Peter Power interviewed last night on CBC (Re: London bombing)

[DoYouEverWonder]

So far all there is is this blurb about a story that ran last night on a program called "CBC NEWS: SUNDAY NIGHT". I wonder if any of Canadian friends got to see this show and can give us more info? Apparently, Power is claiming that his company was indeed conducting an security 'exercise' simulating multiple explosions in the London Underground at the same time has the actual attack.


SUNDAY, JULY 10, 2005

CRISIS PLANNING

When there is an emergency like the London bombings, the public instinctively turns to professionals for help. We speak to two experts who are in Toronto today for the World Conference on Disaster Management. Adrian Gordon is the Executive Director of the Canadian Centre for Emergency Preparedness, and Peter Power is Managing Director of a London-based consulting firm that specializes in crisis management, Visor Consultants - which on the morning of July 7 was co-incidentally running a security exercise for a private firm, simulating multiple bomb explosions in the London Underground, at the same stations that were subsequently attacked in real life.

http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/#night


This fellow looks legitimate. Here's a link to his website:

http://www.visorconsultants.com/teamvisor_peter-power.html


Since it appears that this rumor is now proving to be true, I think this info takes it out of the realm of CT.

[Minstrel Boy]

1. Paul Thompson transcribed some of the interview

I saved it here:

Solomon: "We've heard something quite extraordinary - could be a coincidence or not - that your firm, on the very day that the bombs went off in London, were running an exercise simulating three bombs going off, in the very same tube stations that they went off. How did this happen? Coincidence, or were you acting on information that you knew?

Power: I don't think you could say that we had some special insight into the terrorist network, otherwise I would be under arrest myself. The truth of it is..

Solomon: But it is a coincidence..

Power: It's a coincidence, and it's a spooky coincidence. Our scenario was very similar - it wasn't totally identical, but it was based on bombs going off, to the time, the locations, all this sort of stuff. But it wasn't an accident, in the sense that London has a history of bombs, and the reason why our emergency services did so well, and prepared probably better than any other city in the world, sadly they have to be. So it wasn't exactly rocket science or totally out of the pale to come up with that scenario unusual though it be to stop the exercise and go into real time, and it worked very well, although there was a few seconds when the audience didn't realize whether it was real or not.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. Thank you

you guys are amazing. I hope he transcribes and post the rest of it.

[Name removed]

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[leftchick]

19. there are no coincidences

when the BFEE is running the show.

[evolvenow]

32. Go Minstrel Boy! Why were the threat levels LOWERED in London, while G8

was happening? Does that make any sense? Doesn't that sound familiar?

Follow the money? Has there been any research into any unusual financial activity that day, like 9/11? That would point to pre-planning in a specific manner.

Was it false-flag, to keep the UK from pulling out of Iraq, and to roll ou the ID program that 80% of people are Against?

How horrible, yet again.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

3. What appears to be true?

Is there any reason to believe they were actually in the tube? Nothing on CBC suggests that is the case.

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. Did you get to see the report?

Or are you just going by the blurb?

How would you do an exercise for an attack on the London Underground without do it in the Underground?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. The key word is...

SIMULATION.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. All these exercises

are simulations. What do you want them to do, set off real bombs?

The fact is that a rumor went out claiming that such an exercise had taken place. Now we have a credible source coming forward and confirming that indeed such an exercise took place. So far there is no way to know the nature of that exercise until we get a transcript of the entire interview. However, whether it was done on site or on a computer or in some other way doesn't, the fact remains that this exercise did happen.

[Minstrel Boy]

9. Apparently Power was on site

At least he said so in the BBC interview.

[muriel_volestrangler]

10. 'On site' means on the company's site

He said he was in a room with their crisis managers. He said it was a company with over 1,000 London employees. That would not be London Underground, or one of the bus companies; I'd say it's most likely to be a financial firm. Whoever it is, many companies have to be able to keep their business going when key staff are unavailable, when movement around the city may be difficult, when mobile phones aren't working, and so on.

[endarkenment]

13. many such simulations in the past

have used real people in real situations. The part they simulate is actually blowing shit up. For example the rather famous cia experiments with releasing various airborne substances in the NYC subways.

But I'm still curious about how the bombs were rigged such that they exploded simultaneously and while each of the trains was between stations. Early reports claimed that cell-phone communications would be difficult due to interference in the tunnels. Just coincidence that all three trains blew up between stations? Just coincidence that they were simultaneous? I find it hard to reconcile both facts.

Finally there is the problem of the bus bomb. Deliberate? Accident? Was the bomb en route to a train and got delayed? I suppose one scenario that might work would be to set the bombs to go off at a specific time and then have the bombers assigned to get those bombs onto a train that would be mid-station at that time. Are the London trains that dependable that they could have practiced the timing?

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. The assumption is that timers were used

Many reports have talked about the remains of timers being found at one or more of the bomb sites. That could account for the simultaneous tube explosions. One bombs was more or less directly at a station:

"We just pulled out of Edgware Road and the next thing I knew there was a large flash of light"

"I was in the eastbound Circle line train just coming into Edgware Road when the westbound train in front of us exploded."

"Thirty seconds after leaving the station there was a blast."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4662423.stm

So, yes, I'd say it was coincidence. The timing of Tube trains is far from reliable, but a bomb while it was at a station would be pretty devastating too - as well as those inside, those getting in and out would get hit by flying glass, etc.

The theories on the bus bomb are tending towards an 'accidental' explosion (for instance, they think the position, on top of the bus at the back, was far from where the maximum damage would have been done). The bus had actually been diverted from its normal route - because of the disruption caused by the earlier Tube bombs. Perhaps the bomber did have a plan, but had set the timer before he found out the bus was following a non-standard route. There's still plenty of room for speculation at this stage.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

22. ". Are the London trains that dependable..."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Good one.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Here's some info on Peter Power

Visor Consultants
Managing Director - Peter Power

Peter Power is Managing Director of Visor Consultants Limited based in Piccadilly, London. He has considerable front-line crisis experience and is, uniquely, a Fellow of the Emergency Planning Society, Fellow of the Chartered Management Institute, Fellow of the Business Continuity Institute, Fellow of the Institute of Risk Management and a member of the Guild of Freemen of the City of London.

Peter is very well known as an authoritative and entertaining presenter and writer, who speaks frequently on UK TV & Radio. He is the author of the present UK Govt. (DTI) advice booklet 'Preventing Chaos in a Crisis' and the new British Bankers Association / KPMG guide on Crisis Management. He is the Founding Chairman of the Survive Crisis Mgt. Special Interest Group, and is also engaged as a Special Advisor to a number of key organisations including the Canadian Centre for Emergency Preparedness, Disaster Management Forum (UK) and the Business Continuity (BC) Institute London Forum.

Peter has a senior Scotland Yard background which includes setting up the multi agency operational management structure at the Kings Cross fire, secondment to the Anti Terrorist Branch, deputy forward control coordinator at the Libyan People Bureau siege and leading the team behind the existing police street philosophy for dealing with terrorist bombs. He is also the primary author / promulgator of the present UK Police command methodology Gold, Silver & Bronze and a founder member of the UK judging panel for BC Awards.

http://www.visorconsultants.com/teamvisor_peter-power.html

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. Also, if you do a search on Powers and Visor, there are many hits.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22peter+power%22+visor+consultants%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t-273&fl=0&x=wrt

He didn't just magically appear out of nowhere.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. Yes, this fellow seems to be legitimate

So who was the 'private firm' paying him to carry out this 'exercise' and what were they actually doing that morning needs to be looked into.

[screembloodymurder]

15. Visor Consultants

http://www.visorconsultants.com/index.html

[Frederik]

18. Yes, but Visor was hired

by a - so far unnamed - private company to do the excercise.

[evolvenow]

31. Is private co linked to Guiliani or Kerik? Why were they on MSM so fast?

Yes, knowing that Private Company might provide a new window into a horrific event.

I believe that the people of the UK will react in a way that will get to the truth behind what really happened. God, I hope they do, as if there are substantial ties to the War Criminal Club, it could expose the dark underbelly of those murderers.

kick


What are the connections.


Why did the simulated Panorama show air the exact same day of the Operation Transit SAFE?

[Frederik]

34. Peter Powers: "They were trying to keep it quiet"

Peter Power is of course the managing director of Visor Consultants, and the person who revealed that the excercise had taken place.

"Afterwards, while escorting Power out of the building, Colman asked why there had not been more media coverage of this rather curious co-incidence - to which Power responded (with a knowing smile) that "they were trying to keep it quiet"."

http://ca.geocities.com/[e-mail]/weblog/2005/07/update-london-underground-bombing.html

[evolvenow]

35. EVIL, so much damn evil, and innocent people,dead, are an "AUDIENCE",

Joseph Conrad got it right when he wrote, "The Heart of Darkness".

The worst part is that most people are absolutely good, and would help another without any hesitation, and yet a small number of EVIL, SICK, GREEDY, MURDERERS has too much money, power and the MSM to continue to cause such outrageous harm.

The only solution is to know as MUCH AS POSSIBLE, and to tell the TRUTH to as many people as possible, and take compassionate actions, until these ILL individuals are either locked up or forced out of power.

[StrafingMoose]

39. The more I look at it...

It needs to be more than a tabletop exercise to have any kind of suspicious meaning.

Apparently, a private customer hired Visor for the paper BS and communications about crisis management.

Who this "private customer" could have hired for ANOTHER part of the drill if any?

Another private security provider that offers the services of onsite security agents and such?

If they DID have people on the specified "drilled" areas they, in all logic, must have warned the autorities.

Could "private customer" be a private company funded indirectly/directly by people on MI5's wanted terrorist list? (Read: P-tech scandal).

Oh well, I'm throwing a wild guess here. Let's see what happens.

[Eloriel]

41. Well, Giuliani was IN London, wasn't he? I saw him on BBC that day

and with the sunset Thames view behind him, so it wasn't satellite from D.C. or NYC to London.

So, does anyone know what he was doing in London?

[StrafingMoose]

42. If you know...

If it's not for sheer entertainement, you might want to look in which private companies he bought shares from. In which companies he's involved.

That'll possibly open up a money trail as to why he would travel overseas, for purposes other than entertainement.

I guess this would be all public domain information.

[DemInDistress]

44. I think Rudy Giuliani is becoming

another Rev.AL Sharpton

[orleans]

55. i've kept wondering why he was there too and apparently he was

"on business"

"Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, in London for business, was having breakfast only a block away from the Liverpool station, where the first of four explosions occurred. Giuliani says living through another attack, as he did on 9/11, was an "eerie" experience."

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=51996

would it be his firm that visor consultants was running the simulation for?

[Gay Green]

16. It seems to me

that the BFEE's moles in the government and the secuity firms find out about these exercises... then pass the info on so that their PAID terrorists get to do their attacks at the same time.

Then, like Ponty Pilate, these $cumbags get to wash their hands of the whole affair.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. You got it

what most people don't understand is how this stuff works. There is never any direct connection. Its all with winks and nods. I'm sure Mr. Power doesn't have a clue that his operation might have been hijacked. However, in the end all roads lead to the BCF.

[Minstrel Boy]

20. Should be page one - kick n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. It needs a few more votes for that to happen

n/t

[gandalf]

23. We should be glad this thread is still alive

and we should not nominate it -- it would certainly be deleted. This topic is not welcome here.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. It does seem we are hitting a sour spot with this one,

and when that happens, like it did this morning on DU and this weekend on KOS, it only makes me want to scream even louder.

[gandalf]

25. I just caught your signature line...

you surely cannot be counted to the reality based community ;)

[evolvenow]

33. Exactly, must be near the truth, that someone doesn't want to hear.Or-well

kick

[Name removed]

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[QuettaKid]

27. KIICK .....KICK..... KICK.... and..... K-I-C-K !!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[paulthompson]

28. Still more links and info

There has been some controversy about an AP story that claimed the British warned Israeli Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (who was staying in a nearly hotel) minutes before the first bombing. However, some say the story has since been discredited, and I don't want to open up that whole can of worms. But Stratfor ran a story suggesting the British failed to act on warnings, and that story has not been withdrawn in any way. Stratfor is a respected private intelligence service much like the more famous Jane's. Fortune Magazine has said of it: "Stratfor Inc., is one of the elite but low-profile private intelligence agencies that are increasingly relied upon by multinational corporations, private investors, hedge funds, and even the government's own spy agencies."

Here's what Stratfor has said:

Contrary to original claims that Israel was warned “minutes before” the first attack, unconfirmed rumors in intelligence circles indicate that the Israeli government actually warned London of the attacks “a couple of days” previous. Israel has apparently given other warnings about possible attacks that turned out to be aborted operations. The British government did not want to disrupt the G-8 summit in Gleneagles, Scotland, or call off visits by foreign dignitaries to London, hoping this would be another false alarm.

The British government sat on this information for days and failed to respond. Though the Israeli government is playing along publicly, it may not stay quiet for long. This is sure to apply pressure on Blair very soon for his failure to deter this major terrorist attack.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9412.htm

---

Note that the above story in no way blames Israel for the attacks. It was the British government who was capable or acting and failed to act, and in this story, the Israeli government did their best to warn the British, repeatedly. So please, a discussion of this article should focus on what the British did or did not do, because that's what the article is about.

I find this story interesting too:

Blair Rules Out Bomb Inquiry

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,15889534%255E1702,00.html

But I'm sure it's not because he has anything to hide or anything like that. :)

[evolvenow]

29. Copy these links/pages before they get scrubbed...BBC broadcast sim. attac

Exercise Atlantic Blue: 7/7 Rehearsal?

from the Guardian:


Anti-terror drill revealed soft targets in London

"A massive anti-terror exercise carried out last April to find out how safe London's transport systems were from attack raised concern over the vulnerability of passengers, The Observer can reveal.

Washington sources have revealed that the biggest transatlantic counter-terrorism exercise since 9/11 - which included 'bombs' being placed on buses and explosives left on the London underground - raised fears over the vulnerability of 'soft targets' in the capital.

The anti-terror drill, codenamed Exercise Atlantic Blue, involved 10,000 personnel in the UK and 2,500 in the UK. It was billed as the biggest test of the anti-terror defences of both the UK and the US and was designed to improve security. The exercise featured simulated explosive, biological and chemical attacks and, in the case of London, concentrated on testing security weaknesses in the transport system."


Another drill...

"...A full-scale mock attack was staged in September 2003 to give emergency services the chance to rehearse: lessons learnt from it, including the need for specially adapted trolleys to use in rescuing passengers from narrow tunnels, were put into place last week. Firefighters have also been trained to drive tube trains, so that if a driver were killed they would be able to move a train to the safety of a platform; the trains hit last week were too badly disabled to be moved..."

more...
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1525247,00.html

--UPDATE--

From Continuity Forum:
In a March 17, 2005 interview Home Office Minister Hazel Blears was asked:

Question: "What happens if a terrorist incident occurs during the exercise?"

Answer: "In the event of a major incident of any sort a decision would be taken to halt the exercise. There will be no impact on the level of policing or security within London during the week of the exercise."
http://www.continuityforum.org/news/atlanticblue
--------------------------------------------------
"Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white "mercenary terrorists" was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London.

The Independent on Sunday can reveal today that investigations into the bombings of three Tube trains and a bus, which left at least 49 people dead, are focusing on the possibility that criminal gangs were paid to mount the worst atrocities in British history."

"The theory was given credence by the fact that the security services had no advance warnings, suggesting that the bombers were not known extremists. Police and intelligence agencies admitted yesterday they were caught off guard."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298105.ec...

Does this indicate there is some evidence suggesting the bombers were white caucasians? Of course it could be al-qaida paying them.

The explosive devises were "sophisticated".


http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article298105.ece


------------------------------------
Have you seen?



 Here is an eery transcript from the BBC about a similar attack... Very War of the Worlds type broadcast but creepy, and look at the timing: drill took place same day as Operation Transit SAFE, as Culhavoc pointed out.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/pano...


NB: THIS TRANSCRIPT WAS TYPED FROM A TRANSCRIPTION UNIT RECORDING AND
NOT COPIED FROM AN ORIGINAL SCRIPT: BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITY OF MIS-
HEARING AND THE DIFFICULTY, IN SOME CASES OF IDENTIFYING INDIVIDUAL
SPEAKERS, THE BBC CANNOT VOUCH FOR ITS ACCURACY.
........................................................................

PANORAMA

LONDON UNDER ATTACK
RECORDED FROM TRANSMISSION: BBC-1 DATE: 16:05:04
........................................................................

The events in this programme are fictional
Everything else is fact



KIRSTY: This is BBC News on Tuesday May 25th, it's 8 o'clock – the headlines. The American Secretary
of State is due to arrive shortly at Heathrow Airport beginning his official visit to the UK.

GAVIN ESLER: What you are about to see is series of terrorist attacks.

KIRSTY: The Bank of England is due to revue interest rates this afternoon. Experts are saying they could
rise.

ESLER: This scenario is well researched but fictional.

KIRSTY: And police in London are on extra alert for the this evening's European Champions League Cup
Match between Arsenal and the Turkish side Galatasaray. We're just receiving news of an explosion in the
London underground near Hyde Park, this has not yet been confirmed by the police.

Tues May 25 08:27
BREAKING NEWS
There has been a second explosion in the underground, this time close to Oxford Circus. Both explosions
appear to have occurred on the trains as they were moving. We've got on further details at this stage but we
will bring you more information on this as soon as we get it.

ESLER: This is the kind of terrorist attack the government repeatedly says is going to happen.

November 2002
Tony Blair Prime Minister
Would Al-Qaeda buy weapons of mass destruction if it could? Certainly. Would it use such weapons?
Definitely.

June 2003 (Actor's voice)
Eliza Manningham-Buller
Director General MI5
We are faced with the realistic possibility of some form of unconventional attack.

December 2003
David Veness
Assistant Commissione, Metropolitan Police
We need to confront murder on a mass scale.

(more)
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Culhavoc (11 posts)
Sun Jul-10-05 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
The US companion drill on May 16th, 2004

In the early morning hours of May 16, OEM hosted Operation Transit SAFE, the City's first interagency subway exercise, at lower Manhattan's Bowling Green subway station. Inspired by the Madrid bombings of March 2004, the four-hour drill was designed to test the City's response to a terrorist attack in the subway.

Sponsored by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Office for Domestic Preparedness (ODP), Transit SAFE involved more than 500 emergency responders and 400 NYPD recruits and FDNY probationary firefighters posing as "victims" and "evacuees."
http://www.nyc.gov/html/oem/html/events/2004.05.16_transitsafe.html

Although the US/NYC drill and the London drill both occur on May 16th, 2004, there are no British agencies in the list of participants of Operation Transit SAFE.

-Culhavoc



deconstructing a false-flag operation http://culhavoc.blogsome.com

[emcguffie]

30. kick

Mr. Power said something about the hairs on the back of his neck "still standing up".

[QuettaKid]

36. here is what he said....

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

[Pooka Fey]

37. Kicking. Tried to recommend, but I got 'shut down'. Good post.

Good thread. I'm shocked and pleased to see a post in this forum up on the Greatest Page anyway. Curiouser and curiouser. :thumbsup:

[Eloriel]

38. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on whoever is responsible

for moving this thread to this dungeon. SHAME on them.

EVERY DAMN TIME I get ready donate more to DU than the barest minimum, something revolting and repulsive like this happens. Every time. I'd been somewhat pleased at the more pro-active, pro-feminist stance of DU lately and was just about ready to not only start donating a piddly small amount I can afford on a monthly basis, but get some of my feminist sisters to join me. But not now. Nope. And it'll probably take another year to year and a half for me to warm up to the idea.

VILE WORDS, VILE WORDS, VILE WORDS.

[spooked911]

40. I agree. I hope you let the administrators know your thoughts.

[Eloriel]

43. I did. And I hope you did as well. n/t

[Matariki]

48. Did you hear back from them?

I'd love to understand their reasoning.

[Eloriel]

53. Don't expect to. Check your PMs.

[Matariki]

47. that surprised me too

i was following this thread in GD and it disappeared. Only found it by using my browser's history.

I don't get it. this is *very* current and being reported in a mainstream source.

what gives?

on edit: on the other hand i was never aware of this forum until today.

[bloom]

56. " i was never aware of this forum until today"

If all the good stuff is going to be sent here - I'll have to check in more often.

And I guess they should rename it if they are going to send anything about any incidents here.

[dbeach]

52. the dungeon indeed..

octafish calls this 9/11forum..:"the back waters"

so I said to him lots of pearls in the back waters
and dungeons often are loaded with truth seekers

didn't the pontif bust galileo for something ect...??

the gang busted JC for being such a big mouth and upsettin their comfy status quo..and plus tossed him in da slammer and did a torture job on poor JC

and in the dungeon ya gots planty time to think and dream and of course to plan your escape..lets make it a group jail break..

[arikara]

45. Why can't I recommend this thread?

I swear, DU is being taken over by pod people.

That's meant as :sarcasm: not CT...

[undeterred]

46. You can't recommend this thread for greatest page

BUT a moderator told me this:

"one suggestion to make interesting information from the September 11 forum more visible is to simply post a pointer to it. In General Discussion, simply post "Hey guys, cool new info about 9/11 here:" and post a link to the 9/11 thread.

[stickdog]

50. Let the wise owl tell us how long those threads will last in GD ...

"ah one, ah two, ah three. three."

[pauldp]

49. It's all just a crazy coincidence.

They just happened to be doing bomb exercises of almost the exact same attacks at the same stations at the same time. How dare anyone call for an investigation! Didn't everyone get the memo that bizarre or impossible coincidences are now commonplace?

Ever since the laws of probability changed a few years back it is now most certainly innappropriate to raise questions or call for a full scale investigation if National Exit Polls are impossibly outside the margin of error. OR if vote counting discrepancies seem highest in precincts where electronic voting machines providing no paper trail are used. OR if hijacking exercises are taking place on the same day that hijacked airplanes hit major US cities. I know Condi Rice told us they had never concieved of such a thing so it must just be a coincidence that the administration was kept out of the loop on those exercises. OR that the three most unusual collapses in US history of steel high rise buldings due to fire occured on the same day and that clean up crews just happened to get rid of all the steel before it could be tested for explosives. OR that surface to air missile defenses at The Pentagon, one of the most highly defended buildings in the world, failed half an hour after the second World Trade Center Tower was hit. OR that Osama Bin Laden's brother was Bush's business partner. OR that Bush's brother was directly involved in the company that provided security for the WTC up to 911.

How dare anyone raise any questions about any of these things when we all know crazy coincidences happen from time to time. Our leaders should not waste time answering absurd questions like these because they have to focus on capturing the fundamentalist Muslims who are undoubtedly behind all of this. RIGHT?

end :sarcasm:

[arikara]

51. And heaven help anyone who questions these things

you get fitted for tin foil and banished to the basement.

[soulcore]

54. ok seriously

what's with the moving of new, legitimate news to the 9/11 cellar?

i'm a lurker here, and it's sad that i begin the bulk of my posting having to ask about crap like this....

so, why the move? Is the CBC not a reliable enough source?

[pauldp]

57. Did you say anything to the Mods? nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

58. There were some problems yesterday

and things in LBN and GD got out of control. By the end of the day, Skinner decided to put the threads down here. Things needed to get calmed down, so I will respect his decision. Maybe if any new information comes out, we can try again in GD.

Besides right now the big story is Karl Rove. We need to focus on that one, rather then speculate about something we will never be able to prove.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, removing Bu$hCo from power.

[arikara]

59. With all due respect

that explanation makes no sense regarding the information on this thread. KKKarl is the "big" story now but many others can and do co-exist. Why is this topic the only one that is moved out of view?

[DoYouEverWonder]

62. Here's the thread in GD

that might help clear things up for you or not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4081298

I regards to this thread, I still don't know why it was moved. I posted in based on guidelines given me to the mods and it lasted most of the day. Then it got dumped down here. I thought we were keep the tinfoil under control in here but apparently Skinner thought otherwise.

[atim]

60. Could the Simulation be a decoy to prevent real-time security intervention

Just like Norad had several air attack simulation, one on the same day as 9-11, so they did not respond immediately while the actual event took place in broad daylight on public TV (they get message sooner than the intelligence it seems) to create virtual terror in public mind.
------
Why inquire if it is an inside job like 9-11? Makes sense, doesn't it.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=80&contentid=2409

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=80&contentid=2413

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=80&contentid=2420

[JackieO]

61. Is this thread about 9/11?

:patriot: :sarcasm:

[helderheid]

63. so does that mean we can post 7/7 threads in GD instead of

here? 9/11 and 7/7 are seperate attacks - why the HELL are we talking about this here??