9/ 11 conspiracy theorists thriving

[JusticeForAll]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/08/06/9_11_conspiracy_theorists_thriving/

By Justin Pope, AP Education Writer | August 6, 2006

Kevin Barrett believes the U.S government might have destroyed the World Trade Center. Steven Jones is researching what he calls evidence that the twin towers were brought down by explosives detonated inside them, not by hijacked airliners.


These men aren't uneducated junk scientists: Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall, over the protests of more than 60 state legislators. Jones is a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy theorists.

Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, persists and even thrives. Members trade their ideas on the Internet and in self-published papers and in books. About 500 of them attended a recent conference in Chicago.

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

Edited to provide link for organization.

[Cocoa]

1. why would they write a story like this...

and not include any mention of probably the most newsworthy development since the Commission's report, a development which only happened last week?

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-us91103q4838549aug03,0,5927041.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines

Some members of the commission say Pentagon lied to the public about details of its response to attacks

[Junkdrawer]

3. Inoculation. n/t

[Poll_Blind]

5. Good point. n/t

PB

[glitch]

8. Yup. I'm glad they feel they need to do it. They should be worried.

Can't wait for the trials.

[Jazzgirl]

2. Check out the framing.

"Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, persists and even thrives."

The use of "widely descredited" is the key. Discredited by who? The government??!!??

JG

[cyberpj]

77. News orgs now pushing Popular Mechanics book just out debunking theories.

[Warpy]

4. Both men are out of their fields and neither examined the

wreckage first hand. That's the problem with conspiracy "experts," they're generaly out of their fields and relying on second, third, or fourth hand information.

Until solid evidence to the contrary surfaces, I'll trust the reports from structural engineers who were involved with constructing the buildings and/or who examined the wreckage afterwars.

Contributing to the fluourishing of conspiracy theories is the fact that the 9/11 commission was stonewalled by the administration and the report was essentially an administration whitewash that left more questions unanswered than answered.

Official stonewalling always leads to attempts to fill in the very large gaps. The answers are generally wrong and the officials would have done themselves a greater service to tell the whole truth, generally speaking. The conspiracy theories that arise are usually unfavorable to them.

[JAYJDF]

9. You mean that you can believe that not just one or two but 3 buildings

fell straight down! A feat those in the destruction field have to plan and plan and still don't get it right some times to bring a building straight down. You mean you aren't even amazed at this one single fact?

[Kailassa]

72. Obviously then you know "the whole truth" if you can say

with such certainty that officials would have done themselves a greater service.

Please enlighten us, It's wonderful to have the ultimate expert posting here.

By the way, if I'm ever on trial for a murder I've committed,
and the jury discovers my alibi is a lie,
will you please be my defense attourney?
I'm sure no-one could explain better than you how the lie
was absolutely no indication of guilt.

[brentspeak]

6. I don't believe any of these MIHOP/LIHOP conspiracy theories, but...

it's not just these professors or fringe journalists who believe something "Capricorn One"-ish occured on 9/11. For instance, a friend of mine's dad, a Korean War marine vet, believes that Bush will allow a terrorist attack against the U.S. to occur before his second term is up, so he can declare a third term. I was pretty shocked to hear him say this, because he's about the most rational, practical guy you could meet.

Just goes to show how Bush's bizarre and reckless actions as president have turned our nation upside-down, inside-out.

[seemslikeadream]

7. Hey Justin take a gander at this

EDUCATE YOURSELF

Who Killed John O'Neill Summary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=100059&mesg_id=100059

[Jazz2006]

21. Who is Justin and why are you yelling at him?

Just curious.

[BrklynLiberal]

23. Justin Pope is the author of the article in the OP.

[Jazz2006]

25. Aha, thanks! I wasn't aware of him posting here at DU

and thought that since the post was a response to the original post that it might have been a reference to the author of the original post (Justiceforall) and I couldn't figure out why he or she should be yelled at.

Got it, now.

Thanks again.

[BrklynLiberal]

10. I doubt if the truth will ever be allowed to be known by the public.

We are not even allowed to know the truth about the JFK assassination yet, and that could not be as all-encompassing as the 9/11 plot. I am sure some of the same players are involved in both.
Those of us who doubt the government's version of this story will always be labeled as "fringe" conspiracy theorists no matter how concrete the evidence becomes because it will never be allowed to be presented coherently to the public.

[mogster]

12. Hi, BrklynLiberal!

I found a speech by Kennedy Library Historian, Sheldon Stern, from 1999, that touches upon the downgrading of the documents from around the Cuda missile crisis, and how Kennedy's afterword changed because of it. Worth a read, it also has some interesting passages about Eisenhower and even Coolidge. Here's a paragraph about Kennedy's letter to his family during his service in WWII:

"JFK's wartime letters to his family and his friends, released in the early 1990s, confirm Sidey's view. Here is an excerpt from one remarkable letter, written from the South Pacific in September 1943, when he was 26 years old:

The war goes slowly here, slower than you can imagine from reading the papers at home. The only way you can get the proper perspective on its progress is to put away the headlines for a month and watch us move on the map. It's deathly slow. The Japs have dug deep, and with the possible exceptions of a couple of Marine divisions, are the greatest jungle fighters in the world. Their willingness to die for a place like Munda gives them a tremendous advantage over us. We, in aggregate, just don,t have the willingness. Of course, at times, an individual will rise up to it, but in total, no…Munda or any of these spots are just God damned hot stinking corners of small islands…in a part of the ocean we all hope never to see again…

We are at a great disadvantage–the Russians could see their country invaded, the Chinese the same. The British were bombed, but we are fighting on some islands belonging to the Lever Company, a British concern making soap…I suppose if we were stockholders we would perhaps be doing better, but to see that by dying at Munda you are helping insure peace in our time takes a larger imagination than most men possess.

The Japs have this advantage: because of their feeling about Hirohito, they merely wish to kill. An American's energies are divided: he wants to kill but he is also trying desperately to prevent himself from being killed…

The war here is a dirty business. It's very easy to talk about…beating the Japs if it takes years and a million men, but anyone who talks like that should consider well his words. We get so used to talking about billions of dollars, and millions of soldiers, that thousands of casualties sound like drops in the bucket. But if those thousands want to live as much as the men I saw, the people deciding the whys and wherefores had better make mighty sure that all this effort is headed for some definite goal, and that when we reach that goal we may say that it was worth it, for if it isn't, the whole thing will turn to ashes, and we will face great trouble in the years to come after the war.

26 years old! This letter typifies the perceptiveness, skepticism, and sardonic humor, which I have found again and again in JFK's private words as president. My favorite example comes from the tape-recorded telephone call between the president and Senator William Fulbright during the 1963 Senate hearings on the ratification of the nuclear test ban treaty (sounds familiar!). Fulbright tells JFK that the testimony of nuclear scientist Edward Teller against the treaty had been very effective and may have cost the administration some votes in the Senate. "Yes," Kennedy says with a sigh of resignation, "That's one of the disadvantages of having an open mind.""

http://www.garlandind.com/nche/Stern.speech.html

The whole speech is a good reminder that declassification of documents is an important part of the documentation of history, and should not be obstructed for longer than necessary. I hope the (probably extensive) document library containing 911-documents will be released soon ;-)

The last paragraph of Kennedy's letter could serve as a guide to the current situation, don't you think?

[BrklynLiberal]

22. Thank you for that...and that tells us why BushCo and cronies have gone

to such extremes to have so much information classfied..even documents that have once been declassfied. Getting insight into the truth about what has happened before is the last thing they would want people to have.

Kennedy's words were very prescient, indeed.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

11. I would have to say that it is the 9/11 Commission report...

that has been "widely discredited".

[InaneAnanity]

13. "widely discredited"???

I'd like to see that happen.

This pre-emptive smearing that's going on is completely ridiculous. This article is intended for people who have no idea about the 9/11 truth movement, or why the official explanation is so wrong.

Implying that the movement ois ridiculous without offering any evidence that it is so (because there is none) is exactly the same as Bill O'Reilly calling media matters a smear site even though they have direct video and audio evidence of everything they print.

[readmoreoften]

14. Even the FBI doesn't credit Bin Laden for the attacks.

They only blame him for embassy bombings:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

note: "Poster Revised November 2001"


The wily FBI must all be conspiracy theorists. Bush should purge them they way he did the "liberal" CIA

[Bolo Boffin]

15. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT

THE WORLD.

:eyes:

[readmoreoften]

16. Analysis by eyeroll. What won't you do to defend the official story.

Yeah, your eyeroll doesn't make up for the fact that the FBI doesn't even MENTION the LARGEST CRIME OF ALL-- Sept 11th. Yes, there is no doubt that 9-11 has committed terrorist attacks throughout the world. But what the FBI should be after him for is 9-11.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

See, other DUers can push the "eyes" button too. So what? We already know that you completely believe the Republican's official story hook line and sinker.

And by the way, do you ever post in any other DU forum? Or do you just troll this forum to flame people without ever adding anything to the discussion?

[salvorhardin]

17. Law of excluded middle

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=101457&mesg_id=101457

Please try not to use "with us or against us" thinking.

[readmoreoften]

18. I'm not making claims about other DUers, only the poster in question.

You can say that "all" the people on DU who "debunk-the-debunkers" are debunking claims on a claim-by-claim basis. I appreciate those people and don't mind talking with them. I tend to respond by "debunking their debunks."

But there are many people who just come to the 9-11 forum to ridicule anyone who is suspicious of the 9-11 Commission Report. The poster I responded to is one such poster. Eyerolls are not analysis. Ever. Neither is namecalling and accusation.

There was no middle to exclude. I was speaking directly to Boloboffin

[Bolo Boffin]

19. Strike a blow against the terrorists - calm down about 9/11.

Osama doesn't need to be punished for the embassy bombings?

That is an example of the excluded middle.

If you already know that I "completely believe the Republican's official story hook line and sinker", then you haven't been reading the forum very closely. Get cracking.

[readmoreoften]

20. Point out where I said he doesn't deserve punishment for embassy bombings

Good work. Nice jumping to conclusions.

I asserted that he is not wanted for the bombing of 9-11 according to the FBI's 10 most wanted. Sorry, I'm not engaging in any sort of logical fallacy by pointing out that the FBI fails to state that OBL is wanted for the attacks on 9-11. They fail to state this. If they categorically did not describe other attacks the omission would not be noticeable.

Thanks for the offer, but I don't need to read your posts. I've read plenty for my taste to make an assessment. Believe it or not, your opinions on 9-11 aren't so important to me that I need to research them.

[Bolo Boffin]

27. Stop misrepresenting my views, then.

If you're not willing to do a full and thorough reading of my posts, stop making categorical claims about them.

I also stated that my take on your views was an example of the excluded middle, and yet you failed to comprehend what you read, and slammed me for it.

Pity.

[readmoreoften]

29. Fine then, apology accepted. /nt

[mirandapriestly]

76. Agreed.eom

[krkaufman]

31. bin Laden not being directly associated with the 9/11 attacks ...

... does not mean that they were executed, or even orchestrated, by the Bush Administration. It could simply mean that there is no direct evidence of bin Laden's involvement that would be sufficient to issue a warrant or convict him.

[wildbilln864]

74. krk, you are completely correct...

but by researching things not presented on CNN or other corporate media sources, it becomes apparent that there is clear evidence linking Atta to the CIA (google "able danger").

Daniel Hopsicker, Daniel Hopsicker, Daniel Hopsicker! Can anyone show any reason to dispute his research?

[BrklynLiberal]

24. Will this information ever be allowed out of the dungeon?

[Sinti]

26. It's not the dungeon - it's a private meeting room

It keeps the threads from getting cluttered up with posts of "this is ridiculous" - "tinfoil hat alert" - "shouldn't we be talking about the upcoming election rather than this ancient" and the like

In here the only clutter posts are those of the infamous debunker/deniers/apologists. Enjoy the exclusivity it permits more open conversation methinks :)

[Jazz2006]

30. More to the point, it keeps threads from being cluttered with posts of

the following type of posts - all paraphrased, obviously - that are made by CTers repeatedly in the dungeon (i.e. NOT made by the vast majority of the population who obviously disagree with the CTers, nor even made by the skeptics who visit and post in the 911 dungeon in refutation of CT posts, but posts made by the CTers themselves).

"it was all a vast conspiracy by the BFEE and nothing anyone says will ever convince me otherwise";
"NORAD had orders to 'stand down' so that * could pull it all off";
"war games were scheduled for that day to distract from the real world events";
"Jews were warned to stay away from work that day";
"the Jews did it";
"I'm postulating as fact something that I just pulled out of my... er, ear";
"Steven Jones should be believed even though he has no expertise whatsoever in the fields of science that he postulates on";
"Loose Change is amazing";
"Loose Change is garbage" (pay no attention to the CTers change of heart after its hundreds of glaring errors were pointed out);
"there were no planes, they were holograms";
"the real planes were diverted to a military base and all the passengers executed";
"a bunny cage in my backyard equates to scientific research and proves that the towers couldn't possibly have collapsed";
"oops ~ not so scientific, that");
"Alex Jones should be believed because he yells really loud";
"Norm Chomsky does not believe the 9/11 conspiracy theories for a nanosecond" (oops ~ how did that sneak in there?);
"it would only require 7 people to pull of 9/11";
"thousands of people who worked at the WTC towers were part of a massive conspiracy to kill John O'Neill" along with many thousands of others outside of the WTC towers, of course ~ oops, what happened to the whole thing requiring only 7 people?;
"911 Eyewitness is amazing";
"911 Eyewitness sucks now that its glaring errors have been pointed out by others, never mind";
"some guy using various aliases on the internet claims to have been a whistleblower in several different conspiracies and they are all somehow connected to 9/11";
"none of the planes actually took off that day";
"missiles and holograms are the answer";
"all of the passengers on those non-existent planes were actually taken out and killed and disappeared by the gov't";
"the passengers were diverted to some top secret underwater world and are all alive and well there"; "the WTC towers had concrete cores";
"the towers were brought down by controlled demolitions even thought their collapses look absolutely nothing like any controlled demolition before or since";
"FDNY murdered their fellow firefighters and they caught it all on tape in a "snuff film";
"because someone with zero background or experience in structural engineering or controlled demolitions says so, it must be true that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions"; "the existence of sulfur means that the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions";
"the evidence was quickly destroyed, the steel was taken away and sold overseas immediately thus destroying the evidence that would prove controlled demolitions";
"the fires were so 'spooky' that firefighters didn't want to go near them";
"the shadows on the west face of the north side of the building on the right in this photograph taken from the west shows that it must have been a conspiracy even though I have no idea when the photograph was taken and even though I have no idea what I'm talking about";
"I don't need any evidence to support my conspiracy theory but you need detailed photographic evidence (even in situations where none is possible for obvious reasons) to refute my conspiracy theories"; "there were no planes";
"there duplicate planes";
"planes were diverted and dumped in the ocean";
"planes landed in Cleveland or Portland and were subsequently dealt with";
"Larry Silverstein admitted to demolishing WTC7";
"Larry Silverstein owned a strip club called Runway 69";
"it was all done by remote controlled planes";
"oh yeah, controlled demolitions don't look like that so it was something new and improved, but don't ask me what it was, it's sufficient to say that "they" did it";
"we don't need no stinking evidence";
"but what about the pyroclastic flow?";
"oh, okay, it's true that the whole 'pyroclastic flow' bit was a meme I was repeating but eventually admit was meaningless and moot and could never provide any support for, never mind";
"Hopsicker is dead on";
"Oops, Hopsicker is totally wrong";
"the buildings fell at free fall speeds"
"okay, so they didn't fall at free fall speeds, but what does that matter?";
"I can control gravity";
"Okay, okay, so I can't control gravity but I'd had a few beers when I said that, so what does it matter?";
"when in doubt, make up a silly analogy about granny's head blowing up";

etc. etc. etc.

That is but a tiny sample. The list goes on and on and on... and is more than sufficient reason for these threads not to be in GD.

Edit to change it from a long paragraph to a list.

[OneBlueSky]

28. with good reason . . . they're trying to counter the biggest . . .

conspiracy theory of them all -- the "official" story . . . if you want something far-fetched, look no further . . .

[u2spirit]

32. 9/11 conspiracy theories persist, thrive

Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, persists and even thrives. Members trade their ideas on the Internet and in self-published papers and in books. About 500 of them attended a recent conference in Chicago.

The movement claims to be drawing fresh energy and credibility from a recently formed group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

The organization says publicity over Barrett's case has helped boost membership to about 75 academics. They are a tiny minority of the 1 million part- and full-time faculty nationwide, and some have no university affiliation. Most aren't experts in relevant fields. But some are well educated, with degrees from elite universities such as Princeton and Stanford and jobs at schools including Rice, Indiana and the University of Texas.

"Things are happening," said co-founder James Fetzer, a retired philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota Duluth, who maintains, among other claims, that some of the hijackers are still alive. "We're going to continue to do this. Our role is to establish what really happened on 9/11."

snip

PS- This stuff is hitting the mainstream hard in the last few weeks.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807/ap_on_re_us/sept_11_conspiracies_5

[mmonk]

33. A natural reaction to a dishonest government.

[mcscajun]

34. True. Yet the most important line in the excerpt is this one.

"Most aren't experts in relevant fields."

That alone speaks volumes.

[Mind_your_head]

36. Yes, it does speak volumes.....b/c even a "non-expert" has enough

knowledge to see through the lies/cover-ups. And when the "experts" don't come to the fore with a GENUINE analysis of what they know, nobody wants to hear what the 'experts' have to say anymore, b/c "they're bought and paid for"....they've become whores (enjoying their McMansions and f*ck 'everybody else').

[Carefulplease]

42. Did they buy the North Korean and Iranian experts as well? n/t

[shooga]

45. anybody talkin' 'bout Marvin ....

..........   "Access"   on 9/9 and 9/10
................ 

[NoodleyAppendage]

37. Means nothing. Scientific method crosses all fields of endeavor.

Who exactly would be an "expert" in jets hitting a skyscraper? Is this a sub-field I missed in graduate school?

As long as the scientific method is rigorously adhered to in the various investigations of the 9/11 data, I see no reason why conclusions would be less valid just because the person arriving at the conclusion was not an "expert." Evidence is evidence.

J

[Carefulplease]

41. Of course there are experts...

Who exactly would be an "expert" in jets hitting a skyscraper? Is this a sub-field I missed in graduate school?

There are no medical doctors who specialize in the diagnosis and prognosis of throat cancer caused by Cuban cigars either. But there are oncologists, pathologists, biochemists, etc. who all have relevant thing to say about an instance of this.

In the 9/11 case, there are aviation engineers, fire prevention engineers, civil and structural engineers, forensic engineers, and so on, many of which specialize in the investigation of disasters.

[seriousstan]

38. I liked this......"But some are well educated."

Ain't that just precious.

[Oversea Visitor]

35. Cause the answer stink and the people want an answer

At sometime or other they going to start chocking on the hogwash and say enough is enough.

There is so much one can swallow before becoming totally sick.

[Mind_your_head]

39. Dungeoned

Gee, just a few days ago I thought I was gonna have to actually buy myself a star. I knew it couldn't last....and it didn't.

[mcscajun]

43. Wha hoppen?

When? Where?

[Mind_your_head]

78. This was in Latest Breaking News for quite a long time last nite

before it got moved to the dungeon/basement. I was actually thinking *silly me* that it would STAY in General Discussion.

My comment to buying myself a star refers to a comment I made awhile ago, saying that once the September 11 Discussion is allowed to stay up in the 'light of day' of General Discussion and/or Latest Breaking News (where appropriate with new revelations), then I'd make a donation to DU. Until then, I'll refrain on principal. I believe a few other posters have stated that they feel the same way.)

on edit: sorry, it was actually in "Latest Breaking News" originally:

[mcscajun]

79. Thanks for clearing that up.

:)

[Vincardog]

40. widely discredited ideas, discredited by whom? The Perpetrators?

I do not care if the CCM has dismissed the facts of the case. Why did the Pentagon LIE? Where are the Video tapes form the Pentagon and the gas station? If they are not lying why are they lying?

[Overseas]

44. a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened

That describes those who buy the official story-- that 19 incompetents with box cutters could have overcome all of the redundant defenses of the world's strongest military and its multiple intelligence services.

[cal04]

46. 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Persist, Thrive

Kevin Barrett believes the U.S government might have destroyed the World Trade Center. Steven Jones is researching what he calls evidence that the twin towers were brought down by explosives detonated inside them, not by hijacked airliners.

These men aren't uneducated junk scientists: Barrett will teach a class on Islam at the University of Wisconsin this fall, over the protests of more than 60 state legislators. Jones is a tenured physicist at Brigham Young University whose mainstream academic job has made him a hero to conspiracy theorists.

Five years after the terrorist attacks, a community that believes widely discredited ideas about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, persists and even thrives. Members trade their ideas on the Internet and in self-published papers and in books. About 500 of them attended a recent conference in Chicago.

The movement claims to be drawing fresh energy and credibility from a recently formed group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5998344,00.html

[Jara sang]

47. 3... 2... 1...

*poof*

[Oversea Visitor]

48. Ok the articles dont exist

Hmmm that means the paper dont exist
Hmmm ok now the reader dont exist.

Ok it goes poof.
Problems solve.

Hogwash still favourite drink of day :rofl:

[Jara sang]

50. No, counting the moments till it's moved to the conspiracy corral

aka. 9/11 forum

[Oversea Visitor]

57. Really

:rofl:

Ok it is a conspiracy ..... poof
Ok it get move to 911 forum.... poof
Ok not enough it must go .....poof
That mean DU must go ...... poof

That mean all those must go .....poof

Damn the rapture didnt happen all still around geee .... poof

:rofl:

[LARED]

49. Dr. Jones is selling snake oil.

I don't know why, but he should stick to physics, as he is clearly out of his league regarding the collapse of the WTC's

[wildbilln864]

51. or...

so says you!

[LARED]

54. Wildbill, nice to see you

I thought you were going to educate me about sulfidation? I humbly await the lesson.

[mrgerbik]

67. I'm sorry but

I don't think aren't "humbly" waiting...

[LARED]

70. You might be right, but I suspect it will long wait (nt)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

53. physics...

you mean, like, buildings don't collapse at free-fall speeds without help?


humph.

[LARED]

56. Did some buildings fall at freefall speeds?

That's news to me. Please enlighten me.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

62. you can bait me in the basement... (and you have)

not in GD.

[LARED]

63. Ok, I baited you, but there was no freefall of any buildings on 9/11

You know it. I know it, so what bother debating it?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

64. 6.3 seconds total freefall speed for the north tower...

it actually took 6.8.

so, sue me.

[Justice Is Comin]

65. I'm pretty sure the free fall speed

at the towers height of 1,350 feet is 9.2 seconds. The 911 commission report concluded approximately 10 seconds for the total collapse.

Every single floor below the impacted floor had steel beams that had to give way causing enormous resistance to a free fall theorem.

And those floors were not even subject to the ignited jet fuel temperatures. Further, the maximum temperature of ignited jet fuel under ideal conditions is still not hot enough to reach the melting temperature of steel in the first place. Or anywhere near the UL certified temperature the steel beams were certified to withstand.

Lared, you should research the materials available before you make factual assertions.

[LARED]

66. I have researched it quite throughly

and the towers each took well over 15 seconds to collapse (The 9/11 report is just plain wrong). I would suggest you do a video search and see for yourself.

[mrgerbik]

68. so

what would be the speed of a pancaking, non-freefall collapse?

Please enlighten me.

[LARED]

69. I recommend you use a search engine that

locates video, (google has an excellent one) and time the collapse yourself if you want to find the speed of a pancaking non-free-fall collapse.

Tell me how you make out.

Regards

[Viva_La_Revolution]

52. Like I said while watching the panel on CSPAN...

The Official Story is obviously a lie. If they won't give us the truth, we will find one for ourselves. If they don't like what we come up with, they should have told us the truth in the first place.

[Ghost in the Machine]

60. BEST. REPLY. EVER!

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I sure as hell don't believe the "Offical Explanation" either. Something bad happened to our Country on 9-11-01 .... something very bad...

[IChing]

55. 75 different academics and 1 million part-time and full time faculty

The movement claims to be drawing fresh energy and credibility from a recently formed group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

The organization says publicity over Barrett's case has helped boost membership to about 75 academics. They are a tiny minority of the 1 million part- and full-time faculty nationwide, and some have no university affiliation. Most aren't experts in relevant fields. But some are well educated, with degrees from elite universities such as Princeton and Stanford and jobs at schools including Rice, Indiana and the University of Texas.

``Things are happening,'' said co-founder James Fetzer, a retired philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota Duluth, who maintains, among other claims, that some of the hijackers are still alive. ``We're going to continue to do this. Our role is to establish what really happened on 9/11.''

[ContraBass Black]

58. the BBC reported some of the accused hijackers were found alive.

This article mentions that believe with a heavy dose of skepticism.

[Swamp Rat]

59. I certainly don't believe the official conspiracy story.

[wildbilln864]

61. 911 conspiracy theorists...

keep the issue alive and demand the complete truth about how this terrible tragedy was allowed to happen! Without them this administration and the enabling corporate media would have swept the details under the rug long ago.
911 has been the justification for Iraq, Afghanistan, domestic spying, patriot act, etc, etc!

[John Q. Citizen]

73. It is hitting the mainstream.

Which is a very good thing.

[vincent_vega_lives]

71. Thank god we have smart enough educators like these

David Gabbard, an East Carolina education professor, acknowledges this isn't his field, but says "I'm smart enough to know ... that fire from airplanes can't melt steel." :eyes:

[Kailassa]

75. Thank god so many still have the courage to think for themselves.

And thank you each atheist and agnostic who would prefer
I did not thank god for your efforts. ;-)

Such people as yourselves are the hope this world has.