Witnesses: IAF missile injures Jihad militant in Rafah

[Gimel]

An explosion tore through a house in Rafah after nightfall Thursday, wounding Mohammed Sheikh al-Khalil, an Islamic Jihad militant wanted by Israel over his alleged involvement in an attack that killed five soldiers in the refugee camp in May, residents said.

Three other people were wounded in the blast, which witnesses said occurred after an Israeli drone had flown by. According to other reports, the blast occurred after an IAF helicopter fired a missile, Israel Radio reported.
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On Wednesday, the IDF delayed evacuating three caravans erected at Giv'at Assaf, an illegal outpost situated between the settlements of Beit El and Ofra.

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According to settlers, the land where the caravans stand was legally purchased from Palestinian owners, in a bid to erect a new outpost in the event that the nearby one, Givat Assaf was ever evacuated.

Binyamin Council Chairman Pinchas Wallerstein said the Israel Lands Administration has refused to document the land purchase, despite having received all the legal paperwork.
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[babylon_system]

1. The Israeli military is illegally occupying Palestinian territory

and committing war crimes by firing missiles into civilian areas. Israeli soldiers are legitimate targets. Palestinian civilians are not legitimate targets and the IDF labelling their victims as "militants" or "terrorists" does not change the fact that they are slaughtering civilians in civilian areas under their military control. Since they are occupying the terriitory, they have the obligation to use legal measures to arrest and try suspects. Summary execution by missiles fired from US-supplied Apache helicopters is not a legal measure. It is an act of terrorism and a war crime. It has teh effect of radicalizing the occupied population and will result in retaliatory attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians.

Israel's behavior is a reflection on the United States, their main supporter. Israel's past atrocities led to 9/11 and their continued war crimes against the Palestinian people will lead to further attacks against Americans.

END THE DUAL OCCUPATION. FREE PALESTINE. FREE IRAQ.

[Nadav]

2. You are totally off base and incorrect

"Israel's behavior is a reflection on the United States, their main supporter. Israel's past atrocities led to 9/11 and their continued war crimes against the Palestinian people will lead to further attacks against Americans"


Why that still needs debunking is beyond me.

[babylon_system]

3. Welcome to DU!! Why don't you contribute something to the discussion

Instead of just the usual Israeli denials. If you think you can refute the most obvious facts, be my guest. This should be interesting.

The Muslim world (and much of the rest of the world) is furious at Israel and the grotesque and barbaric ethnic cleansing that the Jewish state metes out to the Palestinians. This is stated repeatedly from every government in the Mideast and beyond and is given as one of the top three justifications by captured al-Qaeda members and in their public communiques. Here is one example from a source even an Israeli can trust, the ADL:

http://www.adl.org/terrorism_america/bin_l.asp
The following are excerpts from the transcript of the most recent videotape of Osama bin Laden. As in previous statements, bin Laden is shown making repeated references to an American "crusade" against Islam. He claims the brand of terrorism carried out by operatives of his Al Qaeda network against America is "a good accepted terrorism" with the goal of ending U.S. support for Israel, "who is killing our children." The pan-Arabic satellite channel Al-Jazeera broadcast the video on December 26, 2001

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"Our terrorism is a good accepted terrorism because it's against America, it's for the purpose of defeating oppression so America would stop supporting Israel, who is killing our children."

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May 1997 - Bin Laden reaffirmed his call for a holy war against Americans. "The US Government has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal through its support of the Israeli occupation of Palestine"

etc etc

[Nadav]

4. Well if Al-Jazeer said it

It must be true. Sorry, it is hard to have a meaningful discussion with someone who seems so consumed by hatred, but thank you anyway for the welcome.

[babylon_system]

10. al-Jazeera never entered the dicussion until you brought it up

Care to dispute the ADL?
Again, you offered nothing of substance to the discussion. Israeli atrocities are real and continuing. If the victims of Israeli atrocities are consumed with hatred for Israel and the US, don't blame the victims.

[Nadav]

15. It was in your post

not in the original post

[babylon_system]

16. al-Jazeera was quoted as a source of info by the ADL

I guess you can't even trust the ADL. The JEWISH ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE!
Looks like you are the one so full of hate and blind bigotry that discussing any issues with you is pointless.

[Nadav]

19. The ADL reported WHAT was on Al-Jazeer!!!!

Great comeback

[babylon_system]

21. So you think the ADL can't be trusted to document al-Qaeda motivations

Israeli atrocities have nothing to do with 9/11 despite what al-Qaeda says and the ADL documents. Right?

[Gimel]

5. Off hand

Bin Ladin's quotes and claims will do anything to discredit the US and Israel. That is known. Why anyone would believe them is beyond me. why anyone would take them for anything but attacks that are misleading is also incomprehensible.

The incident reported in the article is of a targeted attack which injured a wanted militant leader and killed no one.

It would be wiser to follow the progress of the peace negotiations and the relevant issues rather than reporting on bin Ladin's statements.

[Djinn]

8. so you don't think US support of Israel's continuing

occupation of the West Bank has ANYTHING to do with anti-US feeling in the Muslim world???

Bin Laden would detest the US regardless of it's ties to Israel but the MILLIONS of Muslims throughout the world who have bugger all in common with Bin Laden certainly DO see this as a reason to be suspiscious of the US - if you think that's not true and I can only presume that yuo don't speak to many Muslims.

[Gimel]

9. Many are suspicious

because they have a suspicious world-view. I can't change that, unfortunately.

They are suspicious of what is unknown to them.

Please don't PRESUME anything. Muslims in Israel benefit from US aid to Israel as much as the Jews do.

[babylon_system]

11. Israeli apologists cannot face the truth

They think they can do no wrong.

[Gimel]

17. Everyone can do wrong

If there is anyone with the "truth" it is his own truth. Facing the truth means understanding various viewpoints. Demanding human nature to set everything right when you damn well know that it has never been so ever in the world, but you demand that Israelis trust their enemies. They know them better than you do.

[babylon_system]

22. I never demanded that Israel trust their enemies

Israel is a racist state that needs to be reformed.

Playing philosophical games with the subjectivity of truth and reality is a very nice distraction while the brutal reality of Israel occupation continues, Jewish settlements expand like cancer on stolen lands, the Israeli military incarcerates and tortures thousands of Palestinians without charge, kills Palestinian civilians including pregnant women and children with US-supplied weaposn.

But of course, Israeli atrocities and US support for Israel have nothing to do with 9/11 and the global war between the US and the Muslim world. Israel can do no wrong. It is just trying to survive. If a few million Palestinians are killed, maimed, displaced, and forced to live under Jewish domination, that's just too bad. Remember teh Holocaust! Never again! never again for Jews, of course.
Truth is in the eye of the beholder. Or perhaps what you really meant is that Zionist Truth grows out of the barrel of an Israeli gun.

[Gimel]

25. Arafat

Domination under Arafat and the Arab media will sure get them a load of "truth". Incitement to violence has it's consequences.

[babylon_system]

12. Israel always claims their victims are militants and terrorists

That doesn't make it true.

[Gimel]

18. Keep your skepticism

It suits the armchair.

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[babylon_system]

13. What peace negotiations?

Maybe you confuse peace negotiations with Israeli missile attacks on Palestinian civilian areas using US-supplied weapons.

[Gimel]

6. Welcome, Nadav!

:toast: :toast:

[Nadav]

7. Thank you for the warm welcome

You made a fine point above.

[JohnLocke]

23. Welcome to DU, friend!

:yourock:

[Darranar]

14. I think you are blaming Israel too much and the US too little. n/t

[number6]

24. welcome to I/P world babylon_system

this place will blow your mind ;)