a career out of demonizing his religious adversaries.

I'm glad Pipes makes sweet noises in your echo chamber of Islamophobia but don't mistake it for the truth.

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

20. Any facts to back up this "uniquivical" crap

"He is however an uniquivical champion of truth. 99% of all Muslems are not terrorists, but 99% of all terrorists are Muslem"

In columbia, the us, in quebec, mexico, japan, spain, sri lanka...

shall I go on.

Oh, is it that it only registers when Jews die with you?

[rooboy]

24. What a pile of utter crap.

". 99% of all Muslems are not terrorists, but 99% of all terrorists are Muslem"

A line taken straight from the right wing website www.muslimterrorists.com

[QuietStorm]

34. you are kidding right?

He is extremely anti-arab. How do you measure this sort of thing? I mean what would constitute for you anti-arab sentiment? What is your gauge?

[QuietStorm]

35. lie like

Edward Said? Hello! what planet are you beaming down from? I guess than you would agree with Pipes organization campus-watch.org than that Said is a anti-Semite, rather than someone who speaks for and of the dignity of his people and his culture. When has Said lied? Please do you have a source I would be most interested to see what it is you consider one of Said's lies?

[bemildred]

11. Here, Pipes in his own words, enjoy:

http://www.danielpipes.org/art/year/all

I particularly like this one:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1148

[Muddleoftheroad]

14. First off, thanks

I read the article that you said you liked. What do you have a problem with? (And, no, it's not balanced, it's opinion.) But do you disagree with his assessment or his historical citations or what?

[bemildred]

15. You are welcome.

What do you have a problem with?

I dislike fundies of all stripes, political and religious.
These "Christian Zionists" combine both.


But do you disagree with his assessment or his historical
citations or what?


No. He's a bit selective, but who is not?

---

Mr. Pipes reminds me of William Bennett (the gambler) in that
he confuses his own opinions and predilections with the rules by
which the universe runs. I find the fact that Mr. Bush wants him
badly enough to use a recess appointment quite indicative.

[Muddleoftheroad]

16. Your comments are mild compared to the other stuff

I can see you disagreeing with his world view and I'd be suspicious of my own mother if she got a recess appointment.

But the big thing he is saying in that article seems to be that the Christian support of Israel is not new. That's not a revelation, if you'll pardon the pun.

BTW, for your input:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=205669

[bemildred]

19. I try to respond in kind.

Indeed, Xtian support of Zionism is not new. The current political
form of it in the USA, however, is a bit different from past versions,
and the popular conception of who the parties are in the region and
what the dispute is about and so on have changed over time, too.

Evangelical Xtian fundamentalism in the present form originated in the
USA in the late nineteenth century, if I what I have read is right,
so it antedates the origins of Zionist thought.

WRT your thread on how to fix it, I don't think it's fixable
at present, so I don't have much to say there, although your
list covers fairly the current public positions, with exceptions
pointed out by others.

It appears to me that, to at least some in the Palestinian ranks,
it is not so much that they want to come and live in Israel, it is
that they want their rights recognized and negotiated in a fair
process, fair in this case meaning where power is somewhat equally
distributed. They don't want to be dictated to.

I suspect that if the GOI chose to work to give them the warm-puppy
feeling about their rights and full status as human beings, a large
number of them would become quite reasonable about the whole business.
They might even get with the program about stopping the "terrorists"
if they felt they had something to lose. I consider this to be
unlikely at present.

[bemildred]

22. My mistake.

Should be "postdates".

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. Per your comments

I too fear that it is not fixable currently.

There appears to be no one on either side with the charisma and the guts to make it happen.

[QuietStorm]

37. I agree with your assessment wholeheartedly one question...

what does WRT stand for and I probably should take the time to access the thread he gave you that you are basing your assessment on, but at this point I haven't yet.

[bemildred]

40. WRT - With Regard To

IIRC - If I Remember Correctly
OTOH - On The Other Hand
BTW - By The Way

[rini]

26. The

problem is you refuse to see what he is saying, nothing in the least anti-Arab or anti-Muslem, I think as Americans we need to face the cold hard truth, this is not about religion. Ironically not really about land, but about cultures. Not just ours and theirs, it is also about fanaticism vs moderation in the Islamic world as well as ours. I may not agree with all his solutions, but if we don't stop putting our heads in the sand leaving our butts up in the air, I need to shop for a burka.

[Violet_Crumble]

27. Thank you, Samuel Huntington...

I got a real clash of civilisations buzz happening after reading that. Uh, Pipes solution is Campus Watch, a fascist, McCarthyistic group....

Why would you need to shop for a burka? Is that some sort of clumsy way of trying to tell us you honestly think the US will be over-run by darn Muslims?

Violet...

[rini]

30. Pipes

Thank G-d he has been appointed!

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

33. Um, if this was any more obvious

here for one thing only

[Violet_Crumble]

39. You should thank Bush, not some fictitious entity...

We all know that Bush doesn't have the first clue as to what peace is, which explains his appointing a fascist like Pipes to the board of a peace insitute, but what's yr excuse for supporting it? If yr too busy firing off a congratulatory email to Bush to answer, I'll try to get over my sadness at not getting an answer from you ;)

Violet...

[QuietStorm]

38. LOL LOL LOL

Thank you Samuel Huntington. Beautiful. Campus watch also acts upon that Santorim proposed cultural diversity legislation which called for exactly this type of watching of US campus' under the guise of monitoring anti-semitism as it correlates to hate incident. I feared at the time that bit of legislation would in fact open the door to McCarthyism. Pipes found a way to front it so well many might be fooled into thinking it really is a Middle Eastern Study site.

As to the Santorim legislation I have been meaning to follow that up since I stumbled acrossed Pipe's little blacklisting operation. Frightening it is really.

[Classical_Liberal]

41. So you don't think lying is about most rapist in Denmark

being muslim is bigoted? You don't think wanting all mosques to be investigated is bigoteted? What is your problem?

[QuietStorm]

36. the christian zionists are indeed a most dangerous influence

"in Washington than are the Jewish Zionists. Put positively: other than the Israel Defense Forces, America's Christian Zionists may be the Jewish state's ultimate strategic asset"

sure! until it comes time to convert all the jews in their effort to make them "better jews"!

What a testament to his idiocy that article is.