Palestinian shown crushed by Israeli jeep

[Aidoneus]

Palestinian shown crushed by Israeli jeep
Friday 10 September 2004

Aljazeera has aired exclusive footage showing an Israeli military jeep crushing a Palestinian teenager under its wheels in the West Bank city of Ram Allah.

The video, which was aired on Friday, showed 18-year-old Muhammad Abd Allah Jad al-Haq being rolled over twice and left for dead while he was on his way home from the funeral of Amir Eidiya, a member of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades killed earlier in Jericho.

The vehicle fled from the scene after running over al-Haq.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A87D11E7-CED3-4009-BDA4-6503586AA589.htm

[OhioStateProgressive]

1. you do realize that al jazeera is mere propaganda?(nt)

[Violet_Crumble]

2. You do realise this did happen? (nt)

[OhioStateProgressive]

3. maybe it did

but let me ask you something...how many times have you been to israel, or Gaza and west bank, and how much of the terror from the Palestinians have you seen with your own eyes?

I have, and have seen it with my own two eyes

if the palestinians lay down their arms, stop making bombs, and give up the struggle, they have peace

[Violet_Crumble]

4. Not maybe. It definately did...

And I don't really give a toss if you've been to Israel 500 times. Do you have a point to make?

No, yr sorely mistaken if you think a cessation of all resistance would bring peace to the Palestinian people. Aren't you forgetting about Sharon, the settlements, and Israel's nasty habit of destroying Palestinian homes and lives?

on edit: this 'propaganda' was reported in the Jerusalem Post, btw...

Violet...

[OhioStateProgressive]

5. my point is that you are wrong

never mind the palestinians nasty habit of blowing up buses

ever watched a bus blow up?

[Violet_Crumble]

6. Of course I'm right....the incident happened...

What next? Will you maybe accuse JP of being anti-Israel propaganda and then for an encore claim most if not all Palestinians are busy plotting away waiting for their chance to carry out a suicide attack? But thank you for not urging me to take a trip to Israel. The US is next on my list of destinations, though I doubt my time in Washington DC is going to give me any great insight into Sept 11 and US foreign policy that I didn't already have :)

Violet...

[OhioStateProgressive]

7. what a load

one sided post modern thought is not giving you much insight...so maybe you might want to try something else

[Violet_Crumble]

8. I'm afraid it's not...

Maybe the something else I should try is a link to where JPost reports the incident that you claimed was propaganda?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1094700149381


I'm not quite getting why yr not believing this happened. Maybe a vacation in Israel will help me see the light on this ;)

Violet...

[OhioStateProgressive]

9. and again

it was no vacation

and i don't care if it did happen, the troops wouldn't be there if it weren't for terror

[Violet_Crumble]

10. You don't care if that incident happened?

uh, okay. Thanks for clearing that up....

And I hate to break the news, but I don't give a toss where you live or vacation, as it has zero to do with the topic of this thread. If you can make the connection for me, feel free to, but it's not making any sense at all right now...

Violet...

[OhioStateProgressive]

11. while you sit bravely out of range...

...and free to toss your opinions in the air, people are getting blown up in buses, and cafes...they are getting blown up by a certain group of people...and here's a hint-- the people doing the blowing up are palestinians

[Violet_Crumble]

12. What has my location got to do with anything?

Are you honestly trying to say that you believe people can't have an opinion on anything unless they're there? That everyone who lives in a particular place all share exactly the same opinion because they live there? That's a kind of silly way to look at the world...

You may not have noticed this, but suicide-bombings are very few and far between. What you may not have also noticed is the steady stream of Palestinian civilians being killed by the IDF carries on unabated....

Violet...

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[bemildred]

14. He doesn't seem to want to talk about the Jeep, Violet.

I think he feels that the Jeep doesn't exist, and even if it
does, it's a good Jeep, maybe it went astray, but on the whole
it's a good Jeep. We all know that the news media are filled
with fabrications and propaganda these days. No doubt this is
an egregious example of that. No doubt the fellow deliberately
threw himself under the Jeep to discredit it.

[OhioStateProgressive]

15. it ran over a terrorist, therefore i don't care

maybe that person shouldn't have been a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer

[bemildred]

16. Maybe he wasn't. How do you know? nt

[OhioStateProgressive]

17. um

"showed 18-year-old Muhammad Abd Allah Jad al-Haq being rolled over twice and left for dead while he was on his way home from the funeral of Amir Eidiya, a member of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades killed earlier in Jericho."

in case you missed it...


"...on his way home from the funeral of Amir Eidiya, a member of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades killed earlier in Jericho."

[bemildred]

18. "going to a funeral" == being a "terrorist of terrorist sympathizer"

Have you ever been to a funeral?
Did it mean you agreed politically with the deceased?
Do you only go to funerals for the politically like-minded?

[OhioStateProgressive]

19. well

I guess he shouldn't have gone to the funeral

[bemildred]

24. Then again, maybe that asshole should not have run over him. nt

[OhioStateProgressive]

25. maybe palestine shouldn't have made it a war zone (nt)

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[bemildred]

20. You don't feel that any legal process was needed?

Just summary execution by Jeep for going to a funeral?
What about the rule of law and all that?
Do we trot out the "war zone" blather to justify overlooking
these little legal niceties?
Killing an unarmed kid walking home from a funeral like a
dog in the street?
:puke:

[OhioStateProgressive]

21. it is a war zone

and the fact that it is a war zone is the palestinians fault...you want to throw blame around, blame the palestinian orgs that made it a war zone

[bemildred]

22. I was talking about the kid.

Did the kid make it a war zone?
Since it's a war zone, is it OK if random israelis
get killed there too, or is it only a war zone for
random Palestinian kids?

[OhioStateProgressive]

23. blame palestinians for it not israel(nt)

[bemildred]

26. What about the kid?

Was it the kids fault?
Do I get an answer about the kid, or is just going to be
all blame shifting? Is it Arafat's fault? Arafat wasn't
driving the Jeep. The Jeep driver was not being fired at.
He was just an asshole who ran somebody down.

[OhioStateProgressive]

28. the kid is a terrorist sympathizer(nt)

[bemildred]

30. That would be "was" as in "was a T. S.".

But clearly, since we are throwing logic over the side there
is no reason to quibble about syntax and grammar.

[Darranar]

32. So? He was not a combatant. n/t

[OhioStateProgressive]

33. well, it matters to those who think terrorism is evil

so therefore sympathizing is complicity

[Darranar]

34. Terrorism is evil, but sympathizing isn't complicity...

Should we start banning various thoughts and opinions because we don't agree with them?

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[OhioStateProgressive]

36. as if supporting palestinians doesn't make you the same(nt)

[laura888]

37. then please refute my analogy n/t

[Darranar]

38. So supporting a group of people makes someone a monster?

"Palestinian" is a broad category, including both guilty and innocent.

Why is it impossible to support Palestinian self-determination and advocate their welfare without supporting Palestinian terrorism?

[OhioStateProgressive]

39. hey, i was the one called a monster, ask the person who stated it first(nt

[Djinn]

40. self deleted

there really is no point arguing with someone with the mindset that the problems are ALL the fault of Palestinians, someone who completely ignores the complexities of the issue, I've got a nice wall here to bang my head against.

[number6]

41. yes, you are correct ....

"there really is no point arguing with someone with the mindset that the problems are ALL the fault of Palestinians,...."

this progresive-ohio dude or dude-ess is candidate for Ignore

[newyorican]

42. Well, this thread is an interesting exercise...

in cognitive dissonance.

Back to the Jeep incident, though (you know, the actual topic)...

I wonder if any identification can be discerned on the Jeep from the video. I'm sure there will be an "exhuastive" ivestigation, designed to exhaust anyone with actual questions about what happened.

I wonder if the driver of the Jeep has operated any bulldozers lately...

[tinnypriv]

43. Could have sworn

There was a decent picture of it in Hebrew Ma'ariv along with a report of the "preliminary" investigation, which said something like "there was stone throwing" and it was an "accident".

I can't search Ma'ariv on this computer though, but I will check later.