Some 15 Israeli youths attack Palestinian family in Jerusalem

[Scurrilous]

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/518369.html

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"Five Jewish 15-year-old girls are to appear before a judge on Thursday, on suspicion of having taken part in a violent attack by more than a dozen youths on a Palestinian family from East Jerusalem.

Some 15 Israeli youths, apparently ultra-rightists marking the end of a Jewish fast day, allegedly assaulted the family in Jerusalem late on Wednesday."

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"The youths encountered the family on their way back from circling the Temple Mount in a religious tradition celebrating the end of the fast of Tevet. They hurled stones at the family and then proceeded to beat up the father. They knocked him to the ground, causing light injuries. The attackers then stole the woman's purse.

A police officer called to the scene noticed the large number of attackers and immediately called for back-up. The officers who arrived apprehended five suspects, but the other ten were able to escape."

[itzamirakul]

1. But the Israelis alsways claim that it is all the Palestinian's fault....

including the home invasions and torture (that they taught American soldiers).

[Name removed]

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[MindPilot]

3. oh well that's very different then, carry on.

The victims were only Palestinians, not real people with the one true god, you know like Christians and Jews.

Stop trying to defend zionism, and go hunt some snipes.

[donco6]

8. He's gone to the great tombstone in the sky. eom

[Metrix]

4. I guess the terrorists are innocent until proven guilty

[el_gato]

5. If it were palestinians you would be calling them terrorists

[pelsar]

6. whos claiming its the palestenians fault?

the israelis (girls) who did this are now in hands of the police....and though they might get off easy this time.....soon they wont.....and the police and internal security are now watching them and their male counterparts

[pelsar]

17. excuse my ignorence..

including the home invasions and torture (that they taught American soldiers).
and i'm relativly new here..but are these comments the norm?

[Englander]

19. Who was the tutor & who was the student-US/Israel torture....

Israel: Briefing for the Committee Against Torture
May 2002

Amnesty International is concerned that not only have the Israeli authorities ignored the November recommendations of the Committee against Torture, but also that in every area of concern outlined by the Committee, the Israeli authorities have continued and intensified implementation of policies which amount to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment against Palestinians from the Occupied Territories.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE15075200

The Israeli Torture Template

With mounting evidence that a shadowy group of former Israeli Defense Force and General Security Service (Shin Bet) Arabic-speaking interrogators were hired by the Pentagon under a classified "carve out" sub-contract to brutally interrogate Iraqi prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, one only needs to examine the record of abuse of Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners in Israel to understand what Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld meant, when referring to new, yet to be released photos and videos, he said, "if these images are released to the public, obviously its going to make matters worse."

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html

Israel admits torture

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/637293.stm


Detention and Torture
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/151.shtml

[pelsar]

24. Englander...try to be serious....

your "torture template" article is full of maybes, perhaps, evidence points to...
Although it is still largely undocumunted.....

this is a great sentence:

Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation.....

You've got to be kidding! speculation has led to more speculation!
I mean if you want to be taken seriously those type of articles simply dont do it.

the others are based on reliable israeli sources which show the israeli govt attempting to police itself and attempting to employ some civil rights during wartime towards a hidden enemy-a very difficult task, but to be criticized as well as commended.

[Englander]

28. "Being taken seriously"..........

Hey,dude,I'll choose ridicule rather than be "taken seriously" by some-one who includes the word "commended" in a discussion dealing with torture.

[Forkboy]

29. "to be criticized as well as commended."

That line may sum up the situation better than anything I've ever heard.

In other words,both sides are fucked.

[The Magistrate]

21. Unfortunately, Mr. Pelsar

They are not uncommon.

There are people who seem to labor under the delusion that young citizens of my country need to be taught cruelty, that they lack either the impulse of it or any occassions to practice at it, and certainly have no tradition of it. Thus, practices common in the Indian and Phillipine wars, in Korea, in Viet Nam, and in every prison in operation within our borders, are magically discovered at the whim of a "Counter-Punch" contributor to have been newly minted and freshly taught to our innocent young apple-cheeked and corn-fed lads, and taught by that sinister font of all that is evil anywhere in this world, the state of Israel....

"There is a Hidden Hand in the world's affairs."

[Englander]

33. "I would be an arse,Sir,to suggest that the invention of torture..

as a tool of interrogation coincided with the creation of the State of Israel,just you would be an arse to suggest that Israel has not practised these techniques for decades.

Concerning the latest variety of torture,that which leaves skin,nails & bones intact,what are the origins of that? The "stress & duress"(the prolonged stress positions,the hooding,the extreme of temperatures,the white noise,&tc),the torture designed to leave no scars,the "torture-lite"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uses_of_torture_in_recent_times

[The Magistrate]

35. These, Too, Are Very Old, Sir

It is really not possible to trace origions through the millenia-long practice of the art. The only truely new wrinkle consist in methods involving e;lectricity, since that has only been available to human ingenuity got a bit more than a century....

[number6]

7. more terrorism by Israeli's

"15 Israeli youths attack Palestinian family in Jerusalem"

[The Magistrate]

9. This Is, Sir, An Outrageous Event

We may spare the "innocent until proven guilty" pieties in discussing it, though of course they must be preserved in court. It is one more indication of the pernicious effect of the "ultra" parties on Israeli life, and the situation in the area in general. The fact is that these parties inculcate in their adherents, particularly their more youthful adherents, a commitment to and a desire for general violence against any Arab that is hateful and destructive in the extreme.

[Igel]

10. Too true; t'is outrageous.

But at the very least some consideration must be given to the fact that, at a minimum, lipservice is being paid to Justice: the youthful offenders have been rousted by the local constabulary and will, no doubt, be indicted and tried.

I would hasten to compare this with the situation in other none too distant locales, in which similar youths, although of a different theological persuasion, would neither be expected to survive the attack they were perpetrating, nor would be threatened with prolonged confinement by their co-religionists; on the contrary, it is well nigh expected that people would set up graven--or at the very least, printed--images of these young transgressors' visages for contemplation and edification.

Edited to smite a comma errant.

[The Magistrate]

11. We Will See What Kind Of Sentences They Draw, Sir

The fact remains that rightist parties in Israel inculcate violence quite conciously in their youthful adherents, and the practice is a destructive one, that brings no benefit to the state oor polity of Israel.

"Have you heard the one about the dog who finally caught the bus...?"

[Igel]

12. And for that, sir, they should be roundly castigated.

But it's a tough neighborhood. ;-)

[pelsar]

13. they'll probably get off light

but then this is just the beginning, as the religious fanatics slowly show their "true colors" ...its gonna get worse

[Paleocon]

26. No, I haven't heard that one...

Let Dr Don tell it though, he's so good at telling jokes!

:silly:

[catbert836]

14. See? Israelis are more of a danger to the Peace Process.

And it's funny how almost every Israeli supporter on this board goes to the great "Tombstone in the Sky".
On Edit: Maybe we should start writing all their names down for a memorial? There seems to be a lot of them.

[pelsar]

15. cant tell the difference?

Im assuming that you are making a joke.....trying to compare a bunch of fanatical kids roughing up a family (no matter how immoral) and subsequently arrested by the police to that of a different bunch of kids opening up on a family with an AK-47 is a bit absurd.

this kind of remark always makes me wonder

[drdon326]

16. Really ??

"And it's funny how almost every Israeli supporter on this board goes to the great "Tombstone in the Sky"."

Glad you think thats FUNNY and that you enjoy that. I suspect youre not alone...in fact I am damned sure of it.

And why do you think that "every Israeli supporter on this board goes to the great "Tombstone in the Sky??

[newyorican]

22. Because they break the rules...

Duh.

[Forkboy]

31. Actually they just go back to CU

where they came from in the first place :shrug:

[Igel]

34. What's CU? n/t

[Forkboy]

36. ConservativeUnderground

[drdon326]

18. Don't hide now....you made the statement....

.

[Jim Sagle]

20. cat's got his tongue...

[Jim Sagle]

23. Luckily for us the mods are more fair-minded than you think they are.

[QueerJustice]

25. I dont understand why you would think that?

The Democratic party in the USA is a great supporter of Israel and most people here are Democratic party supporters as I am assuming you are...


...so whats YOUR excuse?

[jellybelly]

27. some prefer to support peace and not individual sides

[Forkboy]

30. blasphemer!

:spank:

<sarcasm>

[Walt Starr]

32. Pretty much proves to me, both sides teach hate and both sides are

responsible for the escalating violence and nothing will be done until both sides realizxe this and take appropriate action.