The mysterious passport of Satam al Suqami

[John Doe II]

I always wanted to know if anybody could explain me how this famous passport managed to be found a few blocks away from the WTC? Btw it was even found BEFORE the WTC crashed.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm


Well, apparently this doesn't imply any question to the Commission but for me there is something I don't understand:

Either the passport managed to fly out of AA 11 to the place where it was found or the passport wasn't in the airplane before it hit the WTC.

In the first case I would be very interested to hear a physical explanation for that (I propose eg windows in AA 11 that could be opened etc)
In the second case I have to wonder why the Commission doesn't wonder who else put the passport a few blocks away from the WTC.

The first explanation is completely impossible the second raises many tough questions: Who put it there? Why if 911 was really done by our 19 hijackers? Why doesn't any investigation raise theses questions?

[DulceDecorum]

1. Four of the hijackers passports survived in whole or in part.

MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm

David Blaine might be able to help out with that one.
Heck, he might even be able to PRODUCE Satam al Suqami out of thin air.

[John Doe II]

4. Abdul Aziz al Omari

This would be worth another thread.
Why the hell did he put his passport into Atta's bag.
He's supposed to have flown from Portland to Boston.
Just imagine the situation that he was asked for his passport in Boston. And well he wouldn't have had it. ANd remember there was a security check in Boston too ...

Not really smart.

[spooked911]

2. Where does it say the passport was found before flight 11 hit the WTC?

I couldn't find it in your link.

[John Doe II]

6. Misunderstanding

The report says that the passport was found BEFORE the WTC crashed.
Therefore either the passport mysteriously survived the crash or it was planted.

[spooked911]

8. I see, sorry.

All I can figure is the passport flew out of the north tower on the gust of that huge fireball that erupted after the plane struck (yes there was also a huge fireball after the first plane struck-- see the Naudet video).

Of course, it seems unlikely, but it was just one hell of an unlikely day, wasn't it?

[Bolo Boffin]

3. The first explanation is not completely impossible.

AA 11 exploded. Why is it so difficult to accept that the passport could have blown free of the explosion?

[John Doe II]

5. Not completely impossible

Really?
I better go with the Guardian:
“We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged
would have tested the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.html

As you can see here there is also another mystery about this passport. Many newspapers wrote it belonged to Atta.

Others wrote:
"Sources said a Saudi national, Satan Suqami, was identified as a third Flight 11 terrorist by a passport found in the rubble of the destroyed Trade Towers."
(Boston Herald, 9/13/01)

Good for him. So without this passport he wouldn' have been identified ....! (And I really thought his name figured on the flight manifest...)

But here some general questions:
If it's not completely impossible then at least I think we could ask for a small official explanation, statement or whatever.

Jarrah's passport survived and the photo was shown to the public. Why is Suqami's passport never officially shown?
Where does the one and only photo of Suqami come from that the FBI made public? This clearly doesn't belong to the passport?
In which condition was the passport when it was found?
If the passport was in perfect condition how could we assume that it survived the crash and wasn't planted. This would be a pure hypothesis.
How come that "A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed."?
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing7/9-11Commission_Hearing_2004-01-26.htm

Wow, that is really lucky! Everybody is starring at the burning WTC and a "passerby" finds a passport and immediately considers his find so important to contact a detecive and all this BEFORE the WTC crashed....!

Do you know of anything else from inside the airplane that survived the crash? And was found outside the WTC?

[RedSock]

7. passerby?

didn't jerome hauer find the passport? i'm too lazy to check them out now, but i think he als has connections to john o'neill ...

there was also a story in the times at some point about the bags of mail that were on one of the wtc planes (and obviously never delivered). singed envelopes, etc.

some stuff apparently did survive the crash and collapse. i sure would like to see that passort, though.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. Jerome Hauer found them? He supposedly was the one who recommended

O'Neill for the job.

I have also read that Hauer was involved with the Anthrax attacks.

Please scroll down at the link below.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00068.htm

[Bolo Boffin]

9. Where's the proof the passport was "unsinged"?

The 9/11 commission says that the passports were doctored. No one here has ever denied that the hijackers may have been using aliases.

If we have never (as you assert) seen the actual passport photo of Satam, then you can't say that the passport was in perfect condition.

Someone may have turned in a foreign passport that they found on the ground, anyway. The hijackers did crash into the World Trade Center, you know. It could have been anybody's, and a passport floating around could have been used illegally. And who knows? Maybe by some chance, the owner of the passport might come looking for it.

Cops were all over that day. It's not as incredible as you force it to sound.

[John Doe II]

12. This was a Guardian quote

But as apparently you have no problem to believe in the mysterious survival of Suqami's passport here are a few questions to you:

1. Why was the passport never shown to the public?
2. Can you come up with justs one single object that was found outside the WTC that belonged to a passenger?
3. How come the passport wasn't in a bag or anything that would have hindered his mysterious survival? (Or do you believe Suqami had his passport in his hands in the last seconds of the flight like other hijackers were clinging to the Coran?)
4. Why are there conflicting reports if it was Atta's or Suqami's passport?
5. Why are there conflicting reports where the passport was found? (a felw blocks away or in the rubble)
6. Why are there conflicting reports when the passport was found? (before or after the WTC crashed)
7. Where does the FBI photo of Suqami come from?


Your write:
Someone may have turned in a foreign passport that they found on the ground, anyway. The hijackers did crash into the World Trade Center, you know. It could have been anybody's, and a passport floating around could have been used illegally. And who knows? Maybe by some chance, the owner of the passport might come looking for it.

Are you serious?? The Commission officially declares it was Suqami's passport (even if it was doctored). So assuming it wasn't his passport
is declaring that the Commission is lying about it.

[Bolo Boffin]

14. What proof does the Guardian offer...

...that the passport was unsinged? If no one has seen it, how would they know one way or another?

The paragraph you quote of mine is about somebody finding a passport and turning it in. They wouldn't necessarily have to recognize the signifigance of that passport - a passport lying loose in the rubble is reason enough to pick it up and turn it in. For reasonable people, that is.

Your questions:

1. I don't know.
2. Sure. A pair of hands bound together was found on top of a neighboring building. For the record, I do believe they were singed. If that's not good enough for you, there's a whole list of passenger items in that article.
3. Who says it wasn't? Why would a suitcase hinder the passport's survival, anyway? The explosion could have blown the suitcase away from the building while tearing it apart and releasing the passport. Explosions do weird things.
4. Let's play a game. I'll whisper something in your ear, then you whisper something in someone else's ear, and we'll go around the room that way, and see what the statement winds up being.
5. Let's play a game. I'll whisper something in your ear, then you whisper something in someone else's ear, and we'll go around the room that way, and see what the statement winds up being.
6. Let's play a game. I'll whisper something in your ear, then you whisper something in someone else's ear, and we'll go around the room that way, and see what the statement winds up being.
7. I don't know. I've got a guess: when I apply for a passport I have to surrender two pictures, but only one comes back on my passport. Where does the other one go?

[John Doe II]

15. Outside the ruins

2. The pair of hands bound together and other things were found inside the ruins. It's not surprising human remains and belongings of the passengers were found inside the rubble but Suqami's passport was found OUTSIDE the WTC. Your source states:

One worker who had tunneled into the debris said he had found the remains of people strapped into what seemed to be airplane seats. Another, in one of the most searing discoveries among the ruins , found the body of a flight attendant, her hands bound.
While no survivors were found by late in the evening, the rescuers continued to operate on the assumption that, given the right circumstances, people could still be alive somewhere in the rubble.
Working in the tangle of concrete and steel from the shattered buildings , they found wallets, luggage, blackened computer keyboards and shards of furniture. Sometimes they found a body, but simply marked it and burrowed further into the wet wreckage.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/15/nyregion/15SITE.html?oref=login

3. Do you have any source that states that the passport was inside a suitcase?

4.-6. The articles of the very first days already show all this contradictions.

7. I'd assume the government of Saudi-Arabia. Do you have any source that Saudi-Arabia assisted in offering this photo?

[Bolo Boffin]

17. Whoops, wrong link.

The pair of hands were found on top of a nearby building.

Police sources said the severed hands were found on the roof of a building near the collapse site.

Interestingly enough, that article also describes the pair of bound hands as being a part of the rubble, though they were clearly on top of a building. So the passport itself, by the same standard, could both be down the street, and found within the rubble.

Because if you were paying attention, stuff went everywhere that day.

3. No I don't. However, the question to me was "Why wasn't the passport in a suitcase?" In other words, you brought the idea of a suitcase into the discussion. Now I'm supposed to prove it was in a suitcase, when you already conceded that it would be a reasonable assumption by the way you asked the question. Thanks for playing.

4-6. Is it completely inconcievable to you that lots of people were talking about lots of subjects very quickly and emotionally in the very first days following the attacks?

7. Not to my knowledge. On the other hand, why wouldn't they?

[RedSock]

18. how we feel about the media

4. Why are there conflicting reports if it was Atta's or Suqami's passport?
5. Why are there conflicting reports where the passport was found? (a felw blocks away or in the rubble)
6. Why are there conflicting reports when the passport was found? (before or after the WTC crashed)

*****************

Considering how much we criticize the media for being lazy, unwilling to ask any real questions, unwilling to put whatever they are currently writing into a larger context, it should be obvious why these different things were reported. ... The media does a piss poor job a lot of the time.

Perhaps Atta was linked to the passport because he was the most talked-about hijacker. And once someone with a high enough profile says it was Atta's passport, then almost every other writer who comes along will parrot that -- and not do the work of going back to the original story. Because most of the media is lazy, unwilling ....

[paulthompson]

19. I have to agree

While there are many reasons to be suspicious about the discovery of this passport, the confusion between it belonging to Atta vs. Suqami is not one of them. That's just a mistake that got started and has never been able to completely die out. Happens all the time on all kinds of topics. I think it has to do with the fact that everyone remembers Atta but no one remembers Al Suqami (he's one of those guys of whom we know little more than his name, which is a whole separate issue - it somewhat akin to what if a couple of years after the JFK assassination, we only knew Oswald's name, date of birth, and a couple more facts).

It wasn't Hauer who discovered the passport, but it was someone fishy, and some goverment official. It would be good if someone could look that up. I remember reading something on the web where someone looked into that guy and found some questionable things about his background.

[John Doe II]

21. Barry Mawn

"In what could be an extraordinary breakthrough, the passport of a suspected hijacker was discovered near the ruins of the World Trade Centre, as exhausted rescue workers searched for signs of life through through the wreckage.

The FBI assistant director, Barry Mawn, did not disclose the name on the passport or other details, but the discovery prompted an intensive search for evidence blocks from the towers that were brought down by two hijacked jets."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,552842,00.html


Interetingly here again the passport is found apparently several days later and not BEFORE the WTC crashed.


Barry Mawn was also the first FBI agent, who knew about John O'Neills stolen brief case:

http://www.newyorker.com/FACT/?020114fa_FACT1

"...His briefcase, which contained classified material, was missing. O'Neill immediately called the local police, and they found the briefcase a couple of hours later, in another hotel. A Montblanc pen had been stolen, along with a silver cigar cutter and a lighter. The papers were intact; fingerprint analysis soon established that they had not been touched....

...He phoned me and said, 'I gotta tell you something,' " Barry Mawn recalled. O'Neill told Mawn that the briefcase contained some classified E-mails and one highly sensitive document, the Annual Field Office Report, which is an overview of every counter-terrorist and counter-espionage case in New York..."


Special Thanks to Ewing2001 for this!!

[paulthompson]

22. yeah, but...

Where's the evidence that Mawn personally found the passport? I thought official like him personally found it. If that isn't clear and he was just talking about a found passport, that doesn't mean anything.

By thew way, doing a quick Google search I saw a mention that it was found in front of WTC 7 (no source for that, though). If true, in which direction would it have flown, and how far would it have gone?

[k-robjoe]

23. wtc 7

It would mean that it came out through the hole that the plane created coming in. It would had to go over WTC6 to get to WTC7.

Or it could go out through the opposite wall of WTC1 and around the corner and countered the wind direction to get to WTC7.

[John Doe II]

26. Contradictions

Reports talk of a "passerby" who found it (CNN) or "recovery team". Barry Mawn says "we" found the passport.
Also contradicting the accounts:
While ABC reported already on 912 that the passport belonged to Suqami Barry Mawn gave several days later a press conference told the public of the surprising finding but he would not tell the name.
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010915/15_passport-ap.html
The passport was found in the vicinity of Vesey Street.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/17/inv.investigation.terrorism/

[paulthompson]

28. Where's Vesey Street?

Does that jibe with it being found in front of the WTC 7?

[John Doe II]

29. Yes

I don't find any proper map right now but hope this is sufficient:

Added in 1987, the forty-seven story 7 WTC, designed by Emery Roth & Sons, rose on the north side of Vesey street.
http://www.renotahoe.net/WTCComplex/WTC%20THE%20BUILDINGS.HTM


http://911review.com/911review/markup/Building7Collapse.shtml


Yo can see on the right the beginning of the printing of Vesey Street.

[John Doe II]

30. Better map

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapse.html

[John Doe II]

20. Before and after the crash

It's true that debris went everywhere AFTER the crash of the WTC. But the passport was found BEFORE the WTC crashed.
Therefore the only logical explanation is that while the plane entered the building the passport somehow managed NOT to enter the WTC and (if my geography of New York is correct) to bounce back on Versey Street. Therefore I aks once again has there been any finding of things that had been inside AA 11 that was found in the streets of New York BEFORE the building crashed or that was found NOT in the rubble.

3. I brought the suitcase into the discussion because of logical necessity. How otherwise do you explain the presence of the passport? A passport rarely just lies around buut is in a handbag etc. Yet no bag of Suqami was found. Therefore this is not a major argument but seems to make it even less likely that the passport could have been found when it was really inside AA 11 before the plane hit the building.

4.- 6. Ok. Though I find it somehow very convenient that Suqami first entered the news through the finding of this passport at the very moment when the FBI was "lacking" hijackers because they had to realize that Bukhari & Co weren(t aboard. But ok we can leave this point.

7. eg Atta's well known photo is taken from his pass port.

[Bolo Boffin]

24. Okay

I don't understand why you consider the distinction important. I don't know of any reports of anything else from Flight 11 found before the tower collapsed. I've actually only just heard about the circumstances of the passport being found, and this was given only because of the significance of the find. I doubt the finding of a bag or other items from Flight 77 would be reported unless it was as striking as the passport...or a pair of bound hands. The mundane often gets lost amid the extraordinary.

3. Since the suitcase is a logical necessity, why require me to provide a source for it?

We have no report of a bag of Suqami being found. It doesn't mean that a bag wasn't or was found. I believe my hypothesis of how the passport got out hasn't been ruled out (blown out and released from the suitcase by the impact explosion). It's at least as plausible as a missile pod theory.

7. Re: this, I checked over the 9/11 Commission report and found that many of the hijackers had gotten new passports in the months before 9/11, claiming that their old ones were lost. Since this was almost certainly done to get passports without Pakistani visas attached, the "lost" passports may not have been lost after all. If they were still valid, they may have been discovered in the first few days, and the pictures taken from them. Or the Saudis may have coughed the pictures up. It was the least they could do if Bush was going to make sure the Saudi origin of most of the hijackers stayed under the radar.

[John Doe II]

25. Why the destinction is important

That belongings of the passengers were found in the rubble after the crash is not very surprising. The plane entered the building. The WTC crashed. So what was inside the plane is inside the rubble now. As everybody would expect. And as the debris flew very far away it is also not surprising that passenger belongings were found everywhere where the debris fall. But Suqami's passport is different. It was found BEFORE the crash. It was NOT part of the rubble. That means that the plane entered the building and out of the other side of the WTC came the passport alone. Physically this is at least hardly possible. Therefore my question: Was anything else found BEFORE the crash as well. Or is it that this passport is the only thing that managed this miracle....???

[Bolo Boffin]

27. Out of the other side?

Flight 11 hit the north face of the north tower.

Vesey Street is north of the north tower.

The passport didn't go through the WTC alone - it blew back out of the building during the initial explosion. From the Naudet video, it's clear that lots of stuff came back out during the initial hit. That's what I'm saying.

[John Doe II]

31. Thanks for claryfication

I must admit I have not bookmarked the Naudet video. Could you provide me with a link please so I can have a look again? Thanks.

[John Doe II]

32. No not possible!

I've looked on everything I could find about the AA 11 hitting the tower. Nowhere I could see that part of the plane fall apart at that moment. (and certainly not a part of the cockpit anyway).
So please can anybody explain me:
How can Suqami's passport be found outside the WTC before the tower collapsed? Does anybody propose that Suqami opened a window?

[k-robjoe]

33. A comparison

If I compare this scene to the Pentagon crash scene :

At the Pentagon it seems clear that the plane must have exploded before it was well into the building. The surveillance camera pics show a huge fireball outside the building. ( While at the WTC a big dustball ).

So if the explosion at the WTC could blow some luggage backwards out of the hole, then you would think that at the Pentagon - where the plane exploded before it was inside the building - there would be luggage all over the place.

[Bolo Boffin]

35. So let me get this straight...

The same people who planned to have passenger information planted outside the WTC forgot to plant passenger information outside the Pentagon - even though they thought to plant a couple of pieces of aircraft debris?

You keep thinking that...

[Bolo Boffin]

34. Then we disagree

I don't see my hypothesis needing a part of the plane fall apart before entering the tower.

I don't have a link to the Naudet video, but clearly the expulsion of material from the impact happens after the plane enters. The plane goes in, stuff comes out. What I'm saying is that the explosion happens inside the building, and expels, among other things, the passport.

[John Doe II]

36. Explosion yes, Expulsion?

I don't see any.
"Among other things" great can you please provide me a link to "other things". I found no account of parts of plane falling apart nor of any stuff from inside the plane that fall on the street.
If you don't have any then your explanation is completely hypothetical.
As hypothetical btw as the existence of Suqami's passport. Contrary to Jarrah's famous fire-resistant passport (where at least the photo later was shown) this passport remains completely in the dark:

According to news reports, one personal effect recovered from the wreckage in New York was the passport of Satam M. A. Al Suqami, a Saudi Arabian national believed to have been on American Airlines Flight 11, which slammed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
One law enforcement official who asked not to be identified said the items are being kept for "evidentiary purposes in the event that they can be used in any future prosecution."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040912-125608-7761r

Yeah, right. Sure. What difference does it make to show a passport for "any future prosecution". We're supposed to know the photo and we're supposed to know the name.

[John Doe II]

41. Just for me to get it clear

Bolo,
do you believe that AA11 hit the tower, the plane goes in, there is in expulsion and the only thing that comes out it Suqami's passport which survived the crash at least in a identifiable condition?
Nothing elese comes out. Just the passport?
And seeing the video I even can't see anything coming out at all.

[Bolo Boffin]

44. okay

Why would you think I'm saying that only the passport comes back out? Of course I'm saying other stuff came out. Why, on a day of extraordinary events, would anybody say anything about mundane items being on the street afterwards?

The Naudet video is very distorted. You couldn't conclusively say from it that anything came out or that it didn't - except for an obvious explosion from inside the WTC after the plane enters. Explosion means things coming out.

[seatnineb]

13. I wanna see you ask the FBI.......

........about this:


The FBI nows says that the discovery of the passport is a rumour that maybe a fact

From the T.V Documentary :
The Meyssan Conspiracy.
Channel 4
2002.

[JackRiddler]

43. yes, doctored

The footnote says 14 of 19 were judged to have been doctored in a fashion "subsequently (!) associated with al-Qaeda."

Which is tantamount to saying...

They were falsifying documents and we don't know for sure who these guys were.

It's not that it's completely impossible that a passport could be blown away and found on 9/11. It's that it strains credulity with its convenience. Add in all the other anomalies: why the fuck is Atta putting Alomari's passport in his bag - which happens not to make the connecting flight! - and reveals the "suicide message," a pilot's uniform and a Koran?! How does the FBI find incriminating stuff in a Florida motel room two weeks later? On and on. Add to this the many conflicting Osama videos, which are called fakes or real, worthy or unworthy of broadcast according to the government's whim.

The problem is not that any one item (on this very partial list) is impossible. It's rather that the pattern of convenient and definitive discoveries fits in far more simply within the long history of police agencies manufacturing the evidence they need to make the case.

Do with that what you will - who's manufacturing evidence, how much of it is manufactured, why?

You can only conclude coincidence by giving the government the benefit of the doubt on all of these items and their every statement about the evidence.

[k-robjoe]

10. Passerby?

A passerby found the passport?

This reminds me of five other "passerby"s that have been much discussed :

"Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001."

Really striking is a comment that was made back in Israel :

"Back in Israel, several of the men discussed what happened on an Israeli talk show. One of them made this remarkable comment: “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.” But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?"

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

( “The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it.” )

[DulceDecorum]

11. Dreams without sleep

So, I was in the states during the summer of 2001 working between LA, DC and NY developing a feature film about the Gulf war. On September 10, 2001 I was in DC meeting with the head of media at the pentagon because they wanted to help me on this film. I needed to go to NYC that night for some other meetings, so I went to Dulles airport and, due to weather, was delayed at the airport from 4:00pm till 9:30pm when I got the last flight going to NY.
I arrived so late in NY that I went right to my hotel. I arose at 8:00am and left the hotel and went down to Canal St. I obviously realized that something big happened. I had my video camera with me and began filming, with no reason as to why, just that I needed to do it.
http://www.dreamswithoutsleep.com/story.htm

8:46:26 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 impacts the north side of the North Tower (1 World Trade Center) of the WTC between the 94th and 98th floors. American Airlines Flight 11 was flying at a speed of 490 miles per hour (MPH).
PT Timeline

At 8:46:40, American 11 crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City.39 All on board, along with an unknown number of people in the tower, were killed instantly.
911 Omission Report

I arose at 8:00am and left the hotel and went down to Canal St. I obviously realized that something big happened. I had my video camera with me and began filming, with no reason as to why, just that I needed to do it.
Walid Al-Awadi
http://www.dreamswithoutsleep.com/bio.htm

[OneMind]

16. a whopper!

"A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed."

This was such an obvious fish story that the "official" storytellers quickly and quietly dropped it.

[spooked911]

37. I have an explanation!

When Flight 11 slammed straight into Tower 1, the cockpit smashed against one of the steel columns of the "hollow core" of the tower, then the passport popped out of the pocket of Suqami and through the smashed cockpit windshield, then the passport got thrust on the forward gust of the ensuing fuel explosion into an elevator shaft in the core where it floated down some stories, then landed on top of an elevator, slipped through a crack on the roof of the elevator, fell on somebody's coat. This person unknowingly carried the passport out to the street where a gust of wind knocked it to the ground where it was picked up by a smart, eagle-eyed passersby who had suspected Arab terrorists were behind the attack and therefore handed it to a conveniently close FBI agent.

See, it's very simple. There's no conspiracy here, no sirree.

[John Doe II]

38. Thanks for the explanation

I finally understand!
And I almost fell into the traps of stupid CT nuts who wanted to indoctrinate me that the passport was planted evidence....
:toast:

[spooked911]

39. I'm glad I saved you from the dark side!

:7 :toast:

[spooked911]

40. There is something else very weird about Satam al Suqami

He is the guy who supposedly shot Daniel Lewin on flight 11, according to this FAA memo:



WTF? Was some sort of alternative 9/11 scenario being built around Suqami?