Bertha Venation
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:22 AM
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| What does this sign in front of a house near my my home mean? |
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I see this sign on Route 228 in Southern Maryland, a long, winding stretch of four-lane road, bordered on both sides by trees, fields, an an occasional house.
The sign is mounted on the mailbox post, above the mailbox so it's in clear view. It's a large piece of plywood, painted bright yellow, with these words in black: "BUSH ZIONIST CABAL STAGED 9/11."
I have no idea what this means. I'm completely ignorant. Figured someone in this forum might know. If perchance it has something to do w/ accusations of anti-Semitism, flames are unwelcome. If you have a non-inflammatory answer, post away. Thanks.
(BTW they've recently added a bumper sticker above the sign: "Bush lied, thousands died." Don't need any help knowing what that means.)
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Goldmund
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:23 AM
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| 1. A lot of the lead PNAC-ers are Jewish |
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So anti-Semites use that fact as proof of yet another Jewish conspiracy.
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el_gato
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:28 AM
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| 4. Being Jewish does not equal being a Zionist |
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In fact most Jewish people in the U.S. are opposed to Zionism.
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Goldmund
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:33 AM
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| 6. You don't have to tell me that |
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I'm talking about the likely motivation behind those wrote wrote the sign Bertha was talking about.
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:40 AM
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| 8. How do you know what their motivation is? |
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I could similarly assume your Zionist motivation, which may or may not be true.
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Goldmund
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Tue Aug-03-04 11:00 AM
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| 10. First of all, I agree with your post #7 |
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What I'm saying is that whether or not those PNAC-ers are Zionists or simply Jewish, I believe it's pointless to link 9/11 LIHOP with the Jewish-conpiracy theories of the past. It doesn't really matter that they're Jewish, even if one assumes that their are more loyal to Israel than to the US -- the fact is that they are most loyal to the financial interests of their cabal. Whether they're Jewish or not I really don't care.
And I'm totally with you as far as Israel. Israel is a fascist state in foreign policy terms, and this constant "to speak against Israel is anti-Semitic" bullshit is, if you ask me, spitting on the graves of the victims of Holocaust, who are constantly used and abused by supporters of Israel.
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:39 AM
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| 7. Suspecting Likud and Mossad of a false flag op on 9/11 isn't anti-semitic. |
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Zionists use this smokescreen to smear anyone who has understandable suspicions of Israeli complicity in 9/11 and also to smear anyone who challenges IDF criminality in Palestine.
You are either with Israel or against all Jews according Zionist propaganda.
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Tue Aug-03-04 11:36 AM
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quick draw McGraw. :eyes:
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:25 AM
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| 2. Many arguments have been made about how 9/11 benefits Israeli interests |
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Edited on Tue Aug-03-04 10:26 AM by jpgray
Especially the more conservative authoritarian Likud party--it involved the US irretrievably in the ME and against Islamic fundamentalism (or apparently secular dictatorships), and set up a string of military targets for the US that some in Israel would love to see attacked.
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el_gato
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:26 AM
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| 3. Many of the Neocons are Zionists |
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Now before this turns into a flame war I should state that being Jewish and being a Zionist are two different things.
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Carni
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:28 AM
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| 5. Sounds like they blame Israel bush for 911 |
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They probably subscribe to the theory that Israel and bush staged 911 to blame the Arabs (the rumors about Israeli art students going around the country before 911 that went around the net etc)
A wide assortment of groups that have nothing in common at any other time subscribe to that theory!
(I am not trying to be inflammatory and *I* am in NO WAY a subscriber to that theory, but I have seen it frequently around the net!)
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Tue Aug-03-04 10:45 AM
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| 9. we should be wary, however... |
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... at a political board i used to freqent that got overrun by freeper-types, whenever I brouht up the neocon influence or PNAC, the freepers would accuse ME of anti-semitism and would thus bog down, sidtrack, and get those threads locked, even though I never mentioned nor cared if several neocons were jewish.
just fyi that the freepers use this ruse as a handy method to prevent criticism of the neocon cabal ( rummy, cheney, perle, wolfowitz, etc.)
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geek tragedy
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Tue Aug-03-04 11:09 AM
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| 11. For some people, Zionist just means Israel, for others, it means |
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Jew. Impossible to say which these people are.
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Tue Aug-03-04 11:19 AM
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You live near some very disturbed people.
No matter how you slice it anyone erecting a sign that says "BUSH ZIONIST CABAL STAGED 9/11" is clearly stating they believe the events of 9/11 were caused by the US government in fulfilling some purpose known by their Zionist masters that supposedly run the world.
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Tue Aug-03-04 11:29 AM
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| 13. Hide your head in the sand if you want to |
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but our future is too important not to ask question especially given the fact that the people in power follow Machiavelli.
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LARED
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Tue Aug-03-04 02:45 PM
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| 17. I'm not hiding my head in the sand. |
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It just seem to me to be a bit implausible that the
the events of 9/11 were caused by the US government in fulfilling some purpose known by their Zionist masters that supposedly run the world.
Can I take it your response indicates you believe that to be true?
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Tue Aug-03-04 11:41 AM
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| 15. and yet others believe that hard-line islamic fundamentalists.. |
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who liked to imbibe in copious amounts of blow, hang out in strip clubs, and get lap dances drove planes into the Trade Center in the name of Allah. Go figure? :crazy:
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LARED
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Tue Aug-03-04 02:48 PM
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| 18. What's so hard to believe about that? |
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Over all of recorded history all sorts of lunacy is justified by religion.
If your goal is to blend into western society, what is so crazy about it?
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Tue Aug-03-04 03:11 PM
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| 19. Especially, if you don't have to worry about getting busted |
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If your destiny is to be a Patsy for the inside job that 9/11 was, you won't get busted for doing cocaine. Even the Chimpster didn't have to worry about THAT, did he?
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LARED
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Tue Aug-03-04 03:30 PM
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| 20. I have an announcement. Abe and I agree - mark it down. |
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Abe, if that is your destiny, than I agree with you.
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Tue Aug-03-04 04:02 PM
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| 21. you might want to learn just a little something about islam.. |
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before you go and make ridiculous statements about "blending in". One need not go the extremes of drug and alcohol abuse to "blend in".
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LARED
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Tue Aug-03-04 04:17 PM
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| 22. extremes of drug and alcohol abuse ???? |
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Did that happen? Or was it casual use?
Have you ever read anything about the Afghan/Soviet Union war? It was quite common and acceptable to sodomize Russian soldiers as long the pious Afghan was on the pitching end.
Many a poor Russian soldier was gang raped by devout Muslim men.
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frylock
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Tue Aug-03-04 04:48 PM
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| 24. Have you ever read anything about the Afghan/Soviet Union war |
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JIHAD! by Tom Carew Taliban by Ahmed Rashid jihad by Ahmed Rashid Reaping the Whirlwind by Michael Griffin currently awaiting the delivery of The Rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan by Neamatollah Nojumi
if you have any links to substantiate your claim, I would be happy to read them with an open mind.
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Bertha Venation
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Tue Aug-03-04 12:11 PM
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I was hoping for the absence of flame bait. Oh well.
Thanks for the responses. Thanks for the explanations (such as some were). I kinda have an idea now of what the sign means.
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