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[ElbertHubbard]

has anyone ever talked about the PNAC document? Often refered to as the Project for the New American Century? I think this is a huge,huge story that was never touched.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century


"New Pearl Harbor"Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).<13>

What's the story? This document was written in 2000 a full year before the 9/11 attacks,which happened to be a Pearl Harbor like event.

[SDuderstadt]

1. You've got to be kidding n/t

[LARED]

2. Why do you think this is a huge, huge story? nt

[hack89]

3. You are 10 years too late. nt

[zappaman]

4. hahahahaha

what next?
you're just "asking questions"?

[greyl]

5. The story is that The 9/11 Truth Industry hawkers love cherry picked quotes.

Please take some time to read a more balanced presentation of PNAC as it relates to 9/11, such as this one: www.911myths.com/html/new_pearl_harbour.html

[whatchamacallit]

7. Ah, ye old 911myths "Our take" proof

Well that settles it. :eyes:

[greyl]

8. A subplot to the story is that the 9/11 Truth Industry has faithful consumers

who attack anyone or anything that speaks the truth about the 9/11 Truth Industry. These attacks are typically devoid of factual content, logical coherence, or persuasive argumentation.

[whatchamacallit]

10. The "9/11 Truth Industry" is a conspiracy theory.

Welcome to the loony bin.

[greyl]

11. Please provide evidence for your claim. nt

[whatchamacallit]

12. Ha! Please provide evidence that 9/11 truth is an "industry"

It's *your* claim that requires proof.

[SDuderstadt]

13. The non-stop books from...

David Ray Griffin?

Duh.

[whatchamacallit]

14. So what? He's one guy

lots of people sell books on both sides of the issue. Shit, the president sells books. You can't invalidate the efforts of all the people interested in the truth just because someone sells a book.

[SDuderstadt]

15. It's not...

"a book", dude.

[whatchamacallit]

17. I'm not here to make excuses for anyone

but is it not reasonable to assume selling books satisfies the duel objective of helping to finance a large organization *and* disseminating the information for which the organization exists? I've never read, let alone bought, any of their publications. I'm pretty sure the "9/11 Truth Industry" meme is just another broad brush smear.

[SDuderstadt]

18. How is it a "smear"?

Do you honestly think there are no hucksters involved?

[whatchamacallit]

19. Like I said

there are opportunists and hucksters everywhere you look. Especially in the terror-related security industries (real industries) that have proliferated like maggots since 9/11. Where it's a smear is when it's used to paint all the people truly interested in the truth as duped customers of some evil corporation. Simply not the case.

[SDuderstadt]

20. Dude...

If you were truly interested in the "truth", you wouldn't reflexively reject the conscientious work of people like Mete Sozen and dozens of reputable engineers.

[whatchamacallit]

21. I reject nothing

it's all on the table. So far, I don't find most of the government's theories and evidence very compelling. Sorry.

[SDuderstadt]

22. Dude...

how in the world would you know if they are compelling or not?

Serious question: which studies do you claim to have read?

[whatchamacallit]

23. Most of

NCSTAR 1 - 1A, FEMA 403, 911 Commission Report, other assorted crap...

[SDuderstadt]

24. Yet you can't be specific about it, because...

you merely parrot what someone has told you.

I'd love to hear your detailed critique, dude.

[whatchamacallit]

25. You remind of my friend

who is certain that if I'd just take the time to read the bible (again), I would believe. I think I'll soon take you up on providing my own critique. But don't be surprised if it contains some things you've heard before.

[SDuderstadt]

26. Dude...

the bible is a work of fiction.

In the meantime, if you had a detailed critique of anything that would stand up to scrutiny, you'd be talking about it.

[greyl]

28. It's clear you think "industry" equals "a large organization". That is false.

Your definition isn't the one I used, nor is it among any of the several most commonly used.

The 9/11 Truth Industry is the totality of all commercial enterprise involved in making money from selling products related to so-called 9/11 Truth propaganda, e.g., 9/11 Was An Inside Job films, bumper stickers, books, DVDs, t-shirts, hoodies, and Internet ad clicks.

Now that's cleared up, please provide evidence for your claim that "The 9/11 Truth Industry is a conspiracy theory".
Let's use this definition of conspiracy theory:

any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

[OnTheOtherHand]

27. why, no, no it isn't

Why would "industry" imply "conspiracy"?

[apocalypsehow]

6. ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4_BUp_vuUs

[jberryhill]

9. Yes...

...it was also known in 2008 that an economic crisis would favor election of a Democratic candidate. One happened. Does that mean Democrats caused the economic crisis? No.

[ElbertHubbard]

16. Ok our government had nothing to do with it.

Let's just right a paper about it,if it happens to be read and fall into the hands of someone wanting to do us harm? Na, thats a stretch too.