Small town in southeastern Brazil to honor Yasser Arafat

[bemildred]

SAO PAULO, Brazil - The New Year's Eve celebrations in the small community of Paraiba do Sul will honor a figure the town's mayor says hasn't been honored anywhere else in the West - the late Yasser Arafat.

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``It is the first time a memorial in Arafat's honor has been built in the Western world,'' Onofre said.

``We decided to build the memorial to demonstrate our solidarity with the Palestinian cause,'' Onofre said by phone. ``We hope the memorial will encourage people to discuss the Middle Eastern crisis, which is the cause of all the violence and turmoil afflicting the world today.''

Onofre acknowledged that the Arafat memorial has raised a storm of protest, ``from representatives of Brazil's Jewish community.''

Boston Herald

[Elise]

1. How odd

Certainly there are better ways to demonstrate solidarity with the Palestinian cause than to honor a man who stole millions from the Palestinians!

[King Mongo]

3. debating the theft of money

Honorable Elise

If Arafat stole money from Palestinians, then why does Arafat not have a ranch like Sharon?

When Saddam gave Arafat a personal present of 100 million dollars, why did Arafat not buy a ranch next to Sharon's?

I don't understand why Arafat didn't live a life of luxury.

Honorable Elise, critics of Arafat have yet to tell me what they would have done to hide resistance money from the Israelis. How would you hide money from the Israelis if you were in the same situation?

Your humble servant
King Mongo

[Elise]

4. not debating the theft from the Palestinians

You ask why Arafat does not have a ranch like Sharon?

Cannot you stick to the OP?

As to a life of luxury: check out Mrs. Arafat's lifestyle which was bought and paid for from the sweat and pain of the Palestinians.

[King Mongo]

17. Don't blame men for female problems

Honorable Elise

The small community of Paraiba do Sul did not honor Suha. It honored Arafat. Suha is not Arafat. We are talking about Arafat, not Suha.

If Arafat stole so much money, why didn't he use it for himself? Why do you blame Arafat for Suha's greed? Are men really always responsible for the activities of their women?

Why did Arafat not buy a ranch next to Sharon's?

Your humble servant
King Mongo

[Elise]

28. I wonder

why that canard was not deleted? * interesting *

Do you really believe Arafat was not in league with his wife when they were stealing from the Palestinians? Are you that naive or are you simply that mysoginstic?

[King Mongo]

46. Conspiracy theories

Elise, I do not know what happened between Arafat and Suha. I really have no idea. Neither do you, unless you can prove otherwise.

Many things are possible in relationships and without the court of law, any assumption could be true or false.

I'm simply not going to believe a conspiracy theory simply because it sounds cool and I am aware that men sometimes suffer from the greed of their wives.

Nevertheless, if Arafat had really wanted to keep the 100 million dollars that Saddam gave him for himself, then I'm sure that he would have purchased a ranch next to Sharon's and maybe a nice car to go with it and left Ramallah for some nice resort in Hawaii.

[King Mongo]

2. The secret to not being one-sided

Well, not everyone is one-sided. :)

People should not forget that Israelis not only promoted "terrorists" to positions like prime minister, but buried them in Jerusalem too!

Why should Arafat not receive the same honors?

Your humble servant
King Mongo

[Elise]

6. Again, your post is off-point.

They are honoring a man who purported to care for his people ..... the same people they claim to be honoring ..... we are not discussing terrorism on this thread, we are discussing theft and betrayal by Arafat and the idiotic idea of a country honoring the man rather than the people.

[King Mongo]

18. Unanswered questions about money usage and hiding tactics

Well, if we are talking about theft, then stop blaming Arafat for Suha's problems. Just because some women are greedy, that doesn't mean that men are responsible.

Now back to my previous question, if Arafat stole money, why did he not use it?

Why did Arafat hide money from the Israelis?

How would you have hidden money from the Israelis?

Please, honorable Elisa, please attempt to answer my questions and don't blame men for female problems.

Kind regards
King Mongo

[Elise]

29. WOW

That's 2 responses on one thread that should have been deleted.

It has been proven Arafat stole money and his wife was his partner.

You perseverate with your women-hating/blaming tactics.

So: let me get this straight,

1. Arafat was a wonderful guy
2. He was a victim to his wife's avarice

emkay, if that works for you, I certainly hope you never marry. LOL

[Darranar]

40. So stating things that aren't facts should result in deletion? n/t

[King Mongo]

48. You must admit that some women are greedy

>>You perseverate with your women-hating/blaming tactics.

So, you are trying to tell me all women are not greedy, that all women never cheat on their men and that all women do not use tricks to pressure their men to give them money.

Well, Elise, a reality check says that some women are indeed greedy, some women do cheat on their men and some women do use tricks to get money from their men. Men are often so silly that they give women lots of money simply so that women will like them.

As for Suha, we know that she is greedy. There's no question about that. Why do you defend this greedy woman while blaming Arafat?

>>It has been proven Arafat stole money

Proven by whom? Some guy in the Likud party? Show me the proof. I don't believe something simply because some radical Israeli said it.

[bemildred]

8. I thought it was most likely an attention getting device.

It's hard to beat a Nobel anyway; but I expect the statue is nice,
and this hamlet has a clever mayor, and I can't really see that bashing
Arafat at this point is likely to do the Israeli cause much good.

[Elise]

9. Arafat is also

unlikely to do the Palestinian cause much good.

[bemildred]

10. Being as he is dead, I expect you are right. nt

[Forkboy]

12. Seems kinda obvious,doesn't it?

[bemildred]

13. Hey, you never know.

And good bad guys are hard to find, maybe a jolt of electricity
and we are back in business, "The Return of Arafat", or maybe
"Once again, finally and for the last time, Arafat".

The buildup of Abbas seems to be in full swing, I'm kind of wondering
where that is going.

[Elise]

14. Abbas

has been cozying up to al-aksa and others in order to stay alive.

No need to wonder.

[bemildred]

16. True, but there is more than that to it.

He needs to get elected, for instance.

[King Mongo]

23. Abbas

Are the Israelis not protecting their friends?

[King Mongo]

19. Arafat could do nothing

Honorable Elise

Your are correct that Arafat could not stop illegal settlements or slow their growth. Such was simply beyond his ability. Arafat could really do nothing to help his people and no Palestinian can because only Israelis can do this.

King Mongo

[Elise]

30. Disagree

Arafat could have done plenty. The problem is he believed in his original covenant that Israel must be completely obliterated. If he had come to the realization that a compromise would have worked, he would have been murdered long before his death last year.

[King Mongo]

45. The non-sense about destroying Israel

People who want to destroy Israel don't sit with Israelis at a table while discussing complex issues like the refugee problem.

I don't believe that anyone wants to seriously destroy Israel because destroying Israel is simply unrealistic. It's not going to happen. So, the idea of someone wanting to destroy Israel is nothing other than worthless propaganda used for some political purpose.

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[Elise]

7. Finally! Someone willing to post that s/he 'gets' it!

Bravo.

[Forkboy]

11. I've noticed in I/P that the ones that "get it"

are the ones that agree with whoever posts,"finally,someone get's it!". :shrug:

[Jim Sagle]

15. Arafat wuzn't nuthin' but shit when he wuz alive and he ain't nuthin'

but shit now that he's dead.

And that's a better epitaph than he deserves.

[Elise]

20. True enough, but

Ringo Starr is still alive. I'm just sayin' ............. have you ever seen the 2 of them together? Maybe Arafat and his missus really are together with all the Palestinian money they stole.

[King Mongo]

22. The usage of so-called stolen money

Well, again, Elise, if Arafat stole the millions that Saddam deposited in his personal account as a sign of things, then why did Arafat not use this money?

A curious King Mongo

[Elise]

31. He did.

n/t

[King Mongo]

44. Saddam's monetary present to Arafat

So, how did Arafat use the 100 million dollars that Saddam gave him? Where did he spend it? It is my understanding that a lot of money was invested and is now controlled by the Palestinian Authority.

[King Mongo]

21. The life cycle of shit

Honorable Jim Sagle

It is true that shit cannot remove illegal settlements. In fact, shit is produced by illegal settlers and grows as they expand. Seriously, the more that settlements expand, the more the shit stinks, especially given the limited natural resources in the West Bank that are used to store the shit or flush it away.

Kind regards
King Mongo

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[King Mongo]

27. background information to my question

I understand that this is a very sensitive issue to discuss, so I'll try with more background information to explain the situation.

Definitions:
Yesha = Gaza, Judea & Samaria, also known as Gaza and the West Bank
Israel = the land west of the green line
Eretz Israel = Israel + Yesha
Jews = people around the world who believe in Judaism and/or attacked to the semite part of their ancestory
Palestinians = the people who lived in the area known as Palestine
prior to the creation of a "Jewish" state
illegal settlements = Jewish-only cities in Yesha which are
sometimes protected with walls that exclude
those Palestinians living in Yesha, thus,
properly labelled as Jewish-only cities

The probability is great that if a Palestinian living in Yesha attempts to use a restrooom in a Jewish-only illegal settlement in Yesha, then the Palestinian civilian will be shot and killed. The person who killed the Palestinian civilian will most likely likely not be tried in the court of law.

Now, given the proper background information to demonstrate the problem as it exists to this day, I ask the following question:

Why can Palestinians not use Jewish-only restrooms in Yesha?

It is fine with me if Jews live in Yesha as long as they are treated equally as the other people who are living there. If Jews live in Yesha, then they must share their cities with Palestinians, allowing Palestinians to share their restroooms.

I hope that I explained this sensitive issue well enough so that there are no misunderstandings.

Kind regards
King Mongo

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[King Mongo]

35. spitting on democracy

Racism is sickening, not the act of speaking out against such.

Why build cities in Yesha without giving the indigenous population citizenship and equality? Should not the practice of democracy be encouraged instead of spitted upon?

[Elise]

36. Absolutely

Now, back to the Native American question....................

[King Mongo]

37. not repeating mistakes of the past

What happened to the Native Americans is a terrible crime that is a complete shame.

It is my wish that Israel does not do the same mistake. In my opinion, it is best for Israel to either accept the green line or to treat everyone equally regardless of race, culture or religion.

[Elise]

38. So, you believe

in the USA's rights to exist, but not Israel's?

[King Mongo]

42. Protecting Israel

Where in the world do you get such an idea?

I believe in protecting Israel by discouraging the practice of racial cleansing, genocide or apartheid while encouraging equality and democracy.

[Jack Rabbit]

47. Just a friendly note

I was corrected some time ago by another poster (a pro-Israeli partisan, no less) here for using Eretz Israel in the same way you are using it. The term Eretz Israel simply means land of Israel and may mean simply Israel Proper or Israel Proper, the West Bank and Gaza, depending on the speaker.

Since then, I have adopted the term Greater Israel to convey that meaning. Most people understand that I believe that neither the West Bank nor Gaza are now or have ever been part of the modern state of Israel, that Israel has no legal permanent claim over the occupied territories and that there is no such thing as a legal Israeli settlement in the occupied territories; it is still a convenient term for some ideas, promoted by the Israeli right, to the contrary.

[King Mongo]

49. Greater Israel

Yes, this has been explained to me before too. Thanks for the reminder. I'll adjust my definitions appropriately.

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[King Mongo]

34. ability to recognize problems

One can choose to recognize existing problems, or one can pretend that they don't exist.

[Elise]

39. Quite

How about recognizing the existing and continuing problem Israelis face every day of their lives? It must suck to have to live under the thumb of every nut with a dream of 72 Virginians virgins awaiting them!

[King Mongo]

43. protecting Israel by not practicing racial cleansing

Israel will do just fine west of the green line. There's no need for Israel to practice racial cleansing beyond the green line.

[Annus Horribilis]

41. Maybe They Should Build A Memorial To Osama As Well