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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:05 PM Original message |
I'm sorry, but the WTC came down from the aircraft strike and fire. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. My eyes were glued to the 2nd building after I saw it hit live... |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:23 PM Original message |
Not anytime soon, it won't. n/t |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
94. for a detailed scholarly open-source analysis click here --------- > LINK |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. What's that big red flickering thing coming in this direction? |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. What's the theory on WTC7? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I recommend a trip to the 9/11 forum |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Is this thread in response to this article? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. and I can find Tenured Biology Professors |
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Coastie for Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Jones is the same Physicist who gave us "cold fusion" |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
79. Coastie? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. In response to DOZENS of postings here. |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. back in the good old days |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. And the horizontal ejecta... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. and what happens to steel when you compress it |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. What the BYU prof proposes is falsifiable when put to the test |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Just look at this -- then tell me what's loony |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. WTC 7 wasn't even hit and it collapsed too |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. It had just been through the equivalent of an earthquake... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. any history of high rise buildings spontaneously collapsing |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
66. I'll bet no building has ever gone through that level of abuse before. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Wrong on both counts ... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. if they took down seven |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. WTC6 a Shield? More like a speed bump... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You just weren't there or didn't see pics ... |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. "Weren't there?" |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Did you look at the WTC 7 collapse video? |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. The one that showed windows blowing out? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Remember Oklahoma City bombing? PHOTO |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. it's an 8 story building |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
70. Simple answers. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. I agree, you knock the bottom out the tops got to go. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. There was almost no damage to WTC7 |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. What makes you say that? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I'm not basing this on what could have happened, but on what did happen |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Both these pics are from the north side of 7, away from the plaza. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Here's a peek, if it comes through |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. What's the point of view of these pictures? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
89. Eyewitness accounts of heavy damage.. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
105. I'd say this is pretty much conclusive. |
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Bob3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sorry ben |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Like I say below. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Not to mention that if you accept Oswald, you accept the magic bullet. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
100. Nothing whatsoever magic about that bullet. |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. I can, and so can thousands of other people. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
104. Well... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. What did Lee HArvey Oswald and Charles Joseph Whitman have in common? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Yeah, so was Private Pyle |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
72. Hmmm. Using a ficticious person to make an argument? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Not to make an argument, but to highlight one |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
63. Every Marine a rifleman. |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. Smoking man voice: "Your wrong Ben" |
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bullimiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. ben, i think you are in denial. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Looking at the video is how I reached my conclusion. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. So is this a reason to believe... |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
73. "the debris was rushed out of the site with no forensics and steel |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. People are so easily swayed. |
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MN ChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
18. However good a shot Oswald was, |
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400Years (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. there's just no way Oswald acted alone |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I could do the same with the same type of rifle. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
112. Oswald's shot is extremely easy to make. |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. You're entitled to your opinion. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Totally Different Designs |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. So how is this germaine? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. your only relevant point is plane strike--one building didn't burn long |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. No! |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. Special pleading. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
24. Bother me not with your facts, science, and logic. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
28. It is so loony to me that Bush would |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
33. 3 buildings don't fall in their own footprints unless by design |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Billy... They simply cannot fall any other way. |
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MN ChimpH8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Did the WTC fall the way it did |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. fyi: it was supported by a very strong center |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. yes, but it was built |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:15 PM Response to Reply #78 |
93. not true |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #93 |
113. Um, they were hit by a very large plane? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. and as the floor went, |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. How would you have them fall? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. yes, it was designed. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. clean collapse vs dirty collapse |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. simple engineering logic |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. but the twin towers had massive steel cores as well as steel curtains |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. "3 buildings don't fall in their own footprints unless by design" |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
37. You make Our Lord George W. Bush smile when you think like that! |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Benburch, my apology and explanation for this |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
38. Gravity did it |
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oregonindy (790 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. you say loony but dont include any scientific evidence. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I did in replies above. |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
44. Apologies to you, benburch. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. Never a problem! |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
67. Fires |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. it's hard to tell from the steel |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Molten? |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. from the article in question: |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. If I understand you correctly... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. from what I have seen |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Much of the steel survived, |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
84. Sigh . . . |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. OCTA personnel Please report for your blue pill for the day ... |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
90. So who's the one clinging to a belief system here? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Very well put -- exactly |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. No, my argument is that they didn't do it. |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. So what about building 7? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Nope... |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. OK tell me what about it does not look like a controlled demo? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. None of it looks like a controlled demolition. |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Ha! |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 08:55 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. So are you saying.... |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. You will clearly believe what you want to believe. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. You might expect a highrise to behave that way |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. They do. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 09:25 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I see. Tell me, how many steel-frame highrises |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. None. But that isn't the point. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 10:34 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. It isn't the only point. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 12:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. That's very telling -- none, but three on one day! |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. "I REFUSE to believe that Cheney is THAT evil!" |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-15-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. You are evading my question. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. You can't make a building that size fall anywhere other than straight down |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. So now YOU are evading my question. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. How about there are no explosions on the upper floors? |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Thank You for being specific!! But what about these... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-05 07:50 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. You asked for explosions on upper floors? You got em |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Thanks for that link. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. That's glass and other crap blowing out from the building collapsing. |
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publius_jr (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 03:40 AM Response to Reply #103 |
123. PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES |
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DemonFighterLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 07:37 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Good Post |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Thank you for this clear eyed post and welcome to DU! |
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pauldp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Great post. Thanks and welcome to DU. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. That vector is overwhelmed in this case. |
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