9/11 Video Shocks Sacramento Citizens

[Minstrel Boy]

9/11 Video Shocks Sacramento Citizens

August 13, 2004
NewsWithViews.com

A new 9-11 video was screened last night in Sacramento, California, leaving the audience stunned. '911 in Plane Site' is basically presented in two parts. The first segment is 52 minutes and designed for showing on television with the balance of a one hour time slot reserved for commercials. Part II continues with more film and analysis. This video is digitally mastered making details sharp and clear.

'911 in Plane Site' presents actual film from that fateful day and careful analysis focusing on the Pentagon and the two World Trade Center buildings. By slowing down the actual news feeds that day from networks like CNN, FOX, the BBC and others, what you see is quite different from what most people saw in "real time" that day. Live footage from the Pentagon and what was missed by most because of the smoke and confusion was captured up close by the media. Following the showing, a retired vet remarked, "How did we miss this all this time? I've seen media clips of the front of that building many times, but I wasn't really seeing what was there. I feel sick."

One particular interview that brought gasps from the audience and many looking around with shock etched on their faces was an interview conducted - live at the time - by FOX News. This intense interview with Mark Burnback, an employee of FOX News, contains the following narrative, paraphrased: Burnback was close to the path of the second plane and had a good long look at what he describes was not a commercial airliner. The plane that hit the second tower had no windows, Burnback was very clear about that. The plane had some kind of blue logo on the front near the nose and looked like a cargo plane. This point was driven to the viewer several times along with the comment from this FOX employee that "this plane wasn't from around here or anything you'd see take off from the airport."

...

Other footage includes several women who had a very clear view watching the second plane hit were yelling, "That wasn't American Airlines....It wasn't American Airlines going into the building." These interviews were played that morning once on FOX News, never to be replayed again, despite the massive saturation and repetition by the media for many days to come.

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusive/exclusive34.htm

[Dover]

1. Interesting......I haven't seen this flick showing around here (Texas).

What kind of distribution has it got?

As regards the second plane question, isn't there plenty of footage of that plane going into the tower that would prove this one way or the other. The media played it over and over again....

[Minstrel Boy]

2. Dunno about distribution.

I think it's chiefly getting seen via DVD.

I haven't viewed it myself, so I won't make any claims for it. Though it may be worth my ordering.

[Tight_rope]

77. I live in Texas too...and I damn sure have not heard of this...kept in the

dark again by out lying government.

[Nlighten1]

3. Here is the website for the flick.

http://www.policestate21.com/

[liveoaktx]

4. My question is, suppose those were some other planes or missiles

what happened to the commercial flights?

[Dover]

5. yeah.........and all the lives on board?

eom

[Keirsey]

8. yes

Dac_76, I agree with your question. If Flight 175 didn't hit the WTC, what happened to it? Wouldn't radar have picked up on it?

There was a thread here on DU a while ago that did quite a bit of debunking on 9/11 in Plane Site.

[leesa]

23. The FAA and Norad seemed to have a different agenda other than protecting

us so even if it were picked up on radar, we wouldn't know about it.

[Minstrel Boy]

11. Good question. And some things to add to the mix, perhaps:

Do you know about the Cleveland Airport mystery? A "Flight 93" was identified as having landed safely there the morning of Sept 11:
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323

There's also an argument made for a "twin flight" for Flight 11 departing Logan:
http://home.mayn.de/grolo/gfp_fl11.pdf

But honestly, I don't know. I haven't spent much time examining these stories, and I'm unsure of the value.

I don't know if we'll ever know how they did it. But I believe we know enough already to know they did it.

It's not for nothing intelligence operations like 9/11 are called "sparkles." They're dazzling, full of false trails and misdirection. It's a magic act. But we can ID the magician.

What I think is important is to keep the big picture. It's where many of the first generation of JFK researchers faltered. They got down on their knees, on the knoll, and examined the blades of grass and calculated trajectories. They became consumed with the minutiae. After a little while, it became a puzzle instead of a crime; something for hobbyists.

At a certain point, when a critical mass of evidence was reached - and it may have been as early as Ruby silencing Oswald - people should have known enough to know it was an inside job. And that should have brought the United States to a standstill until there was something like justice. And the same today with 9/11. We don't know how they did it, but we know enough to know they did it.

What 9/11 needs now is someone with the courage of Jim Garrison, to conduct a prosecution.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

53. There are a few civil lawsuits over 9-11

There should be thousands more but bush bought the 9-11 victim's silence with the multibillion dollar Victims Compensation Fund.

[Nlighten1]

6. By the way...

If you have a premium news group subscription to Giganews or some equivelient....this movie is currently available for download in both alt.binaries.divx and alt.binaries.documentaries.

[Poll_Blind]

7. Thanks for the tip....

Most appreciated...

PB

[AntiCoup2K4]

41. And if you have a Bit Torrent client...

You can find it at www.suprnova.org

I'd love to hear the Freeps try to explain away this video, like they have attempted to do with F-911.

What will be their explanation when a FAUX News reporter says that he personally witnessed the second plane hit the tower and that it appeared to be a cargo plane, as it had no passenger windows

What about the FAUX footage showing the Pentagon, on fire after the explosion there, but with the roof line still very much intact, and the hole quite visible, yet only 16 feet in diameter. Not even close to the body of a Boeing 757, and no place at all for the wings or tail to go.

As to where the real planes and passengers are, that's a good question. Maybe a whole list of who was supposedly on the planes needs to be examined more carefully. Could I see Barbara Olson camped out in some subterranean hidey hole with Uncle Dick??

You bet your ass I could!

[nostamj]

9. does it come in a tin foil wrapper?

honestly... you believe that FOUR planes were hijacked but ONE of the planes in NYC was not one of the hijacked planes... even though it was tracked the entire way on radar?

and it wasn't a hijacked plane at the Pentagon but it was a hijacked plane in PA? do I have that right?

and the TWO jetliners that were not crashed went where? and WHY would they hijack them and then... uh, send them through the Time Tunnel?

sad and laughable that anyone would embrace this kind of nonsense.

when someone like Kristen Breitweiser talks about 'missing pentagon plane' I *might* take it seriously, but, more likely, I'd suggest counseling for her.

[OKNancy]

13. No kidding

The families of every single person on plane 2 would have to be in on some massive conspiracy to pretend they died. Every funeral was a sham. Oh, I know...how about those people never existed. Yeah, that's it.
(geez)

[Minstrel Boy]

15. Not one person suggests they are.

See my post above with links to reports of Flight 93 landing in Cleveland, and a double of Flight 11 departing Logan.

For the record, I'm not a pod person, and I do believe it was Flight 77, and not a missile, that struck the Pentagon. (Though I do not believe the strikingly incompotent Hani Hanjour had control of the aircraft). But the record of the day is confused, and begs many seemingly strange questions.

[nostamj]

16. Flight 93 landed in Cleveland???

sure... and just the PEOPLE went through the Stargate, is that it?

[Minstrel Boy]

17. I dunno, but here's the original report:

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did not say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

The story was removed only last week, with the explanation "It was a preliminary AP story, and was factually incorrect."

Maybe so. But that's the original story.

[MercutioATC]

115. That was Delta 1989, not United 93.

The initial story was mistaken.

[HFishbine]

19. Yes

Your theory would require that there was a conspiracy to pretend that all those aboard 93 are dead.

[Noodleboy13]

48. I agree.

While there is a lot to be skeptical about with various conspiracies, I'm not going to dismiss them out of hand simply because they differ from the official record. MinstrelBoy here doesn't seem to have his tinfoil hat permentantly grafted or anything, and has provided some links to good info (esp. Cooperative Research)
There are a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11, and I think there are also more than a few unasked questions.
w/r/t the Fox guy's report that the plane didn't have windows....eyewitness reports are often unreliable, especially in times of stress. The collapse of WTC7 is....thought-provoking to say the least.
Discounting the theory that flight 93 was faked because the passengers aren't currently walking around ignores the fact that there are lots of easier ways to kill people than flying them into buildings. Personally though, I think remote controlled planes and missiles are a bit of a stretch, but again, I'll reserve firm judgement until I've seen the material under discussion.

Now I'm going to put on my




:tinfoilhat: cinch the strap tight around my chin, and run yodeling down the street.

Peace,
Noodleboy

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

45. Yes indeed - these conspiracy theories are always wrong

Why can't people just accept the official version of everything?. It's not like the govt or media would flat out lie to us.

[DS1]

47. and not a single person who got on those scheduled flights

neither arrived at their destination nor complained about having to disappear to Cancun with zero notice - either that or the government flew them all out of the country and summarily executed them all one by one

So fucking tired of these conspiracy theories being rehashed just because someeone's got tape of some idiot that can't tell what specific airliner passed over his head, by only seeing the bottom half of the fuselage while already in a mild state of shock from watching the first strike.

Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

54. Hey dude - i was being sarcastic

The govermedia unquestionably lied about 9-11. You need to examine all the holes in the story about the attack on the pentagon. And then explain why WTC7 collapsed even though nothing hit it. And then explain why our defenses did not intercept any of the 4 commercial jets that flew off course for an hour and by hundreds of miles.

[DS1]

59. I don't have to explain shit

You're making the case, you provide the proof, until then I'll selectively piss all over everything you have to say on the matter.

[demodewd]

93. get to it!

The government made the claims. They should provide the proof. So go to it..you and your government that you apparently suck up to have some work to do!

[shance]

57. And I love those of you who shame everyone into shutting up

and try to herd us into some corral of conformist delusional sanitized thought.

sure cant have anyone looking for answers, can we?

LOL! As if you have all the answers.

So glad someone appointed you as our expert. THANK YOU!!

Tell you what.

If you dont give a damn about the truth and you dont have enough self-respect to demand answers to the questions that have been continually overlooked and denied, thats YOUR problem.

[DS1]

60. Well, first off, if you had any answers to your questions it would be OUR

problem. But you don't, so you parrot the same questions over and over again, and do nothing to find the answers.

[shance]

67. Oh take a walk. I didn't parrot anything.

Im just saying get off everyones back about asking questions and trying to have an interesting discussion and find some answers regarding 9/11.

You disagree? GREAT. Just get OFF THEIR BACKS.

I wish you and others would stop trying to ruin an interesting discussion.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

69. JEEEZO - doesn't anyone here get sarcasm??

How blunt do i have to be? The official explanation on 9-11 is an obvious pack of lies.

[shance]

72. I got it Laura. Loved it*

I should have been a little more specific because I was addressing DS1, who is probably a great person, but today they and others are working my last nerve.

Im getting tired of people trying to shut down discussions on topics just because they dont agree. Thats why I appreciated your post because you totally hit the nail on the head.

Thanks*

[ilovenicepeople]

85. By the sounds of it you were with the Fox news guy when he saw the plane

See this is how these stupid conspiracy theories can be debunked,if we can get more people that could remain sane enough to judge an eyewitnesses perception in times of crisis as being skewed then all the rehashing(quest for truth) can stop.If the Fox news guy had mentioned that he saw the "real" plane hit the tower would he still be an idiot?By the way what are you doing hanging out with Fox news employee's?:hi:

[demodewd]

94. re:stupid

Which "stupid conspiracy theory" do you support? The stupid government conspircy theory?

[DulceDecorum]

114. Scheduled flights? Sez who?

Not the Bureau of Transportation Statistics for sure.

[RH]

122. Sez the tickets that were sold.

n/t

[genius]

58. They don't present a conspiracy theory. Just photographic evidence

[DS1]

61. Post it! Post it please!

EVERYONE! WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE!!!!!

*waits*

[HFishbine]

99. Maybe

after a nap.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Not a commercial airliner? Meet Dov Zakheim

In a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" published by The American Enterprise's "Project for a New American Century"(1), System Planning Corporation (SPC) International executive, Dov Zakheim, called for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Dov S. Zakheim is Corporate Vice President of System Planning Corporation (SPC), a high-technology, research, analysis, and manufacturing firm based in Arlington, Virginia. He is also Chief Executive Officer of SPC International Corporation, a subsidiary of SPC that specializes in political, military, and economic consulting, and international sales and analysis. In addition, Dr. Zakheim serves as Consultant to the Secretary of Defense and the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. He is an Adjunct Senior Fellow for Asian Studies of the Council on Foreign Relations, Adjunct Scholar of the Heritage Foundation, and a Senior Advisor at the Center for International and Strategic Studies.

From 1985 until March 1987, Dr. Zakheim was Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Planning and Resources. In that capacity, he played an active role in the Department's system acquisition and strategic planning processes and guided Department of Defense policy in a number of international economic fora. He also successfully negotiated numerous arms cooperation agreements with various U.S. allies.

Dr. Zakheim served the Reagan Administration in a variety of other senior Department of Defense posts from 1981 through 1985. He had served previously as Principal Analyst with the National Security and International Affairs Division of the Congressional Budget Office.

A graduate of Columbia University, New York, where he earned his B.A., Summa Cum Laude and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, Dr. Zakheim also studied at the London School of Economics. Dr. Zakheim earned his doctorate in economics and politics at St. Antony's College, University of Oxford, where he was a National Science Foundation Graduate Fellow, a Columbia College Kellett Fellow, and a post-doctoral Research Fellow. He has served as Adjunct Professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University, and Columbia University and as Presidential Scholar and Adjunct Professor at Trinity College, Hartford, CT.

Dr. Zakheim served for two terms as a Presidential appointee to the United States Commission for the Preservation of America's Heritage Abroad. In 1997 he was appointed by Secretary of Defense Cohen to the Task Force on Defense Reform. In May 1998 Secretary Cohen named him to the first Board of Visitors of the Department of Defense Overseas Regional Schools. In February 2000 he was appointed to the Defense Science Board Task Force on the Impact of DoD Acquisition Policies on the Health of the Defense Industry.

Dr. Zakheim writes, lectures, and provides media commentary on national defense and foreign policy issues, both domestically and internationally, including appearances on major U.S. network news telecasts, CNN's Newshour, Larry King Live, BBC Arab and World Service, and Israeli, Swedish, and Japanese television. He is a columnist for the Jerusalem Post, a regular contributor to Defense News, and an editorial board member of Israel Affairs and of The Round Table (the Commonwealth Journal of International Affairs). He serves on review panels for the Wilson Center for International Scholars, the United States Institute of Peace, and the U.S. Naval Institute. He is the author of Flight of the Lavi: Inside a U.S.-Israeli Crisis (Brassey's, 1996), Congress and National Security in the Post-Cold War Era (The Nixon Center, 1998), and numerous articles and chapters in books. Dr. Zakheim is also a trustee of the Foreign Policy Research Institute; serves on the Board of Directors of Search for Common Ground and of Friends of the Jewish Chapel of the United States Naval Academy; and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and other professional organizations. Dr. Zakheim is a member of the advisory boards of the Center for Security Policy, the Initiative for Peace and Cooperation in the Middle East, and the American Jewish Committee.

Dr. Zakheim is the recipient of the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal (1986), the Bronze Palm to the DoD Distinguished Public Service Medal (1987), Congressional Budget Office Director's Award for Outstanding Service (1979), and the SPC Director's Award for Outstanding Service (1997).

http://www-old.sysplan.com/cgi-bin/NGeneration/S-Corp/Section.pl?RsvCat=Charles%20F.%20Hengels&Mode=Browse&RcdNum=09301998141043&Section=&Category=Roy%20M.%20Smith

Dov S. Zakheim was sworn in as the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense on May 4, 2001. Dr. Zakheim has previously served in a number of key positions in government and private business. Most recently, he was corporate vice president of System Planning Corp., a technology, research and analysis firm based in Arlington, Va. He also served as chief executive officer of SPC International Corp., a subsidiary specializing in political, military and economic consulting. During the 2000 presidential campaign, he served as a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Governor Bush.
http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/biozakheim.html

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[seemslikeadream]

12. Analysis: Defense budget practices probed

Thursday, 02-Oct-2003 10:00AM PDT
Story from United Press International
Copyright 2003 by United Press International (via ClariNet)

MIAMI, Oct. 2 (UPI) --

Zakheim said, however, he was limited in his response because of the ongoing audit of the issue, which originally was sparked by a telephone call to the Pentagon's Defense Hotline.


"Our objective will be to review the allegations to the Defense Hotline concerning funds 'parked' at the U.S. Special Operations Command by the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller)," said a letter from the inspector general's office to Gen. Charles Holland, who has since retired as Special Operations commander.

Among several documents The St. Petersburg Times obtained during its investigation was e-mail sent by Special Operations Command Comptroller Elaine Kingston to colleagues in February 2002.
She said an unidentified official in the Pentagon comptroller's office had asked her if the command could "park" $40 million of research-and-development money in its proposed budget for the 2003 fiscal year.


The programs where the money was placed included missile warning systems on aircraft, infrared equipment on helicopters and radar system. The amounts ranged from $2 million to $5 million.
Kingston said in the e-mail message she coached her colleagues on how to account for the money and avoid attracting congressional attention to it.

"We are doing a favor for the OSD (Office of the Secretary of Defense) which we hope will benefit the command if we should need additional (research and development funds)," the message said.
Young said at the hearing on President Bush's request for $87 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan Tuesday that he wants to know if it is a common practice.

Young is clearly not finished and called it "an obvious attempt to keep from Congress what was happening. I think that would make you suspicious. It makes me a little suspicious."

more

http://quickstart.clari.net/qs_se/webnews/wed/dp/Uus-defense-young-analysis.RUt1_DO2.html


Dov S. Zakheim to Resign from the Department of Defense
March 24, 2004
In this position, Zakheim initiated an enterprise architecture to achieve a vision of simpler budget processes, activity-based costing, and a clean audit by 2007. He oversaw three Department of Defense budgets, each totaling more than $300 billion, and recently proposed a 2005 budget of $401.7 billion. He played a leading role in raising in excess of $13 billion for the reconstruction of Iraq, and walked through six wartime supplementals in support of operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. He further created the Defense Business Board and worked closely with the Office of Management and Budget and the Government Accounting Office on financial management affairs.

“I am proud to have been part of President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld's senior Pentagon team for the past three years,” said Zakheim reflecting on his tour. “It has been an exhilarating, albeit extremely demanding experience. Even as we have addressed the many concerns arising out of the War on Terror and Operations Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle and Iraqi Freedom, including winning both military and financial support from the international community for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, we have also tended to ongoing budget needs to support our forces and defense civilians at home and abroad. We have also made great strides in rectifying the department's antiquated financial management system; we continue to anticipate that DoD will receive clean audits in the not too distant future.”

Regarding Zakheim’s resignation, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, “Dov Zakheim has been a cornerstone to the Department of Defense over the past three years. He has been a leader in helping transform the Department to better address the needs of the 21st century. I thank him for his commitment and his counsel. He will be missed.”

Zakheim was sworn in to his current position May 4, 2001. Prior to that, his government service included a number of key positions, to include from 1985 until March 1987, as the deputy under secretary of defense for planning and resources in the office of the under secretary of defense (policy). He also held a variety of other Department of Defense posts from 1981-1985 and served with the National Security and International Affairs Division of the Congressional Budget Office.

During other periods of Zakheim’s career, he served as a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Gov. Bush, during the 2000 presidential campaign. Prior to that, he was the corporate vice president of System Planning Corporation (SPC), a technology, research and analysis firm. He also served as chief executive officer of SPC International Corp., a subsidiary specializing in political, military and economical consulting.
http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-news+article+storyid-635.html

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.

Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.

"The director looked at me and said 'Why do you care about this stuff?' It took me aback, you know? My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job," said Minnery.

He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.

"They have to cover it up," he said. "That's where the corruption comes in. They have to cover up the fact that they can't do the job."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

[HFishbine]

18. Just one example

of how consiracy theorists make subtle leaps around the facts:

"Dov Zakheim, called for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"

No. He didn't.

He was a signitory to a document that actually said, "Furthermore, the process of transformation {to new miliatry technologies and operational concepts}, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to ba a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor." (1)

Zakhiem didn't "call for" a catastrophic event at all, so the protrait of a boogey man that follows is built on a falacy to begin with. Typical sloppy crap necessary to side-step the facts at hand.

1) http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[Selwynn]

21. Bingo.

Conspiracy theory is such a fascinating subject to me, because its practitioners are among the worst logical thinkers alive today, guilty of virtually every kind of critical thinking bias there is. It makes excellent case studies for what not to do in pursuing the rational reasoned life...

We can speculate that based on what we know of the PNAC agenda, its members would desire a "new pearl harbor" but that is speculation. And somehow that speculation gets turned into dishonest misrepresentation of what is actually said, until pretty soon it is just treated as fact to support conclusions already held without scrutiny...

[nostamj]

22. logic to these people

is like garlic or sunshine to a vampire...

and, sadly, these wild theories discredit legitimate questioning of what happened that day... <sigh>

[HFishbine]

27. That's exactly why they raise my ire

Because the sloppy logic that leads to preposterous theories deligitimizes real questions.

[merh]

52. I couldn't agree with you more...

And sadly, there are some on DU that find links to articles that become "facts" because they are in writing and are on the internet, thus they confirm their "conspiracy theories". I have never known of a journalist's interpretation of events becoming evidence. Most court's do not accept newspaper or magazine articles as evidence.

(Of course, the articles regarding Plame's identity are not the evidence of the outing, it is the communications between the WH and the writer that are the facts, and thus the evidence.)

The sloppy investigations detract from true investigations or the need for true investigations because they are associated with crazed, conspiracy theorist. (imho)

[demodewd]

97. and so...

So whatever the Feds and the major networks interpret as facts surrounding 9-11 is to believed as evidence?

[HFishbine]

100. Strawman

It's not an either or proposition. It's not a matter of beleiving that remote controled plans, nuclear bombs in basements and guided missles were the tools of 9/11 or the official line.

But questions about the official line are not evidence of alternate theories either.

[demodewd]

102. official line

But the official line is not evidence. It is a conspiracy theory...nothing more and merits no preferential treatment over other lines of inquiry.

[HFishbine]

104. Okee Doke

See, in my diminished mental capacity, I was thinking that the available evidence went a lot farther in supporting the official line than the lack of evidence goes toward supporting alternate theories. Glad you set me straight though. Thanks.

[demodewd]

112. tell me

Well... please let me in on all this available evidence of the official line. I'm all ears.

[Occulus]

44. You really have to frame the statement

in the context of the rest of the paper and what it said up to that point. The PNAC paper "Rebuilding America's Defenses" is an argument FOR increased militarization.

In that context, we can very safely preasume the adherents to such a policy would wish it to be implemented quickly. That's why that statement is so chilling: they're fervently hoping people will assume their government would never do anything to directly harm them for the benefit of persons both in and out of positions of power.

They're hiding their wishes and ambitions in plain sight; it really isn't a stretch of logic at all to come to that conclusion. The accuracy of the conclusion may be nil, but it's a legitimate question to consider.

[demodewd]

96. proof

So what proof do you have that 9-11 happened just like the govenment said it did? I don't want any wacky conspiracy speculation now just proof.

[HFishbine]

101. None

None whatsoever. From all that I have seen it is just as plausible that airline passengers were vanished and that nuclear bombs were placed in the basement of the WTC... Not.

[demodewd]

103. re: plausibility

I think it is all very plausible if you consider that something else happened besides the official line. What did happen to the passengers? Were they gassed to death and buried in mass graves? To me that's plausible but I'm sure there are other reasonable explanations.

[HFishbine]

105. "gassed to death and buried in mass graves?"

Oh! Okay! See, I hadn't considered that. But now that you offer it as a possibility I can see how that is just as likely as "the official line." Thanks!

[demodewd]

109. re: gassed

You're welcome :D

[leesa]

24. Keep that head in the sand.

I would be willing to explore Dov Zakheim if I were you. He had the technology available and believed the event was necessary for their agenda to be implemented...and he also stole enough funding to make it possible. I personally think he applied his approach to the airliners though.

It may not be true in the end, but closed-minded attitudes like yours make it likely it is never investigated even though the fantasy you swallowed from the White House is entirely implausible. Are you always so gullible?

[nostamj]

25. better sand than shit

and, BTW, refusing to follow every crackpot scenerio does NOT imply belief in the 'official story'...

a LOT went wrong that morning and we don't know the truth BUT 'theories' like 'no pentagon place' 'controlled demolition of WTC7' and now this ridiculous stuff about the 2nd WTC impact or Flight 93 landing in Cleveland...

[HFishbine]

29. Exactly!

Thank you. Refuting unfounded theories does not mean no questions are to be asked. But some people act as if unanswered questions are de facto proof of any theory they would like to imagine.

[HFishbine]

28. Let's look at what you just wrote

" {He} believed the event was necessary for their agenda to be implemented..."

An assumption necessary for you to direct your reasoning down the path you want to take it, but where is the founding in reality? What supports that claim?

It's not gullible to demand factual support or at least clear logic. In fact, it's gullible to operate from unfounded assumptions. I get enough of that kind of thinking from the Bush administration, thank you.

[donco6]

36. I just don't have time to chase down silly rabbit holes

Honestly, don't you have anything more worthwhile to spend your time on that following this idiotic, illogical, pathetically far-fetched crap? For me to spend time researching something, it has to have at least a surface-value plausibility. This doesn't even fill that bill.

[seemslikeadream]

55. If you find any more typical sloppy crap in the other 25 links

I've posted please let me know. I would appreciate it.

[Minstrel Boy]

64. Did PNAC get lucky, or "good"?

The "process of transformation" is one they sought. Agreed?

In their own document, they say America would take the long road getting there if the status quo were maintained. Agreed?

What was 9/11 to them? An opportunity, or a tragedy?

[HFishbine]

70. An opportunity

And this proves that a plan didn't hit the pentagon and that a remote controlled cargo plan hit the WTC how?

[Minstrel Boy]

75. I don't know why your asking me that,

because I believe neither of those, and have said so above.

I was addressing your remarks regarding seemslikeadream's shorthand re: PNAC and the "catalyzing event."

[HFishbine]

80. Shorthand?

Falsely quoting someone as "calling for" a Pearl Harbor-like event is hardly shorthand. It's a blatant distortion.

[seemslikeadream]

82. HFishbine you can have your "blatant distortion".

Now find one word that is not fact in any of the other 25 links I've posted.

[HFishbine]

86. I'll take the reast of your post on face value

because I don't have the time to fact check. But so what? At best you've demonstrated possible corruption. I know what your trying to imply, but you are miles away from anything approaching evidence of a MIHOP theory.

[seemslikeadream]

88. You have no idea what I'm trying to imply

since you don't have the time to fact check my posts or maybe you did and can't find a factual error and are using time for an excuse. You made time for one, why not all the rest. So again please stop saying you know what I'm trying to imply. Thanks

[HFishbine]

89. Tiresome

Here's what happened. Having read the PNAC's plan, your false quotation jumped out at me immeadiately -- it was so shamelessly innacurate.

As for what you're trying to imply, if I don't know, then it's because you aren't making yourself clear. Why don't you just spell it out for me? What is it you are trying to say?

[seemslikeadream]

95. What is tiresome is you clinging to a fact that I have already

given to you #82

HFishbine you can have your "blatant distortion".

So why bring it up again?

I am not trying to imply anything. I am just stating facts. Make of the them what you will. (or won't)

on edit

Like I said before if you find another distortion just let me know I will surely consider a retraction.

[HFishbine]

98. "I am not trying to imply anything."

And your first post in this thread was: "Not a commercial airliner? Meet Dov Zakheim" Right. Nothing implied there.

Here's what I make of your facts: 0

And here's what I say when a poster resorts to intellectual dishonesty: "See ya! Have a nice day."

[Minstrel Boy]

83. let's have some context

seemslikeadream wrote that, in "Rebuilding America's Defenses", Dov Zakheim, as a PNAC signatory, "called for 'some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor' being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East"

Please consider the bolded text.

No one has said that PNAC openly solicited a catastrophe to be visited upon America. Rather, that PNAC stated a catastrophe would be necessary to accelerate the process they desired.

You've admitted PNAC regarded 9/11 as an opportunity. So why are we talking about this? Can we split some other hairs for a change?

[HFishbine]

87. Sure

If factual accuracy is splitting hairs to you, then I agree, let's drop it. But on my way out, I'll note that you continue to let a distortion stand. Zakheim did not say that a Pearl Harbor-like event would be "necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East" -- not even close.

[seemslikeadream]

79. And this proves that a plan didn't hit the pentagon and that a remote cont

I never posted anything of the sort so please don't infer otherwise

[Sterling]

113. Seems like he is wishing it pretty hard though.

Kinda like the fundies who are embarassed that the world has not ended yet. He is either related to Nastradumass or he was visualizing an event that would set a very important agenda into action.

Convienently it occured at just the right time in W's term to ensure the policies of said agenda are enacted.


This is important. It shows they imagined the crime of 9-11 as being helpful to their agenda before it ever happened.

[Selwynn]

20. Blah Blah.... once again...

These theories would require there to be a massive conspiracy amoung the families of the 93 people to fake their death, disappear them and continue to pretend they are dead.

All this information doesn't change that.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

50. The gover-media could easily pull this off

Until bush got into office i laughed at the conspiracy crowd too, but so much craziness has occurred in the last 4 years and they've gotten away with it. Look at the blatant stealing of the 2000 election and the lies the gover-media fed us about iraq. They're lying about 9-11 too. And don't forget that bush's conspiracy theory that the arabs did 9-11 because "they hate our freedom" is pretty wacky too.

[Tight_rope]

81. Don't be so shallow...just cause you don't see it doesn't mean it's not th

not there...Time and science have been able to prove soo much. We may not find out the truth in our life time...but Truth "ALWAYS" finds it's way to the surface. Especially, when people are on their death beds.

[Tsiyu]

26. Scary Lookin' Feller

And where did he get a name like Dov?

Ain't MIHOP seeming like more and more a possibility when one digs deeper and sees the * Admin's response play out....?

[seemslikeadream]

32. Grand old profiteering

So where is that missing $1.1 trillion?



In a report to the DoD comptroller, Undersecretary of Defense Dov Zakheim, acting Assistant Inspector General for Auditing David Steensma wrote: "We reported that DOD processed $1.1 trillion in unsupported accounting entries to DOD Component financial data used to prepare departmental reports and DOD financial statements for FY2000. For FY2001 we did not attempt to quantify amounts of unsupported accounting entries; however, we did confirm that DOD continued to enter material amounts of unsupported accounting entries to the financial data."

What this gibberish means is that the DoD still cannot account for at least $1.1 trillion from fiscal 2000 under former president Bill Clinton, and the assistant inspector general of DOD wouldn't even touch the unsupported money expenditures for fiscal 2001 because "material amounts" still couldn't be accounted for properly in the year George W. Bush came to power. The trillion-dollar question is how much is "material amounts"? Because the auditor would not "quantify" the amount, some fear it's worse than the previous year's unaccounted for $1.1 trillion.

Of course the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White, had an excuse. In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a "stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

So where is that missing $1.1 trillion? Traditionally the top dogs at the Pentagon haven't liked the word "missing." The rationale at DoD has been that just because the money can't be accounted for doesn't mean it is lost, stolen or strayed. According to Susan Hansen, a spokeswoman for DoD: "These are unsupported entries. When the auditors go to audit the books and they look at the balance sheet for the year, someone has entered in an adjustment because they made an error somewhere."
more
http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=246188

Yet even Allbaugh is small-time compared to the latest defector to the private sector, Pentagon comptroller Dov Zakheim, who announced two weeks ago that he will be leaving for a partnership at Booz Allen Hamilton, the technology and management strategy giant that is one of the nation's biggest defense contractors. Although Zakheim is not nearly as familiar as Condoleezza Rice, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, or Defense Policy Board member Richard Perle, he too has been identified as one of the ultrahawkish "Vulcans" who shaped Bush foreign and military policy from its earliest days. Zakheim has bustled through the revolving doors before, serving as a deputy undersecretary of defense during the Reagan administration, where he worked for Perle before leaving government to join a missile-defense contractor.

At the mammoth Booz Allen firm, Zakheim will join R. James Woolsey, the former director of central intelligence and Perle associate on the Bush Defense Policy Board. These were the defense intellectuals who favored invading Iraq long before Sept. 11 -- and long before any U.N. resolutions on the topic were introduced.
So far Booz Allen has yet to win any major Iraq contracts of its own, although it has shared Pentagon boodle for several years with Kellogg Brown & Root, the Halliburton subsidiary that is by far the biggest contractor out there. (At a recent hearing on Halliburton's scandal-scarred performance in Iraq, Zakheim did his best to defend the vice president's old company. "They're not doing a great job," he shrugged, "but they're not doing a terrible job.")

Booz Allen swiftly jumped on the Baghdad bandwagon last May, when it co-sponsored (with the Republican-connected insurance giant American International Group) a postwar conference on "The Challenges for Business in Rebuilding Iraq" that featured speeches by Woolsey and Undersecretary of Defense Zakheim. (The price of admission for industry executives ranged from $528 to $1,100 a head.) Included was the chance for executives to participate in a "not-for-attribution session that will permit a dynamic, frank exchange of views on the opportunities and challenges businesses will face in post-conflict Iraq."

More recently, Booz Allen was listed as a partner in a controversial $327 million contract to outfit the new Iraqi army. The prime contractor in this murky deal was Nour America Inc., which on closer inspection turned out to be controlled by a close associate of Ahmad Chalabi, the dubious former exile promoted by Perle, Woolsey and their ideological associates as the best possible leader for Iraq after Saddam. Chalabi is a leading member of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council and enjoys enormous influence inside the Defense Department, which issued the Nour contract. Unfortunately Nour had scant qualifications, if any, for the lucrative contract. After protests from more qualified contractors who had lost out, the contract was withdrawn for rebidding. Meanwhile, Booz Allen denied any role in the Nour affair, aside from a post-bid $50,000 consulting contract.

more
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:iUASMhjvMuIJ:www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/03/30/profiteers/+Booz+Allen+Hamilton+Zakheim&hl=en

GovCon Executive Speaker Series Featuring Former DCI James Woolsey

The GovCon Council is pleased to present this event in partnership with the International Exchange Business Council (IBEC), an emerging initiative of the Fairfax County Chamber.

R. James Woolsey has said that strategic security is the greatest challenge the business world faces today. In his role as a Vice President and officer in Booz Allen Hamilton’s Global Assurance practice, Mr. Woolsey helps corporations and government agencies integrate security into their strategic business planning in an effort to protect the vital networks upon which we all depend.

Those networks - electricity grids, oil and gas pipelines, telecommunications infrastructures, financial systems, food production and delivery systems and hundreds of others - are constructed to be responsive to the public and easily accessed and maintained. However, in a post-September 11 world, these characteristics translate to vulnerability.

COMPANIES ON THE GROUND:
THE CHALLENGES FOR BUSINESS IN REBUILDING IRAQ
1 May 2003 - Washington DC
SPEAKERS

Kenneth H Bacon, President, Refugees International (confirmed)
Ashton Carter, Ford Foundation Professor of Science and International Affairs, Harvard University (confirmed)
Anthony H. Cordesman, Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy, CSIS (confirmed)
Pat Cronin, Assistant Administrator, U.S. Agency for International Development (confirmed)
Ambassador James Dobbins, Director, International Security and Defense Policy, RAND Corporation (confirmed)
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative (D-CA), Ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (confirmed)
Ambassador Wolfgang Ischinger, German Ambassador to the United States (confirmed)
Zoran Kusovac, Jane's Intelligence Review Correspondent (confirmed)
Alan Larson, Undersecretary for Economic Affairs, State Department (confirmed)
Martin Levine, Senior Managing Director, Shorebank Advisory Services (confirmed)
General William Nash (ret.), Director, Center for Preventive Action, Council on Foreign Relations (confirmed)
Thomas Pickering, Senior Vice President of International Relations, The Boeing Company, former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs (confirmed)
David Rothkopf, Chairman & CEO, Intellibridge Corporation (confirmed)

Rubar Sandi, President of the U.S.-Iraq Business Council (confirmed)
James Steinberg, Vice President and Director, Foreign Policy Studies Program, Brookings Institution, former Deputy National Security Advisor (confirmed)
John Taylor, Undersecretary for International Affairs, Department of the Treasury (confirmed)
James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton, Inc., CSIS Trustee (confirmed)
Daniel B Yergin, Chairman, Cambridge Energy Research Associates (confirmed)
Dov S. Zakheim, Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) (confirmed)
http://www.janes.com/defence/conference/rebuilding_iraq/speaker_info.shtml
http://www.gcn.com/events/16483.html

[AntiCoup2K4]

65. Great.... yet another Likud spy working in the US government

Connect the goddamn dots people.

[Must_B_Free]

14. Road apples for shit eaters

open up wide! Here comes a pantload!

[RedSock]

31. what happened to planes?

one idea that just came to mind:

since we know that remote control of planes is possible and had been tested many times before 9/11, how about if a plane was directed over the ocean and then crashed in the water?

i'm not saying i believe it, but if that happened, no one would have seen it crash, no wreckage, no bodies ... that would be one way to get rid of the passengers and have that cargo plane (or whatever that FOX guy thinks he saw) crash into WTC.

?????

I am very curious about this film, though.

[Must_B_Free]

51. Why go through all the trouble?

Why not just push money to an islamic front organization and brainwash believers to crash planes into buildings?

This film is an algamation of all the evidence and arguments made since it happened. I have reviewed the majority of this information as it was discovered / created.

My opinion is that it is a non starter and it draws attention away from the real issues. I am firmly in the MIHOP camp, but I don't think it fruitful to invest efforts and credibility in things that are wildly speculatory and can't really be proven and have been disproven to some extent. Many of us have seen pictures of the metal strip on the pentagon lawn. Many of have seen pictures of the jet engine parts inside the wreckage of the pentagon.

This explanation is far too complicated and required the creation of far too much fiction.

My 2 cents - from someone who has looked at it.

To me, this guy is another Al Martin or Alex Jones. The UFO industry has taught people that they can hustle materials and make a buck off of anything controversial.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

56. Engine parts inside the pentagon????

What does that prove?. What i'd like to know is - Where was the fuselage and the wings??? The govt says they were vaporized!!!

[MercutioATC]

117. What does that prove??? It proves an airplane crash (unless you're

among the "all of the evidence was planted" crowd).

If there were plane parts, only two scenarios are possible. Either a plane crash occurred or somebody planted the parts.

I just want to know who planted the big-ass fuselage piece on the lawn of the Pentagon without anybody seeing them do it...

[RH]

120. If you really want to know.

Calm down. Do the work. Search the site archive. Look for instance for "Sandia".

Aluminum burns. Planes disintegrate.

Long since there were nine "Post Your Pentagon Crash QUESTIONS Here" threads. Already they went over it all, tediously.

Upon examination it turns out that no government report ever said "vaporized", no matter how many exclamation marks you care to invoke!!!!

And in return please tell me, how did the five lamp poles fall if they were not hit by a B757?

[demodewd]

106. too sloppy

Its too sloppy. Too many uncontrollable variables. Everything had to be controlled.

[MercutioATC]

116. Radar would see it...

Funny thing, radar...it doesn't need to be looking for anything specific to see things...and it's all recorded so it can be reviewed at a later date...

[GoneOffShore]

30. Excuse me

while I fetch my
:tinfoilhat: :boring:

[donsu]

33. kick

nt

[seemslikeadream]

34. DoD Statement on Jack Shaw and the Iraq Telecommunications Contract

For several months there have been allegations in the press that activities of John A. Shaw, Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for International Technology Security, were under investigation by the Inspector General of the Department of Defense (DoD IG). The allegations were examined by DoD IG criminal investigators in Baghdad and a criminal investigation was never opened.



Furthermore, attempts to discredit Shaw and his report on Iraqi telecommunications contracting matters were brought to the attention of the DoD IG and were accordingly referred to the FBI.



Shaw carried out his duties in the investigation of Iraqi telecommunications matters pursuant to the authorities spelled out in the Memorandum of Understanding between the DoD IG and the Acting Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics. Shaw provided a copy of his report to the DOD IG and, at the request of the Coalition Provisional Authority, to the Iraqi National Communications and Media Commission.



Shaw is not now, nor has he ever been, under investigation by the DoD IG. Any questions concerning FBI activities should be addressed to the FBI.
http://www.dod.mil/releases/2004/nr20040810-1103.html

[seemslikeadream]

42. The smear campaign against whistleblower Jack Shaw

Official: Pentagon Deputy Used Unauthorized Probes to Secure Lucrative Con


July 07, 2004

By: T. Christian Miller
Los Angeles Times


Schmitz canceled the agreement two weeks after Shaw was first accused of tampering with the emergency phone network contract. Schmitz declined to comment, but in his letter canceling the arrangement, he praised Shaw for "outstanding leadership."

Shaw used the agreement to win permission to visit Iraq last fall. In an Oct. 28 letter to Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, head of the U.S. Central Command, Shaw said he wanted to "investigate those who threatened the national security of the United States through the transfer of advanced technologies to Iraq."

Specifically, Shaw said he planned to identify countries that had smuggled contraband weapons into Iraq and catalog existing conventional weapons stockpiles.

Although he did not mention it in the letter, Shaw also was interested in investigating operations at the port of Umm al Qasr.

Last summer, Shaw was visited by Richard E. Powers, a longtime friend and lobbyist. Powers was representing SSA Marine, a Seattle- based port operations company that had won a controversial limited-bid contract in the early days of the war to manage the troubled port.

more

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=8028&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

[seemslikeadream]

35. Winds of Change:Troubled Waters Ahead For the Neo Cons

by
Wayne Madsen

The neo-con attack on Shaw was predictable considering their previous attacks on Ambassador Joe Wilson, his wife Valerie Plame, former U.S. Central Command chief General Anthony Zinni, former counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, CIA counter-terrorism agent Michael Scheuer (the "anonymous" author of Imperial Hubris who has recently been gagged by the Bush administration), fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds (who likely discovered a penetration by Israeli and other intelligence assets using the false flag of the Turkish American Council and who also has been gagged by the Bush administration), and all those who took on the global domination cabal. But Shaw showed incredible moxie. When he decided to investigate Pentagon Inspector General Reports that firms tied to Perle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz were benefiting from windfall profit contracts in Iraq, Shaw decided to go to Iraq himself to find out what was going on. When Shaw was denied entry into Iraq by U.S. military officers (yes, a top level official of the Defense Department was denied access to Iraq by U.S. military personnel!), he decided to sneak into the country disguised as a Halliburton contractor. Using the cover of Cheney's old company to get the goods on Cheney's friends' illegal activities was yet another masterful stroke of genius by Shaw. But it also earned him the wrath of the neo-cons. They soon leaked a story to the Los Angeles Times claiming that Shaw actually snuck into Iraq to ensure that Qualcomm (on whose board sat a friend of Shaw's) was awarded a lucrative cell network contract.

But nothing could be further from the truth. Shaw, who worked for Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, represented the Old Guard Republican entity that in August 2003 set up shop in the Pentagon right under the noses of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith to investigate the neo-con cabal and their illegal contract deals. The entity, known as the International Armament and Technology Trade Directorate, was soon shut down as a result of neo-con pressure. Not to be deterred, Shaw continued his investigation of the neo-cons. Although the neo-cons told the Los Angeles Times that the FBI was investigating Shaw, the reverse was the case: the FBI was investigating the neo-cons, particularly Perle and Wolfowitz, for fraudulent activities involving Iraqi contracts. And in worse news for the neo-cons: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was giving the Inspector General's and Shaw's investigations a "wink and a nod" of approval.

The financial stakes for the Pentagon are high - the Iraqi CPA's Inspector General recently revealed that over $1 billion of Iraqi money was missing from the audit books on Iraqi contracts. For Shaw and the FBI, it was a matter of what they suspected for many years - that Perle, Wolfowitz, and their comrades were running entities that ensured favorable treatment for Israeli activities - whether they were business opportunities in a U.S.-occupied Arab country or protecting Israeli spies operating within the U.S. defense and intelligence establishments.

Shaw certainly must have recalled how, during the Reagan administration, an Israeli spy named Jonathan Pollard was able to steal massive amounts of sensitive U.S. intelligence over a long period of time and hand it over to his Israeli control officer, a dangerous and deadly agent provocateur named Rafael "Rafi" Eitan. That had disastrous effects on U.S. intelligence operations throughout the world because some of the documents were handed by the Israelis to the Soviets in return for letting more Soviet Jews emigrate to Israel.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change_summary.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

37. Defense Official Probed on Contracts

Los Angeles Times
July 07, 2004
T. Christian Miller

Washington -- A senior Defense Department official conducted unauthorized investigations of Iraq reconstruction efforts and used their results to push for lucrative contracts for friends and their business clients, according to current and former Pentagon officials and documents.
John "Jack" Shaw, deputy undersecretary for international technology security, represented himself as an agent of the Pentagon's inspector general in conducting the investigations this year, sources said.

In one case, Shaw disguised himself as an employee of Halliburton Co. and gained access to a port in southern Iraq after he was denied entry by the U.S. military, the sources said.

In that investigation, Shaw found problems with operations at the port of Umm al Qasr, Pentagon sources said. In another, he criticized a competition sponsored by the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority to award cell phone licenses in Iraq.

In both cases, Shaw urged government officials to fix the alleged problems by directing multimillion-dollar contracts to companies linked to his friends, without competitive bidding, according to the Pentagon sources and documents. In the case of the port, the clients of a lobbyist friend won a no- bid contract for dredging

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/unitedstates/democracy/2253.html


Pentagon urges repeal of Iraq phone contracts
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


The Pentagon has asked the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad to cancel three contracts for Iraqi cell phone networks worth about $500 million annually, citing fraud and the companies' links to an Iraqi-born Briton with ties to Saddam Hussein.
A June 14 memorandum from John A. Shaw, deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, says an investigation uncovered "fraud on the Ministry of Communications by Orascom, Atheer and AsiaCell."

The companies are suspected of rigging the bids for the cell phone contracts in favor of Nadhmi Auchi, who owns part of Orascom and a controlling interest in the bank BNP Paribas, which "is the French bank selected by Saddam Hussein to run the Oil for Food program."
"His role in assisting the Saddam regime, to his own immense profit, makes all three firms ineligible under Section 6.1.4 in that all the evidence strongly indicates Auchi had a direct or indirect ownership interest in all three firms at the time of signature, and his role continues today," the memorandum said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040621-115845-4340r.htm

[seemslikeadream]

39. Tracking weapons

NUSACC welcomes Kuwaiti Minister of Commerce & Industry
Monday, March 1st, 2004, U.S.-Arab Tradeline
Rebecca Givner-Forbes
TEXT On February 6, the National US-Arab Chamber of Commerce (NUSACC) welcomed to Washington H.E. Abdullah Al-Taweel, Kuwait’s Minister of Commerce and Industry, with a luncheon at the Four Seasons Hotel. More than fifty representatives from the government, press, business, and trade associations turned out for this high-level event.
Minister Al-Taweel arrived in the US on February 5 with his delegation, composed of government and private sector leaders, to sign a Trade and Investment Framework Agreement (TIFA) with the US Trade Representative, Ambassador Robert Zoellick. NUSACC’s luncheon kicked off the delegation’s five-day visit.
NUSACC’s President, David Hamod, opened the event by welcoming Minister Al-Taweel and introducing Kuwait’s ambassador to the United States, H.E. Salem Al-Sabah. The Ambassador characterized the strong US-Kuwaiti alliance as “Partners in Peace,” describing Kuwait as a gateway into Iraq. He concluded by stating that Kuwait was working to recapture its leading trade and commerce status in the region and that Kuwait’s “prime partner in that effort will be the United States.”
The second guest speaker was Hon. John A. Shaw, Deputy Under Secretary for International Technology Security at the Department of Defense, who shared valuable information on the contracting process for Iraq reconstruction projects. He also described Kuwait’s vital role in providing inroads to Iraq and the opportunities available to Kuwaiti businesses to supply reconstruction materials.
Mr. Shaw highlighted efforts that are underway by the Public Affairs Committee of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) to improve the contracting process. In addition, he announced the establishment of an Inspector General’s office to improve the way reconstruction resources are distributed. The Inspector General’s office will have a significant presence, and will “alter the way a lot of things are being done on the ground,” Mr. Shaw contended.
The Iraqi office will be modeled on the one that was established in Kuwait to manage funds that the US provided for reconstruction there. In that case, a full $75 million was allotted for the Inspector General’s office to oversee $18.5 billion in reconstruction funds.
Speaking about future contract opportunities, Deputy Under Secretary Shaw noted that a lot of resources would be directed at further developing the infrastructure at Um Qasr and expanding the port’s capacity. He also reached out to the Kuwaiti delegation, emphasizing that opportunities would be available not only for American companies but for regional players as well.
more
http://www.arabdatanet.com/news/DocResults.asp?DocId=5953

Tracking weapons
The Pentagon has started an effort with the difficult task of tracking conventional arms transfers around the world and working to fix weak weapons-export controls.

The program is led by John Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, who also is a Pentagon inspector general for international armament and trade through a memorandum of understanding with the Pentagon inspector general.

"We handle international technology-transfer issues, as well as the investigative side of things," said Edward Timperlake, the Pentagon's director of technology assessment, who works with Mr. Shaw.

The focus of the effort is not on weapons of mass destruction. Rather, the group is looking at conventional arms and dual-use items with commercial as well as military applications. The program began after Operation Iraqi Freedom, which uncovered huge stockpiles of foreign weapons in Iraq. The weapons came from a variety of suppliers, including Russia, France and China.
more
http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/ring022704.html

Kuwait Economic Mission Urges Closer U.S. Ties
A high-level delegation from Kuwait came to Washington last week showcasing business opportunities in the nation, particularly regarding reconstruction projects in Iraq. Keeping up the profile of wireless broadband as key in the communications component of such projects, I participated on behalf of WCA in a luncheon Friday at the Four Seasons Hotel in Washington, hosted by the National U.S.-Arab Chamber of Commerce and its new President David Hamod. Featured speakers included Kuwait Minister of Commerce and Industry Abdullah Al-Taweel and the Hon. John A. Shaw, who is Deputy Under Secretary for International Technology Security at the U.S. Department of Defense. A key figure in the reconstruction effort, he described the Coalition Provision Authority website http://www.rebuilding-iraq.net as the best first stop for any would-be contractor. I spoke with the featured speakers at the luncheon, a fairly intimate function introduced by Kuwait's Ambassador to the U.S. and with about 55 attendees - members of the National US-Arab Chamber of Commerce, Kuwait Chamber of Commerce & Industry, relevant U.S. government and Kuwait government agencies, plus Reuters and the Washington Times. These are the kinds of ties that WCA fosters for members through the year, and will be especially prominent during WCA 2004 this June in Washington, DC. For those with more immediate interests in Kuwait opportunities, visit the site of the Kuwait Chamber of Commerce & Industry (www.kcci.org.kw ), illustrating a major theme from the Friday luncheon, "Kuwait: A launching pad for the region."
http://www.wcai.com/hs_news2004.htm


New agency for Iraq contracts
by correspondents in London, news.com.au
October 14th, 2003



THE United States will create a new agency, under the aegis of the Pentagon, to oversee the distribution of contracts to rebuild Iraq, a US defence official told a conference today.

The new agency, as yet unnamed, will be introduced at the beginning of next month under the direction of retired admiral David Nash, said Deputy Under-Secretary of Defence for International Technology Security John Shaw.
It will be charged with coordinating sub-contracting work in Iraq, notably by US groups Bechtel and Halliburton, the main contractors in Iraq's reconstruction, Shaw told the Doing Business in Iraq conference.

Shaw admitted there were "divergences" between the US Agency for International Development (USAID) - responsible for the rebuilding of Iraq under the supervision of the State Department - and the Department of Defence over the distribution of sub-contracts.

The US administration was represented by several officials at the conference, which also heard calls for Western firms to set aside their doubts and help to rebuild war-torn Iraq.
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=1383


Nomination of John A. Shaw To Be an Assistant Secretary of Commerce
September 12, 1991
The President today announced his intention to nominate John A. Shaw, of Maryland, to be an Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Export Enforcement. He would succeed Quincy Mellon Krosby.

Since 1988 Dr. Shaw has served as Associate Deputy Secretary of the Department of Commerce. Prior to this Dr. Shaw served as senior advisor to the Administrator of the Agency for International Development, 1988; and as vice president for Washington Operations for the Hudson Institute, 1987 - 1988.

Dr. Shaw graduated from Williams College, (B.A., 1962) and Cambridge University (M.A., 1967: and Ph.D., 1976). He was born July 1, 1939, in Philadelphia, PA. Dr. Shaw is married, has two children, and resides in Washington, DC
http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/papers/1991/91091208.html

[seemslikeadream]

40. Wolfowitz Approves New DTSA Under Feith September 6, 2001

Defense Daily - September 6, 2001

Wolfowitz Approves New DTSA Under Feith
Tarbell To Retire

As expected, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz on Friday approved shifting what is now the Technology Security Directorate (TSD) out from under the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) overseen by Pentagon acquisition chief Pete Aldridge to the control of DoD policy chief Douglas Feith, and renaming it the Defense Technology Security Administration (DTSA), according to documents and officials.

TSD Director Dave Tarbell disclosed the shift yesterday during the ComDef 2001 conference in Washington, D.C. Tarbell also disclosed plans to retire and seek a new career in industry. Lisa Bronson will replace Tarbell as the head of the new DTSA under Feith, while Jack Shaw will serve as Aldridge’s point man on export control issues.

Pentagon officials suggested the move in July to improve the export competitiveness of U.S. suppliers by shifting export control oversight away from DTRA, which is charged with controlling the proliferation of defense technologies, a mission in opposition to DTSA’s charge (Defense Daily, July 30).

"The Director, Administration and Management in coordination with the Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the General Counsel, DoD, will take the actions necessary to implement this decision," Wolfowitz wrote in an Aug. 31 memo authorizing the changes that was obtained by Defense Daily. "The Under Secretary for Policy shall ensure that there is appropriate coordination with the Under Secretary of Acquisition, Technology and Logistics on technology security matters. The latter has important responsibilities, especially relating to international defense industrial cooperation, that should be taken into account in the formulation and implementation of export licensing policy."

more
http://www.clw.org/atop/newswire/nw090701.html

[seemslikeadream]

84. SO NOW IT IS PAYBACK TIME

Adding insult to injury, neither the CIA nor FBI were happy that Israeli spies operating under the cover of Israeli "art students' and moving van operators, and who were picked up by federal agents and local "first responder" law enforcement officers before and after 911, were quickly deported by immigration officers before they could be fully interrogated. The penetration of FBI and other federal law enforcement data networks and databases by Israeli software and telecommunications companies working under U.S. government contracts has also left a bitter taste in the mouths of federal law enforcement and intelligence personnel.

So now, it is payback time. The recent arrest warrants issued by the Iraqi government for Ahmed and Salem Chalabi (Ahmed's for counterfeiting Iraqi dinars and Salem's for murdering an Iraqi Finance Ministry official) indicates that Shaw's instincts about the fraud engaged in by them and their neo-con friends in the Pentagon were right on the money. Let us ponder that news again: the lead prosecutor against Saddam Hussein murders an official of the Iraqi Finance Ministry - an individual that just may have known something about what happened to $1 billion in missing Iraqi revenues. The accused is a partner of an Israeli-U.S. lawyer who is a close colleague of leading neo-cons in the Pentagon (some of whom are also dual U.S.-Israeli citizens) and the nephew of a man who was supported bureaucratically by a former CIA Director (James Woolsey), financially by hundreds of millions of dollars from the budget of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and politically by a think tank (AEI) that includes the wife of the Vice President of the United States. Uncle Ahmed was also a personal guest of George W. and Laura Bush in the VIP box at the 2004 State of the Union address. The President and First Lady welcomed a person who now is now an accused criminal to America's State of the Union address, a person whose nephew is now an accused murderer! John Le Carre could not have come up with a better international thriller scenario.

The recent decision by the chief judge in the Plame leak to order NBC's Tim Russert to testify about just who it was at the White House that contacted him about Plame's identity, while troubling for First Amendment freedom of the press protections, is an indication that time is growing short for the leakers. Three months before a U.S. presidential election, that could be a crucial windfall for John Kerry and the Democratic Party.

more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_ ...

[blondeatlast]

38. Sounds like a job for Snopes,

till I hear it from Barbara, I reserve judgment.

[Pastiche423]

43. Does anyone know where Ewing (Nico) is posting these days?

TIA

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

46. Does the video mention the Pentagon attack?

That was almost certainly hit by a missile not the commercial flight 77 we were told. Very strong evidence for that. Of course, the media has buried the story. They are in the 9-11 cover-up up to their butts.

[genius]

62. If anyone had any doubt, it was gone by the end of the film

The film mostly dealt with the hole. The roof later collapsed. Before it collapsed, there was a small hole. Things that should have been singed inside right next the the collapsed part wren't.

The film did not discuss the lawn.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

71. Yeah - i've seen pics of that small hole that the....

757 was supposed to have made. And where did the fuselage and wings go???. We're told they were vaporized!!! So why doesn't that happen everytime there's a plane crash?? The official story on the pentagon attack is extremely weak.

[HFishbine]

90. "Very strong evidence for that."

Like what?

[seemslikeadream]

49. As his investigation expanded into the bowels of the Pentagon

Fitzgerald continues to expand his case against the leakers of Plame's identity. But he may be getting more than he originally bargained for. As his investigation expanded into the bowels of the Pentagon, he was bound to discover that the treachery of the neo-cons was not merely confined to the leaking of the name of a covert CIA officer - disastrous in itself - but coupled with other activities that call into question the loyalties and financial dealings of those who swore an oath to the U.S. Constitution.

With Ashcroft's deputy, James Comey, the person who appointed Fitzgerald, finding himself increasingly frozen out of Ashcroft's inner sanctum deliberations, it is clear that the neo-cons are worried about what Fitzgerald is discovering and how far his investigation will go. Also unusual was the fact that as Fitzgerald's case began to gain steam - with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney both retaining criminal defense attorneys - FBI Director Robert Mueller suddenly transferred the lead FBI agent on the Plame case, John C. Eckenrode, a well-seasoned 29-year veteran of the bureau, to head up the FBI's Philadelphia office. An FBI spokesman in Philadelphia said that such sudden transfers, in the middle of major investigations, sometimes, just "happen."


Make no mistake about it: the violation of the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 by the disclosure of Plame's identity and that of her non-official cover corporate umbrella organization (Brewster, Jennings & Associates) along with its official counterpart, the CIA's Nonproliferation Center - had a disastrous impact on the ability of the United States to track the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction around the world. At least one anonymous star (representing a covert U.S. agent killed while working abroad) placed on the CIA's Wall of Honor during the past year was reportedly a direct result of the disastrous disclosures from Cheney's office. The political vendettas of the neo-cons in exposing Plame's dangerous work and retaliating against Wilson's revelations about Bush's use of bogus intelligence regarding a fanciful Iraqi uranium shopping spree in Niger ensured that America's military-intelligence complex was going to seek a final accounting with the neo-cons. And a final accounting they are getting, in spades.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change_summary.shtml

[DemWitch]

63. Currently covering my aluminum veggie strainer with

aluminum foil...

There are alot of questions to be asked, still about 9-11. Fake cargo jets dressed up like airliners isn't one of them. And can anyone honestly say that the very first thing someone would say after seeing a passenger jet slam into the tower is "that wasn't American Airlines"?

This is a diversion to take attention away from other errors made on 9-11.

[Nashyra]

66. The people responding to the second aircraft claiming

"it's not American Airlines" is a fact, the second plane was not American Airlines it was United Airlines. Personally as an airline employee I still have a problem with the Pentagon crash, as for the "vaporization" theory my question is how did the re entry of the space shuttle survive with so much in tact including bodies and there be nothing left of this airliner on impact. That has never made sense to me.

[shance]

68. Great point.

Thanks.

[HFishbine]

91. What did the space shuttle impact?

Just wondering, since you try to draw a parallel.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

73. You may be right about the diversion theory

Probably the weakest link in the official theory on 9-11 is the pentagon attack. It was almost certainly struck by a missile and that's what the anti-bushers should focus on. The claim that the twin towers were struck by something other than the two commercial jets is pretty weak.

[HFishbine]

92. So, let me see if I have this straight.

You stipulate that the WTC towers were struck by commercial airliners. Why then would a missle be launched at the Pentagon? And what crashed in Pennsylvania, was that a missle too or a plane?

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

110. I don't know why they used a missile on the pentagon

Ask Bush rove or cheney. The crash in PA probuly was a plane but it was shot down. Bush wanted to make sure there were no witnesses. Strange how the only plane that day that DIDN'T need to be shot down got shot down.

[Abe Linkman]

111. Very good point. And, here's why a missile was used at Pentagon.

Lots of reasons for using a missile. A few include:

* No airliner was going to be used & something was needed to open a hole in the reinforced target section of the building.

* Since no plane was going to be used, but the official story would be that FL 77 crashed there, it was necessary to make it look like an airliner crashed - and to do that, it would need to "disappear" inside the building. Without a missile opening a hole for the plane to enter, it would be obvious that the plane that did crash there was a fighter jet (F-16, probably).

[MercutioATC]

119. If that bears ANY merit, why not just fire the missile from a 757?

Hell, the WTC planes supposedly fired missiles...why not a "fake" AAL77? Then you'd get the damage AND all of those 757 parts...

[whipzz]

108. weak claim? Gotta be joking

The evidence that the Twin Towers were struck by something other than the commercial flights they were advertised to be is beyond question. It has been proved and there is an interesting site that documents (translations into English) the investigations of a highly reputable mainstream foreign newspaper to that effect.

http://www.amics21.com/911

It is important to read all the articles, including the Ombudsman's columns, carefully and to fully digest the contents.

The decision to publish this material was obviously taken following the normal journalistic rules. There is no room for doubt in this case as the "objects" are there. And they could not have been attached without major modifications to the aircraft beforehand, something that would have taken a few days, if not weeks. There is also evidence detailed on other pages that the airplane was not the Boeing 767 - 200 series that Flight 175 was supposed to be.

911 was a criminal act of unimaginable proportions.

Time to fire a few people perhaps?

That is, if the Republicans don't think murdering 3,000 of their own people is going a little too far. And we won't discuss the cool removal of 16,000 civilians in Iraq (releasing them of course from the miseries of Saddam - what heaven for a four year old to be blown to bits by Americans instead), let alone the 24,000 National Guard that the Americans boasted they liquidated at Bagdad airport shortly after their trumpeted arrival in this ancient cradle of civilization.

Time to ask the Americans if they really think stomping around the world firing from the hip is civilised behaviour in the 21st century? Time to ask, indeed, if this is an example of moral maturity and advance? Even if 911 were even true and it were right to exact vengeance for this atrocity.

Iraqui people spent a year waiting for the Americans to fix what they had broken. They waited patiently heeding the advice of Mr Sistani who would not be provoked into remonstrating the American heavy handed murderous approach. Nada, hombre. Nada de nada. Just wanted the oil and stole the ancient museum pieces into the bargain.

Now that the Iraqi people have lost patience and all hell is breaking loose, suddenly Mr Kerry decides that everyone else around the world has to bail the US out.

Don't think so. Not this time, baby. Not after the bad-mouthing cowboys stomping all over the shop have stirred the ME instead of paying for their gas like everyone else. Straight theft doesn't count. It ain't the Americans' oil. They don't have the right to steal other people's countries lock stock and barril. They don't have the right to rewrite the country's laws to favour themselves as illegal foreign invaders. It is high time to call these people by their real names. Criminal Mafia.

US citizens reading this board: it is time to take your country back before you become the losers like the Nazis in post-war Germany.

[MercutioATC]

118. Laura, have you seen this report?

http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0203feat.html

It's a report compiled by civil engineers who actually examined the Pentagon after the crash.

It explains how the damage is consistent with a 757 crash.

[RH]

121. Really?

Between 20 and 30 thousand people work at the Pentagon, a military establishment. Some of them would perhaps know something about missiles.

Does it not then strike you at all as being somewhat odd that not one of them is known to have been aware of your supposed missile attack or since concerned about it?

Hundreds of people observed the event. It happened on a fine day in broad daylight. Nobody saw any missile. From those who were there to see for themselves I never even heard of any talk of missile smoke.

The subsequent autopsy tested body parts for traces of explosives.

[demodewd]

107. pod

Why do you refute the pod explanation? Have you done any research on the topic? I suggest letsroll911.org

[Gloria]

74. I am intrigued, but still don't know what to believe...HOWEVER...

I still am very suspicious about why the steel from the WTC was so quickly sold off to China....I know all the explanation about heat, etc. but I still would think that sort of evidence would have been around longer....

[shance]

76. Again, great point.

So many questions and so few substantial answers.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

78. That's especially true regarding WTC7

That's the third skyscraper in the WTC complex that collapsed that day. It came down even though nothing hit it.!!! It had been long evacuated before the collapse so there was no need to rush in and cart everything off in a search for bodies. But that's what they did!!!

9-11 was the biggest crime in america's history and bush got rid of the evidence as soon as possible!

[carlvs]

123. Wrong!!!

NOTHING HIT IT?!?!? What a load of BS!

I am currently reading a rather interesting book on the 79 AD eruption of Mt. Vesuvius ("Ghosts of Vesuvius" by Charles Pellegrino in case anyone's interested.) The author devotes the last chapter in the book to the collapse of WCT 1 & 2 (and in fact he was one of the experts brought in to study the disaster; in his analysis, he discovered that the surge clouds unleashed from both collapses shared in miniature some of the characteristics to the volcanic ones that destroyed the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum.)

According to what I have read so far, here’s the various “non-impacts” that WCT 7 was on the receiving end of:

1. A ground shock wave from the impact of WCT 1 & 2, which he estimated to have been equivalent to what would have come from a surface detonation of a 1.6 KT nuclear device,

2. A debris-laden air blast traveling at speeds similar to what is found in a CAT 5 hurricane or F3 tornado (160+ mph,)

3. Not to mention being slammed by debris from WCT 1, causing further damage to the building and setting inside it many fires, which (for obvious reasons) could not be fought.

After being exposed to all that, NO WONDER the building eventually fell!

The only crime I seeing is that so many people here are so blinded by their hatred of this :puke: “administration” that they are willing to believe any sort of :tinfoilhat: BS without using any sort of critical thinking.

[carlvs]

124. Oops!

I just noticed that I abbreviated "World Trade Center" in my last post wrong - it should be "WTC," not "WCT."

[Flying Coyote]

125. That would be nice to believe

...but the building's OWNER stated, on film, that they brought the building down, "pulled it" to use the jargon.