Our Friends Are Trying To Tell Us Something

[Twist_U_Up]

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http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/

If I've got something stuck between my teeth, I rely on my best friends to tell me, so I can fix it.

Well, leaders from our close allies in England, France, Germany, Canada, Japan, Russia and elsewhere have been trying to tell us something, but we haven't heard them. Please read what these close allies are trying to tell us about 9/11:

The former Assistant German Defense Minister and a current member of British Parliament (Andreas von Bülow and Michael Meacher)

The former Canadian Minister of Defense (Paul Hellyer)

The commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy (Anatoli Kornukov)

The former chief of staff of the Russian armed forces (General Leonid Ivashov )

The former President of Italy (Francesco Cossiga)

Honorary President, Supreme Court of Italy (Ferdinando Imposimato)

The former Minister of Justice in West Germany, who was also Minister for Research and Technology. Cabinet Member (Horst Emkhe)

A former Member of British Parliament, who is the longest serving MP in the history of the Labour party, also former Minister of Technology, Secretary of State for Industry, Secretary of State for Energy and Postmaster General (Tony Benn)

Members of the German Parliament Heike Hänsel
and Axel Troost, PhD

Member, National Parliament of Japan (Yukihisa Fujita)

Former Member of Parliament, Norway (Berit Ås)

Member of European Parliament, Vice Chairman, Committee on International Trade, member of Committee on Security and Defense (Giulietto Chiesa)

Member of European Parliament, former Vice Chairman, Committee on Energy, Research and Technology, Vice Chairman, Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Consumer Protection (Paul Lannoye)

Minister of Housing and Urban Affairs, France, former Deputy of the French National Assembly - equivalent to a U.S. Congressperson (Christine Boutin)

Well-known scholar and frequent UN Contributor (Dr. Hans Koechler)

Of course, many Americans have tried to tell us the same thing. But the American media has censored their message.
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/

[wildbilln864]

1. thanks Twist. nt

:hi:

[Twist_U_Up]

2. I was hopeing one of our resident OCTers would call all these people Bat shit crazy.......

The name of the game is to trash every individual who has any reputation at all,but appearently they dont have a leg to stand on with this one.

[Perry Logan]

3. Doesn't this post imply that MOST (i.e., non-conspiratorial) world leaders are stupid or complicit?

Why, yes it does. So the Truthers are making a whopping big accusation against most of the government officials of the world. The mind reels.

[HamdenRice]

8. Black/White thinking is a symptom of cognitive deficits

A quite prominent politician suffers from this same deficit -- George W. Bush -- and you can see where that has gotten us.

Consider applying your paradigm to any other dispute:

If some congressional leaders believe the stimulus package should be $150 billion, and others believe it should be $175 billion, and I agree with the former, does that mean that I must also think the latter are "stupid"?

If some historians argue that LBJ was unaware of the false information that was the basis of the Gulf of Tonkin incident and others argue that he was well aware that it was a fake provocation, and I agree with the latter, does that mean I must also think the former are "stupid" and "complicit"?

Perry, your logic always, always, underwhelms.

[William Seger]

9. So is having no appreciation for irony

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=195835&mesg_id=195875

[HamdenRice]

10. So is having no capacity for reading comprehension or diction

My post says I will measure people by what they think on this issue.

measure

B verb
1 quantify, measure

express as a number or measure or quantity; "Can you quantify your results?"

2 measure, mensurate, measure out

determine the measurements of something or somebody, take measurements of; "Measure the length of the wall"

3 measure, evaluate, valuate, assess, appraise, value

place a value on; judge the worth of something; "I will have the family jewels appraised by a professional

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Now let our lesson begin. Can you see how a black/white thought process is different from the process of measuring?

Can you see how one might "measure" the degree of reflectivity of a gray scale, while black/white thinking would assign all intermediate shades of gray into either black or white?

Can you see how one might "measure" the approach to the Gulf of Tonkin incident of an historian with which you disagree without labelling him "stupid" or "complicit"?

To ensure that you have learned this concept, your assignment is to write an essay comparing "black/white thinking" with "measured thinking." Your essay should be typed into the DU 9/11 forum. It should be no more than 250 words.

Your assignment is due by 5:00 pm this afternoon.

If you fail to turn in your essay, it will be assumed that the assignment was too difficult for you, and the concept too advanced, and you will be demoted to a lower measured level among the OCTabots.

Good luck trying to master this simple concept!

[William Seger]

11. Ah, I see

... in that post you didn't really mean to say that you agree with that Smoking Mirrors blogger when he said, "Any presidential candidate who does not dispute the official story is a traitor to their nation and a tool of those who accomplished the attack" -- you think there's a continuum there, and you measure them on a scale ranging from tool to traitor? Well, that's very, uh, reasonable of you, but are you sure you're using "measure" the same way that blogger meant it in that "well said" phrase? That would be ironic if you misunderstood him, huh.

[HamdenRice]

12. Reading comprehension is your friend!

"Measure everyone by their position and their comments ... concerning this signal event"

Well said. I try to.

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Notice which portion of the OP I quoted and endorsed.

Now, if you persist in this silly line of debate, I will have to assign you a second essay concerning the use of selective quotations and attributions.

Also, please note that you only have 4 1/2 hours left to turn in your original assignment!

[William Seger]

19. So, that was the only sentence you "endorsed" in the article...

... and you only endorsed it because you interpreted it directly contradictory to what the author said in the rest of the article? Oh, OK.

[HamdenRice]

16. The homework assignment is officially late

It was due at 5 pm. Now you get an "F".

[William Seger]

18. The dog ate my homework...

... when I told him who the professor was.

[HamdenRice]

20. LOL!

That was actually funny. I had no idea you have a sense of humor.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

4. It's just quote-mining

and the conflating of Truthers with those who have voiced criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report in some capacity, and those who have criticised the "War on Terror." Surely you can see this?

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[Echo In Light]

6. These online debates go nowhere. Cite any source and deniers of the obvious will cry foul n/t

[jberryhill]

17. I guess it depends on what you define as a "source"

Take Christine Boutin, for example.

She's a right wing anti-gay and anti-choice politician who, before she was appointed co-minister of housing by the right-wing Sarkozy government was interviewed by some guys who asked her what she thought of 9/11 Inside Job theories. Her answer amounted to "it's possible", which was followed by a statement from her office shortly thereafter that the fact that she said "it's possible" didn't mean she actually believed any of them.

So, Christine Boutin is a "source" for the remarkable statement that Christine Boutin thinks "it's possible".

In the context of a posting entitled "Our Friends are trying to tell us something" then do you at all care (a) what these "friends" actually did say, or (b) why your "friends" include religious wingnut politicians?

If you think she said something other than that, then please "cite" your "source" here.

[SidDithers]

7. Not sure about the rest of the list...

but Paul Hellyer is batshit crazy.

Sid

[Twist_U_Up]

14. exen if one source is right,something is VERY wrong.

Im sure there are enough scholars on the list that might be able to add 2+2

[Echo In Light]

21. Agreed. I was simply stating the obvious: little, if nothing, is accomplished...

in these pro/con debates. The list of credible individuals asking questions re 9/11 will continue to grow, and as it does, so will the online chorus of people who deems them "crazy" for doing so. Many of those who've taken it upon themselves to crusade against those who question 9/11 seem to be motivated by their hatred of said individuals - their language/rhetoric is dripping with it. Nothing anyone posts at an online forum is going to change the mind of someone who is fueled by that agenda, period ... tis only more fuel for the fire.

[jberryhill]

15. I'm holding out for the Norwegian Minister of Agriculture

When you get a statement from the Honorable Terje Riis-Johansen, then I'll be sold.

http://www.regjeringen.no/en/dep/lmd.html?id=627