At least 12 dead in twin attacks on Be'er Sheva buses

[bemildred]

t least 12 people were killed and
dozens of others were wounded Tuesday
afternoon in two explosions within
minutes of each other on two buses in
the southern city of Be'er Sheva.

The television station of the
Lebanon-based Hezbollah organization
quoted Palestinian sources as saying
that the explosions were carried out by
suicide bombers.

The blasts occurred at around 2:50 P.M.
on Rager Boulevard, close to the city's
municipal building.

Police and emergency personnel were at
the scene soon after the blast.

Haaretz

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[tinnypriv]

2. Hopefully you don't mean

That this form of attack is "righteous".

[Flagg]

3. No more righteous than the 1982 Sabra and chatila massacre

by Ariel Sharon.

[tinnypriv]

9. Which of course is irrelevant

Of course that is putting aside the fact that the Sabra/Shatila massacres were not "by Ariel Sharon", but by the Christian and Maronite allies which he organised - a slight difference.

There is plenty of massacre that you can directly attribute to Ariel Sharon without inventing his participation in others.

[shadu]

13. What should the Palestinians do?

They have to fight back.

[Nadav]

14. And your suggestion

is to place a suicide bomber on a bus and hopefully kill and maim as many people as possible? Tell me again how that will bring people to a peace table?

[Vladimir]

4. Not only wrong and unjustified,

but it also won't achieve anything.

[Lithos]

5. Hate engendering more hate

And the cycle goes on...

My condolences to the families on the buses and the Palestinian families to be affected.

L-

[bemildred]

6. Indeed.

"If they shell us we've got to shell them." -- Jabba

I expect we will see some explosions in the territories soon too.
Surprised nobody has brought up the wall yet.

Edit: Oops, my apologies to Mr. Flagg.

[HuckleB]

7. Is there a reason why this story isn't in LBN?

At least I couldn't find it there, which I found to be incredibly bizarre. This is a huge story today. Granted, another tragedy among many, but still a huge story.

[bemildred]

15. I've seen three versions in different places, one in LBN.

I habitually put these here.

[HuckleB]

16. I found one in LBN later, doing a search, but it was locked...

with a note saying that it was being discussed here. It seems like this is the sort of thing that should be in LBN. Maybe it's just me. I dunno.

[bemildred]

17. It's not just you.

But that is sort of why I put it here to begin with.

[dArKeR]

8. A European friend sent me this today:

(In response to my email stating all the American Jewish people I've ever met, growing up with in Chicago, met on the West Coast, met is Asia would never support what Sharon is doing. The Jewish people I've met were the most liberal, fun, out going, good sense of humor, considerate, non-violent... people I've met. It sort of goes with what Michael Moore wrote in USA Today.)

My European friend said:

The trouble is that the diversity of the american public opinion isn't
projected worldwide by american medias, hollywood movies and US
corporations, let alone by american politicians. The world gets the
impression of America being a monolithic, almost stalinist state where it may be dangerous to speak out against Bush. To many europeans it looks like the former Soviet Union with a religious spin!

It leads to believe that as a democratic country whose leader is
"normally" elected by the people, the americans must fully agree with the huge and
unconditional support their country is giving to Israel (98 billions
dollars of financial help from 1948 to 2003 - half of America's aid to the
developing world). This is creating a great anger towards the US all
over the world.

Jews in Israel and in America or in any other country have every
reasons to worry : Sharon's policy of apartheid towards the palestinians will
ultimately lead them to disaster : israelis will finally be overwhelmed
by the masses of arab populations around them that have nothing to lose
(unless they kill them all).


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The GOP doesn't reflect America
In fact, the country is full of RINOs — Republicans In Name Only

By Michael Moore
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20040831/oplede31.art.htm
Israel is just a toy in Bush's hands. I guess he really cares no more
about the jews than about the palestinians.

[HuckleB]

10. Thanks for sharing.

Your European friend tells it like it is, in many circles, anyway -- at least in my experience. I think that his statements regarding our media portrayal around the world are backed up by my experiences when I've meet people from other countries who have also traveled in the states. They tend to refrain from overgeneralization by comparison, at least in my anecdotal experience. It appears that their experiences in the states have mitigated some of the media portrayal of us as a monolithic block of dunderheads.

And, while I generally agree that the majority of folks of Jewish descent and practice whom I know do closely resemble your description, I cannot say that all of them do. I have met more than my share of folks who empathize with and even support Sharon. Further, going back to my days as a counselor at the JCC summer camp in Phoenix, I have to admit to having met my share of folks who look upon Palestinians as second-class human beings at best. I was always startled by the large pictures in the JCC's main lobby. The photographs showed Jewish soldiers holding Uzis and other guns with big smiles on their faces. I don't want to speculate about these photos, adding meaning that may not be there, but they spooked the crap out of me.

Again, I think that this is a small minority of folks, but I think we have to acknowledge their existence as a part of this complex and ongoing history.

¡Salud!

[idontwantaname]

11. dont forget kerry has mirrored bush's position with israel...

i have met many many jews and isralies which disagree with sharon and his policies... theyre great people.

[Aidoneus]

12. this has already gotten more attention,

than the past dozen attacks on Gaza. I would think a doctor being wounded as his ambulance was fired on would be news, but I often guess wrongly about people, so..

Odd, B’ir Saba’ doesn't usually see much of this sort? Anyway--from al-Manar's latest reporting, it seems to be al-Qassam men out of al-Khalil. Hebron was then raided after the bombers were ID'd. I wonder, on the side, how a blown up corpse is ID'd to the point where the likely-aloof family can be so quickly punished, but that is neither here nor there. New reports say up to 17-18? dead now, may climb or drop depending on later and more exact counts and considerations towards condition of the injured.