Here is the motive behind the lies to go to war

[Mountainman]

I'm sure all of you know this and to you it is old news, but to the vast majority of Americans the dots have not been connected. All these pieces are random events to them but taken together with a time line, it makes sense.

What screwed up the plans of Cheney et. al. was and is the fierce fighting of the insurgency. By now all should have been done and the oil companies making their huge profits off of Iraqi oil. To some extent they already are but not to the extent planned.

Here goes.

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This story has it's roots in WWII. Had Germany won the war, Hitler would have had control of the largest oil resources in the world. Possiby that is why grandpaw Bush worked with the Nazis. Germany lost and the stage was set for oil domination by the oil interests in this story.

The oil interests are funded by the Carlisle group who are central to this whole story.

In the 1950's the Arab countries nationalized the oil fields and put the plans of the oil interests on hold. Thus we installed the Shah of Iran. He was overthrown by fundamentalists and plans were on hold again. In the 80's the oil interests worked with Saddam in Iraq to fight the fundamentalists in Iran. He won but for some reason he did not play along with the plans of the oil interests.

After the first Gulf war, oil entities were disappointed that we did not go to Baghdad and remove Saddam then. They wanted control of the oil fields then and thought they would get it. That is why Saddam set the oil wells on fire.

Bush 1 did not march to Baghdad promising that that he would do just that in his second term. He did not have a second term. Clinton became president and that put the plans off for 4 years. Thus the attacks on Clinton via Ken Starr.

The plan then was to put a puppet repub president on the thrown in 1996, probably Dan Quayle. Clinton was reelected and again put their plans off for 4 more years unless they could convince Clinton to go along with them. In 1998 in steps PNAC with their request to Bill Clinton to go along with them. PNAC needed an event to get the American people behind them. Those attempts were the fist World Trade Center bombings and the attack on the USS Cole. Most probably PNAC was working with Osama Ben Laden at this time. The World Trade Center bombings failed to bring down the twin towers and the Cole attack was seen as a minor terrorist attack by the American people. Bill Clinton treated them as a crime and a police matter. His attack on Ben Laden may have been an attempt to end PNAC's efforts or as a token effort to bring him to justice.

Planning for the 2000 elections, the oil interests lead by Cheney substituted George Bush for Dan Quayle. That was in 1998 and all the talk then was that the Governor of Texas would make a good Repub candidate for president. You all know the story behind the 2000 elections so I won't go into it here. Suffice to say that they got Bush installed as the puppet president and Cheney as VP. I think the MSM was compliant in this and they have stayed that way until now. I'm not sure why. Shortly there after Cheney had meetings with oil execs to divided up post war Iraq.

The plans to go into Iraq were in place before 2000. There needed to be an event to get the American people behind the effort to go to war.
Thus 9/11 was a LIHOP or MIHOP event with the help of Ben Laden. The Afghan war was a token effort to "punish" the perpetrators of 9/11. That is why Ben Laden was never found and will not be found.

Right after 9/11 the plans to invade Iraq were on the front burner again. The lies began to be told to get the American people behind the war effort. Thus 9/11 connection with Saddam and all the other lies. We were going to war with Iraq because it had already been planned since the end of the first Gulf war.

The administration really believed that the shock and awe would be the end all thus the mission accomplished stunt by Bush. There was no attempt at that time to overthrow Saddam and that is why he will never go to trial.

Now comes the insurgency and all plans are put on hold again. That's where we are today. There are no plans for the US military to leave Iraq. They are needed to protect the oil interests and to spread their control to Iran and Syria. For this to succeed the insurgency has to be put down and the repukes have to win the 2006 and 2008 elections. The war will continue and include Iran and Syria and last right up until 2008 when it will be ended and Bush will be the hero and the repukes will win the presidency with the help of Diebold and the oil interests will have their spoils.

Of course we could foil their plans.

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The enemies of the oil interests are always protrayed as the enemies of the American people and some are. They are Hitler, the Iranian fundamentalists, Saddam, Al queda, the Taliban and now the whole world of terrorists out there. They are used to scare the American people thus winning support for oil interests though unknowingly. The corting of the religious fundamentalists in this country is also designed to help the oil interests and it is not seen as that by them.

I have long wondered why the MSM was backing the Bush regime ever since the 2000 elections. At first the MSM had been supporting Gore until the debates when they switched and started using the repubs talking points against him and have been doing Rove's bidding up till now. They must have been sold on the peak oil idea and that the west needs to be in control of the world's oil as the supply runs out because their survival depends on it. The reason they are starting to turn on the Bush regime is because they see that this administration cannot do the job. Possibly there will be a future repub administration that carries on the oil interests plans.

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I don't mean this to be a writing of history. It is just something that has been buzzing around in my head for a long time. I always need to know the why of things. I just can't take somebody's word for it. My dad taught me to always question what people tell me or what I read. Perhaps if more Americans did that we wouldn't be in this mess. I am sure this story has many more twists and turns than I have presented here. It is a whole tapestry of events and if all of us made it a project we could really make a masterpiece. I am not equiped to be the end all and be all of this story by any means.

[Al-CIAda]

1. Rec'd. -n/t

[mourningdove92]

2. makes sense to me...nominated.

[electropop]

21. I think the Invasion has been a huge success.

I find it impossible to believe that the Fascists who so adeptly took over the Earth's only superpower are as incompetent as they want us to believe when it comes to taking over a 3rd-world country.

This is not a war for oil. It is a war against oil. The Regime has successfully blocked the flow of product from their main competitor, boosting the value of their product (oil) worldwide. I call $2.50-$3.50 a gallon a resounding success.

But, but, aren't the Saudis the biggest competitor of American Oil (i.e. the whole Regime)? No, the Saudis are a seamless part of one large Bush-Laden cartel.

[EVDebs]

3. Greg Palast has written about this and shown on BBC's Newsnight nt

[Hobo]

4. Good post......

I minor thing....its was the Shah of Iran........


LOL

Hobo

[Mountainman]

9. corrected

[BadgerKid]

5. New pre-planning docs

1. Big oil met with Cheney task force

"A White House document shows that executives from big oil companies met with Vice President Cheney's energy task force in 2001 -- something long suspected by environmentalists but denied as recently as last week by industry officials testifying before Congress."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10045043

2. Cheney enegy task force documents feature map of Iraqi oilfields

"Judicial Watch has been seeking these documents under FOIA since April 19, 2001. Judicial Watch was forced to file a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia (Judicial Watch Inc. v. Department of Energy, et al., Civil Action No. 01-0981) when the government failed to comply with the provisions of the FOIA law. U.S. District Court Judge Paul J. Friedman ordered the government to produce the documents on March 5, 2002."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.b_pr.shtml

Maps and charts of oil fields:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml

[welshTerrier2]

6. Pipelineistan

the only place i disagree is on Afghanistan ... i agree that the excuse was to capture bin Laden ... but the invasion of Afghanistan was not just a little side show to the war in Iraq ... it had the exact same objective ... if you look at a map of the Unocal pipeline that was built in Afghanistan and then you look at the 3 US military bases the US built there, it's clear why we invaded ...

http://atimes.com/c-asia/DA25Ag01.html

[spindrifter]

7. Brilliant dot connection and explanation of the creation of

Pipelinestan--(that is a great term for the geopolitical mess the neocons are creating).
What's been wrong with the press? Don't forget, they have been corrupted by the wooing and creation of embeds such as Jmiller. The press is oriented toward sound-bites--whether you are talking about print or audio-visual. What type of sound bites do they prefer--battlegrounds--not committee investigations. Plenty of the MSM was conservative-controlled before any (most?) of us were born.

[Boxerfan]

8. Nominated...

I definitely needed this (Ok I'm a bit of a noob).
I appreciate the synopsis as it makes it much easier to comprehend.
I would like to mail a copy to my E-mail list if that's Ok . Thank you!

[Mountainman]

13. be my guest. It is only my ideas and may not be the truth though!

[No Exit]

10. I think you've got it right. And the poster who added the part

about "Pipelineistan" added the one bit needed.

I've read stuff about all this at www.onlinejournal.com. If you haven't been there, take a look! (I'm not affiliated with that website in any way; just find it very informative.)

[candice]

11. LIHOP or MIHOP? Please define.

[Mountainman]

12. let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose

[Mme. Defarge]

16. Candice,

I see you are at 287 posts and haven't figured it out either! Thanks for speaking up.

[Festivito]

14. REASON: Followers want to be bigger fish compared to the smaller fish.

This is what draws mediocre sons of wealth.

The size of the fish tank cannot be changed so easily.

Destroy the middle class. Steal the pensions. Lose their medical care. Reduce SS. Increase penalties for non-compliance. All reduce choices for the small fish whose freedoms become smaller and smaller.

Perpetuate, thus give credibility to an aristocracy. (The "DEATH-tax")

Thus the big fish feels bigger and bigger, without doing any study, any exercise, nothing. Just rewarded for being mean and crafty in their mediocre-minded selfishness.

That's why the papers and big execs follow the CONs.

[EVDebs]

22. Wealth and Democracy by Kevin Phillips shows econ empires fail

when wealth concentrations become too great. Spain, Netherlands, Great Britain, and now US.

You can have a democracy or great wealth, but you cannot have both--Louis Brandeis

[Mme. Defarge]

15. A couple of questions ...

1) Didn't the Lewensky scandal break after Clinton's re-election? Was this supposed to happen before the '96 election in order to hurt Clinton's chances, or was it just some kind of retaliation?

2) Did Bob Dole, who ran against Clinton in '96, have any ties to oil interets?

Good synopsis. Thanks.

[Mountainman]

20. The VRWC was after Clinton before the Lewensky scandal. That was

why the Whitewater investigation which was the start of Ken Starr's role. He expanded it and Clinton helped out by not controlling his johnson.

I don't know about Bob Dole. He may have been another puppet president idea. Maybe he could be controlled by the oil interests.

[bvar22]

17. Great synopsis...

Connected the BIG dots.

One minor correction:
"The plan then was to put a puppet repub president on the thrown in 1996..."
should be
The plan then was to put a puppet repub president on the throne in 1996

The only reason that I am pointing out this minor correction is that I believe that your piece will (should) go farther than just a GDP Thread.

I am bookmarking, saving for reference, nominating, and kicking.

Well Done!
:patriot:

[Mountainman]

19. I can't edit it anymore and I am such a horrendous speller and

I have some disabilities that make it very hard for me to see my mistakes. What I think I see some times is not what's there and I lose the connection that lets you think throne and type throne. I can think throne but type thrown and spell check doesn't help me. I apologize for any mistakes I made.

[Slit Skirt]

18. here is a nice addition

this is a MUST READ article

A Creeping Collapse in Credibility at the White House:
From ENRON Entanglements to UNOCAL Bringing the Taliban to Texas and Controlling Afghanistan
By Tom Turnipseed

The Bush Administration's entanglement with ENRON is beginning to unravel as it finally admits that Enron executives entered the White House six times last year to secretly plan the Administration's energy policy with Vice-President Cheney before the collapse of the Texas-based energy giant. Meanwhile, even more trouble for our former-Texas-oil-man-turned-President is brewing with reports that unveil UNOCAL, another big energy company, for being in bed with the Taliban, along with the U.S. government in a major, continuing effort to construct pipelines through Afghanistan from the petroleum-rich Caspian Basin in Central Asia. Beneath their burkas, UNOCAL is being exposed for giving the five star treatment to Taliban Mullahs in the Lone Star State in 1997. The "evil-ones" were also invited to meet with U.S. government officials in Washington, D.C.

According to a December 17, 1997 article in the British paper, The Telegraph, headlined, "Oil barons court Taliban in Texas," the Taliban was about to sign a "£2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country.
<snip>

At the same time, U.S. government documents reveal that the Taliban were harboring Osama bin Laden as their "guest" since June 1996.
<snip>

Back in Houston, the Taliban was learning how the "other half lives," and according to The Telegraph, "stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus." The Taliban representatives "...were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marveled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms." Mr. Miller, said he hoped that UNOCAL had clinched the deal.

Dick Cheney was then CEO of Haliburton Corporation, a pipeline services vendor based in Texas. Gushed Cheney in 1998, "I can't think of a time when we've had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. It's almost as if the opportunities have arisen overnight.
<snip>

The Telegraph reported that Unocal had promised to start building the pipeline and paying the Taliban immediately, with the added inducements and a donation of £500,000 to the University of Nebraska for courses in Afghanistan to train 400 teachers, electricians, carpenters and pipefitters.

<snip>
It's also exciting to the Bush Administration. According to the authors of Bin Laden, the Hidden Truth, one of the FBI's leading counter terrorism agents, John O'Neill, resigned last year in protest over the Bush Administration's alleged obstruction of his investigation into bin Laden. (A similar complaint has been filed on behalf of another unidentified FBI Agent by the conservative Judicial Watch public interest group.) Supposedly the Bush Administration had been meeting since January 2001 with the Taliban, and was also reluctant to offend Saudi Arabians who O'Neill had linked to bin Laden. Mr. O'Neill, after leaving the FBI, assumed the position of security director at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the 911 attacks.

As America's New War now begins focusing on other "rogue nations," UNOCAL's stars have magically aligned. About two months after the Houston parties, UNOCAL executive John Maresca addressed the House Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific and urged support for establishment of an investor-friendly climate in Afghanistan, "... we have made it clear that construction of our proposed pipeline cannot begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders and our company." Meaning that UNOCAL's ability to construct the Afghan pipeline was a cause worthy of U.S. taxpayer dollars.

Maresca's prayers have been answered with the Taliban's replacement. As reported in Le Monde, the new Afghan government's head, Hamid Karzai, formerly served as a UNOCAL consultant. Only nine days after Karzai's ascension, President Bush nominated another UNOCAL consultant and former Taliban defender, Zalmay Khalilzad, as his special envoy to Afghanistan.

When UNOCAL makes big bucks from the pipeline they should donate 50% of all pretax profits to the 911 Fund. And they should also cut a very special check to the widow of FBI Agent O'Neill.

Tom Turnipseed is a civil rights lawyer in South Carolina. Visit Tom's website at www.turnipseed.net

[nashville_brook]

23. courageous post

i think most people who have paid attention have a very simliar scenario in mind. the repubs told clinton flat-out, not to go up against them in 92 -- that they would go "personal." why 92? why was that so important to them. i've always wondered this. well, up until we invaded iraq.

[spooked911]

24. This is good but too oil-centric. Big oil is powerful but it doesn't drive

EVERYTHING.

I think you're right about many things here, but there are many other factors you are neglecting-- particularly domestic politics.

Besides, if oil was all important, why wouldn't Clinton/Gore/Democrats recognize it and bow to those interests?

[petgoat]

25. Big oil doesn't drive EVERYTHING

But if Mike Ruppert is right and Peak Oil is looming, then Peak Oil
drives long term planning. We can expect economic and social chaos.
Since our agriculture is largely petro-chemical based, even food
production and distribution will become a problem.

Perhaps Clinton and Gore were left out of the loop because they could
not be trusted to understand "realities" and "necessities" as an oil
insider could.

Condi Rice is a fine example of someone with the necessary
enculturation: Her background as a Soviet expert during the last
cold-war days taught her to talk in "wink-wink" double-speak that
bypassed the real facts and the real motivations.

While Clinton may have had some nat'l security background (maybe the
Mena Arkansas drug flights when he was governor were real, and maybe
they were CIA-sponsored) he was still naive enough to order the CIA to
kill Osama bin Laden. Maybe there was a lot going on that he was not
told about.