9/11 Mihop and Lihop believers...help convince me that Bush Knew.

[UpsideDownFlag]

if you could please, without a long essay, explain to me why you personally believe that he made it/let it happen, and why you think he hasn't been called out on it yet (save, possibly, for F911). I have been on the fence regarding this issue for a while- i just cant bring myself to believe that a president would knowingly allow such an attack to happen.

thanks.

references to lihop/mihop sites are welcome, but i prefer those with less of a tinfoil hat ambience.

jj

[Cassandra]

1. Personally,

I think he was looking for a reason to invade Iraq and thought this might be it. Consider that no one thought the towers would fall down; I think Bushco thought the attack would be shocking but not so deadly. So he turned a blind eye and didn't bother to send the Air Force to protect us. The possibility that they actually helped plan the attack makes me too nervous to think about it.

[UpsideDownFlag]

2. yes, im leaning more towards L ihop than Mi...

[lagniappe]

3. I've never subscribed to conspiracy theories, and I've always considered

myself a skeptic. I don't believe in UFOs, Bigfoot, or the theories of the MIHOP folks (but I understand where they are coming from). However, I've become convinced that Bush knew we we're going to be attacked and allowed it to happen. I just don't think they appreciated the magnitude of the attack.

It was Richard Clark combined with Bush's manipulation of 9/11 that pushed me into the LIHOP camp. The neocons desperately wanted a reason to attack Iraq from the very beginning. I am convinced that they saw the 9/11 warnings and ignored them. Bin Laden would give them what they wanted.

Bush's use of fear as a political tool has been shameful. They scare the shit out of the public with very vague terror alerts at very convienent times. This administration will stop at nothing to advance their agenda. I remember just last month when many here were predicting that Pakistan would 'arrest' an Al Qaeda figure at the end of July. Like clockwork on the day of Kerry's acceptance speech, Pakistan made an announcement of an 'arrest'.

[Old and In the Way]

4. Pentagon gets hit 52 minutes after the 175 crashes into the WTC.

No way our $400BB/year military is that incompetent.

[aquart]

5. I can only give you my impression.

This is a man without empathy. He doesn't see us, or feel for us. Or anyone, I suspect. Didn't he call his wife a "lump in the bed"? He was raised by the heartless Barbara.

On the day, he did things humans wouldn't do. Unless something else was going on.

He has no clear story of where he was and what he was doing when he first heard. Me, I'm part of a New School study that's going to track traumatic memory. I was asleep. The phone woke me. My mom said, "Turn on Channel 2." I did so, and was focusing my eyes on the burning tower when the second plane hit the second tower. (I've checked the times because I later wasn't sure if I was seeing a replay, but that was the moment.) I said, somewhat witlessly, "That's not an accident." From there, things get a little blurry. But I remember and can tell you exactly how I first heard. George can't. Not truthfully.

I also know how I first heard Kennedy was shot. Both of them. And where I was and what I did when I heard Challenger had exploded.

This is normal. What George did was not. I immediately went for information. Not just the ordered turning on of the TV, I switched channels trying to get more. Then I got off the phone with my mother so I could find out whatever news there was online.

George didn't.

F9/11 remarks on George's "deer in the headlights" expression as he sits in the classroom after Andrew Card whispers in his ear. I, and I believe most Americans, thought that was when he was first told. But it wasn't. He knew before he entered the school. And still entered. WHY???

What I now believe, George's simple mind was making sure of his alibi. He wanted to be seen doing innocent things. ONLY someone not at all innocent would have such a thought.

BushCo (meaning oh, his close cohorts and fascist corporate buddies)knew an attack was planned. They knew how, they had a fair idea where, and even more or less when. They sure got out of DC that summer. They did NOTHING. They had goals which were being impeded. An attack on America would achieve their goals. NOBODY profited from 9/11 except BushCo and al qaida. All that was required was to do nothing. Let it happen. Then lie about the how. If they were not guilty of letting it happen, what was there to fear from an investigation? Why couldn't Bush and Cheney have testified separately? I believe Bush knew. Cheney knew. Rumsfeld knew. Maybe Condi knew. They knew and did nothing because it was GOOD for them if it happened.

Do I believe they Made It Happen On Purpose? No. Although the money that was sent from Pakistan to Atta has not been properly explained. But BushCo frankly doesn't plan all that well. It isn't one of their skills. Turned a blind eye to al qaida activity because it would help them? Yes. I could even believe a willing suspension of disbelief...that theatre thing that allows you to believe what you see onstage...so they could pretend it wasn't about to happen. But I don't think they got all busy MAKING it happen. So much easier the other way and LOOK! clean hands.

George was needed to give the command to shoot down a hijacked plane. At the moment he was supposedly told for the first time, the first tower had been hit and WE KNEW OTHER PLANES WERE MISSING, HIJACKED, OFF RADIO. WE KNEW. BUSH KNEW. Knowing that, he walked into that classroom and let everything happen. THAT MUCH, WE KNOW.

But Cheney once mentioned that there was an open line to....NORAD? the White House? the Pentagon? from the moment the first plane went off course. He never mentioned it again. In fact, he spent a lot of time out of sight in an undisclosed location after that gaffe. If George had been informed from a few moments after the open line went into effect...NORAD has been bizarre about its timeline...So has George been about his own...if George knew BEFORE THE FIRST TOWER WAS HIT and still no order was given to scramble jets or fire if necessary...you see how important it becomes when George first knew...yet he has told lie after easily detectible lie about that....

George let it happen and gave himself a hide in plain sight alibi for the event.

[Cronus Protagonist]

6. A seminal moment....

[The Blue Knight]

7. It wouldn't suprise me. I mean, FDR knew about Pearl Harbor, didn't he?

[yella_dawg]

9. Pearl Harbor

was MIHOP to get the very isolationist American people behind a war effort in Europe before Hitler got too strong. At least that dirty trick had some justification.

[T Town Jake]

29. Pearl Harbor was "MIHOP"?...

...links? References? Evidence of any kind? :shrug:

[chuck555]

16. No.

Its RW bs, always has been. The politics of hate is nothing new.

[Bridget Burke]

33. No, he didn't.

That's an old Republican lie.

[yella_dawg]

8. Easy

I personally downloaded images of the "impact" damage to the Pentagon from the Pentagon website. The initial impact, prior to fire damage which caused the building facing to collapse, made a hole approximately the size of the nose cone of a 757 ahead of the windshield. The hole exposed the first floor from ground level and part of the second floor. An interior wall on the second floor, visible through the hole, is still intact. Nearby windows on both the first and second floors are intact. Airplane wings traveling in excess of 300 mph vanished without even breaking the windows? My gods, what is the Pentagon made of??

Further, there was never any debris recovered from the impact. The fire, which burned in oxygen poor conditions (yielding a low temperature flame) somehow burned up the engines which would burn jet fuel in a pressurized chamber which creates super-hot conditions during normal service. This scenario is absolutely ridiculous. Not even the main spars survived the fire. These beams are massive aluminum, a material which is often used as a heat conductor. Yet these massive beams vaporized at a relatively low temperature, a temperature significantly less than the shop torches regularly used in fabricating aluminum.

Examples such as this abound. But this single photo absolutely proves MIHOP. No way did a 757 hit the Pentagon. At most, the Pentagon was struck with a "smart" missile. The fact that the impact was almost at ground level suggests laser guidance or a planted explosive.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. OK, so what happened to Flight 77?

Solicitor-General Theodore Olson's wife Barbara was on the plane that hit the Pentagon. She phoned him moments before impact. After the impact, Olson alerted the Justice Department of a hijacking in progress.

yella_dawg claims "No way did a 757 hit the Pentagon. At most, the Pentagon was struck with a 'smart' missile."

So where is the plane? Where is Barbara Olson?

Was the plane landed at the North Pole, and the passengers taken into the hollow earth, as some theories claim? Not likely.

What was to be gained from using a missile and a plane instead of just a plane? If the plane was not flown into the Pentagon, do you suppose the hijackers flew it into the ocean away from observers? No, you wouldn't. So then we might suppose that it was landed at some airbase, the passengers taken out, and the plane repainted. Or perhaps the plane was just then remotely flown into the ocean to deep six it.

What of the passengers? Were they machine gunned? Poison gassed? All of the people involved in that part of the operation would have to be a part of some huge massive conspiracy that would collapse of its own weight. Barbara Olson not killed? Then Theodore is doing an Oscar performance. (Poor man is heart-broken and has my sympathies in that regard). Passengers not killed, but kept incommunicado? Makes the conspiracy even more massive and even less likely.

[chuck555]

18. Bermuda triangle.

Extraterrestrials sucked them into a time warp. If we live long enough it will be on Coast to Coast whe we catch up in time.

[T Town Jake]

31. LOL!

n/t

[GliderGuider]

39. That was my turning point as well

The fact that the Pentagon photos show what they show, coupled witht the fact that Flight 77 and its passengers are missing, proves MIHOP. The fact that we, the public, can't identify the fate of the real Flight 77 in no way diminishes MIHOP, but rather supports it.

[durutti]

10. It's impossible to find a balanced view on the issue.

So I'm agnostic.

[genius]

11. Look at the way he nodded in the classroom. It was like an

acknowledgement that everything was according to schedule. The Pentagon was never hit by an airplane. He's got to have known. What about the meeting with Prince Bandar after 9/11?

[genius]

12. Check out "9/11: In Plane Site" and go to the Killtown site.

Also go to legitgov.org and follow the links.

[Hidebo]

13. u are absolutely right.

"i just cant bring myself to believe that a president would knowingly allow such an attack to happen."

only if the president was elected by the people:eyes:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Massive Conspiracies Collapse of their own Weight. Theories proliferate.

Massive conspiracies collapse of their own weight.

On the other hand, conspiracy theories are eternally flying on currents of hot air. Logic and commonsense are not required. Every tenuous supporting factoid is pumped up without serious scrutiny. Every exculpating bit of evidence is examined minutely and pounded into the ground.

Take a typical MIHOP (made it happen on purpose) theory seen on DU today. Supposedly one or both of the WTC airliners was ditched in the ocean with all people on board. Another plane, like a cargo jet, was piloted by remote control into the tower.

Now apply common sense. No need to destroy two planes when one will do. The theory on its face is ridiculous.

Apply some common sense to Bush*s famous seven minutes in Florida. If it was MIHOP or even LIHOP (let it happen on purpose), then the easiest thing would be to have Bush* informed, excuse himself, spend 5 minutes with his secure comm link, and then order the Pentagon and Pennsylvania planes shot down. Afterwards, a determined and stalwart leader would address the nation and with contained emotion discuss the heavy burden of office required to take decisive action.

Instead, we had a frightened and shaken man incapable of taking any action, not even to seek more information. Clearly Bush* did not know.

So we could suppose that the conspiracy did not include Bush*. Possible. But the conspiracy (LIHOP or MIHOP) would, according to the published theoretical mechanisms supplied by the theorists: have to subvert the North American Air Defense command; bribe or otherwise muzzle numerous FBI agents, managers, and executives; have operatives place charges in the structure of the Towers; have other operatives fire the charges; yet more operatives running around exerting pressure on wayward operatives; operatives watching those operatives, etc. Also included would be all those people who conceived of it for their own benefit. This enumeration is a minimal one, just off the top of my head. A careful enumeration would have to include hundreds and thousands of people involved with key pieces of info that would blow the whole thing wide open.

If the Bush* regime could not keep the lid on the Abu Ghraib (and other) prison scandals, there is no way they could keep a lid on such a massive complicated conspiracy as would be required if it were a conspiracy.

Heck, Nixon couldn't even keep the lid on a third rate burglary with five burglars. And Nixon was no dunce.

Two principles are very useful in analyzing theories. First, "No more things should be presumed to exist than are absolutely necessary." William Occam (c. 1280-1349).

Second, Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." (possibly from N. Bonaparte)

One thing is clear: there was more than enough stupidity in the sorry 9/11 event to go around to explain what happened.

The Bush* regime is even more opportunistic than malice-filled. However much they apply malice (and they do frequently and severely) their stupidity and opportunism are more prominent and dominant.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

19. No one said MIHOP would be easy

But there are just so many problems with the official version of what happened that day. To take just one example. Why did WTC7, the 600 foot high building across the street from the towers, also collapse on 9-11 even though NOTHING HIT IT? And why has the damn media completely buried the WTC7 story? I bet 99% of america outside of NYC doesn't even know there was a third skyscraper that came down that day!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. When did WTC7 collapse?

When did WTC7 collapse? Before the first, in between, or after the second tower?

How did it collapse? That is, what was the mode of collapse? Fall over? Implode? Explode?

Was it evacuated at the time?

How tall was it?

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

50. 5:20 pm, After Second Tower, Controlled Demolition, 47 floors

The Mysterious Leveling of Building 7

The precisely vertical collapse of WTC 7 around 5:20 on the afternoon of September 11th necessitated that all of the load-bearing columns be broken at the same moment. Inflicting such damage with the precision required to prevent the building from toppling and damaging adjacent buildings is what the science of controlled demolition is all about.

Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7.html

And for your viewing pleasure 3 videos: http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

Owner admits that it was a controlled demolition:
http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html
http://dynalinks.dyndns.org/link/14498 (audio link)

[Cassandra]

42. There were large pieces of masonry flying everywhere

One cut the nearby hotel nearly in half. Just because a plane didn't fly into WTC7, doesn't mean nothing damaged it from the outside. It wasn't just one extra building; every single building with a WTC address was destroyed (plus one church).

[chuck555]

20. Well said.

Its kinda like today. The Rw tells us Kerry faked his Purple Hearts because he knew he would be running against a deserter 35 years later.
But it must be Skull&Bones. Yup. It was all planned years ago. See what I mean?

If these ass clowns are so smart why didn't they plant their precious WMD's(sic) in Iraq?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Good point about the WMDs . . . nt

[stickdog]

25. What about the SECRET SERVICE, Bernardo de La Paz???

So Andy Card bends down and tell Bush, "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK."

Two hijacked planes have already crashed into the WTC towers.

And the SECRET SERVICE lets Bush proceed with a pre-scheduled photo op five miles from an international airport? For over 30 minutes?

How? Why?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. Incompetence, Deer in the Headlights Syndrome

Incompetence, deer in the headlights syndrome.

Bush, as you have noticed, is not a leader.

There was undoubtedly confusion and a feeling of wanting to appear to be calm and in control. Hence, proceed with photo-op, once the handlers have calmed Bush* down.

Turn it around. If a mammoth IHOP conspiracy (It Happened On Purpose) is behind it, and they have successfully planned and covered it, then the planning for Bush in Florida that day looks spectacularly incompetent. They could easily have arranged it for him to appear decisive, intelligent, and possessed of a commanding presence. That did not happen.

Since you are alleging the huge well-planned conspiracy, what is your explanation of why they had him go forward with the photo op, etc.? It needs to be explained within the context of the conspiracy. Not that in advance they couldn't think of anything for him to do, but explain some necessity for him to do that at the cost of having to field all the conspiracy theory flack about it later.

[stickdog]

44. All the planes were supposed to hit within 20 minutes of each other.

The flight patterns were programmed and locked in on their regular autopilot systems in advance.

Then Flight 77 and Flight 93 were delayed. They had to act like deer in headlights or people would have immediately asked, "Why couldn't you shoot down Flights 77 and 93 after taking command 30 minutes before 77 hit the Pentagon?"

Remember, it wasn't just Bush. Rumsfeld and Myers and NORAD and the FAA were also sitting on their hands between 9:05 EDT and 9:45 EDT that morning. Why?

[RH]

49. "Why couldn't you shoot down Flights 77 and 93 "?

Perhaps because it would kill inncocent people?

[T Town Jake]

32. You're absolutely right...

...but the "conspiracy" mindset is fascinating to observe, nevertheless. It feeds on itself, and takes lack of solid, verifiable evidence that the "conspiracy" exists to be reinforcing "proof" of it's ubiquitous vastness...pretty soon it becomes clear to those whom believe in the "conspiracy" that the WHOLE World is involved, either as ignorant and/or willing dupes, or as actual participants. Soon, all that seems to stand between the dark night of evil triumph flowing from the "conspiracy" and the triumph of "truth"-i.e., the acceptance at face value of every shaky "fact" proffered by the "theorists"-is a small, hardy band of beleaguered heroes manning the barricades...and stocking their "X-files" collections in the interim...
It's always, as the redoubtable Mr. Spock might say, "fascinating..."

[Bridget Burke]

34. Is there an echo in here?

Just wondering.

[T Town Jake]

35. I don't know...

...I don't hear anything...but then, I'm not the one spouting fantastic, unverifiable conspiracy fantasies about planes with "missle pods" and Pentagons that didn't "really" get hit by an hijacked airliner...guess I just don't have the finely-tuned ears for it...(snicker)...

[demodewd]

43. re: pod

The pod is verifiable. Plenty of photographic evidence.

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

17. Bush may not have known but Rove & Cheney did

Bush's strange behavior on 9-11 makes me suspect that he was kept in the dark. But the single best piece of evidence that our govt was involved was the pentagon attack. All sorts of problems with the official story there. The hole in the P was way way too small and we were told the fuselage and wings vaporized and that's why we have no pics of the plane inside the P!!!! It was almost certainly a missile of some sort.

[thecrow]

26. Not to mention the bionic grass

of the Pentagon lawn.... which they promptly covered in gravel...

[LunaC]

23. There's no plausible explanation for the following sequence of events

Except MIHOP...........

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf


In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary and PNAC-member, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/for_the_record_ashley.pdf


In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the White House members of the PNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked with U.S. aircraft as Rumsfeld sat passive and unresponsive. Immediately, the finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell. Pakistan's ISI also had a long-standing working relationship with the CIA.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8830
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1266317,00.html


In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting


Shorrtly afterwards, public focus was diverted to Iraq while the OSP maneuvered in the background. You already know the rest of the story.


For lurid details on the PNAC coup of the White House and the Rise of the Neocons see "The Whispering Campaign" link below.

[stickdog]

24. A short, condensed 9/11 primer with supporting notes & links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=13762

[UpsideDownFlag]

40. thanks

good stuff.

[TrustingDog]

27. It's all about PNAC... they made the Chimp happen.

[dflprincess]

45. All I needed to convince me was this line from PNAC

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

"…A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."


Link to PNAC homepage
http://www.newamericancentury.org

[Ameridansk]

30. Bush didn't know and he wasn't needed.

Understand this if you can. Do you honestly think the Pentagon, CIA, and FBI need Shrub for anything? When the "Intelligence Community" mustered the necessary forces to pull-off 9/11, Duhbya wasn't invited.

Georgie ain't very bright, and they knew he was gonna have to do a lot of talking about 9/11. The less he knew the better.

[Skittles]

36. yup

if he'd known anything he would have performed better when it happened. Bush is a stupid f*** who isn't included in the real neocon government

[Ameridansk]

41. Bush didn't know the plan, but he could easily guess who did it.

They him some some time alone (in the classroom during the obligatory photo-op) to think about it.

He knew no specifics of any plan, but he knew who in this world was caple of pulling it off.

He wasn't sure they COULD pull it off.

Thinking of all Dad's CIA buddies, he didn't want to insult the fellas that really "get things done."

So he says THIS:

"I have spoken to the Vice President, to the Governor of New York, to the Director of the FBI, and have ordered that the full resources of the federal government go to help the victims and their families, and to conduct a full-scale investigation to hunt down and to find those folks who committed this act."

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/sept11/key-911schoolstatement.html

A "Full-scale investigation". "Hunt down and find". Isn't that redundant?

But the most-telling is "folks". "Folks" that committed
an "act".

Screams of guilt by association, don't it?

[Q]

37. The Lazy American syndrome...

...wanting someone to 'prove' something to you instead of doing your own research.

- No one alive today will ever know the whole truth...just as with the Kennedy assassination. But a very relevant point to consider is that it wasn't just Bush* who was 'unavailable' on 911....his entire staff was 'elsewhere', out of the loop and out of the chain of command. This meant that no one was really in charge that day...as NORAD, the military and others waited for instructions that never came.

[timtom]

38. I doubt I can convince you

because belief systems are, at rock bottom, acts of faith. Did it happen? Didn't it happen? Lone gun? Orchestrated event? Each one of these requires an act of faith to believe, because there is an intrinsic ambiguity to any fact (based on the limitations of our perception mechanisms).

Having said that, however, my belief system says that when a person or group of people establish a rapid pattern of obscuring truth by sealing records, disposing very rapidly of WTC debris material without taking samples, limiting investigative panels, practicing misdirection, disinformation (and they said early on that they would be doing this) that they have only the worst possible complicity to hide. In my belief system, THEY have the burden of proof to demonstrate their innocence. It is up to them to show conclusively what happened to *'s DD-214. It is up to them to show us what happened to the huge sum of money made by someone on the put options on United Airlines and (American?) just before 9/11.

Fair? No? Well, this is exactly what they are demanding of us. Prove that you're not a terrorist, Jose Padilla. Prove you're not a terrorist, Grandma-just-getting-on-the-plane. There is a presumption of guilt all the way around.

So, I say that they MIHOP!

QED

[number6]

46. LIHOP'r ..but don't believe Bush knew .....

allowed to happen by MIC (Military Industrial Complex)
and Government insiders ....purpose

1. make U.S.A. a police state

2. open ended war for profit

3. excuse to call political opponents traitors

4. steal other countries recourses

5. premise for pre-emption

[leftofthedial]

47. PNAC "Pearl Harbor" event

needed to justify their planned attempts to fulfill their vision of Pax Americana

[RH]

48. Maybe he did know

but he forgot.

I wouldn't trust him to go out alone with a shopping list.

Would you?