There are children at this site. Could we watch our language?

[Thomas Jefferson]

It's bad enough that the Republicans use language like the "F" (not fraud) word and "MF" around kids. We don't need to stoop to their level. It would also be preferable if threads with foul language in the title were deleted.

[cyr330]

1. No

We'd be just as candy assed as the repukes who flip out over the sight of a bare breast or an off-color word. People can just get over it.

[genius]

52. I don't know any Dems who use bad language around kids. Count the freeper

participants in this discussion.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. No thanks.

They can scroll past the posts that use those words.

[TrueAmerican]

3. I have been saying that for years

Looks like the MFer will never stop using the f'ing bad language. ;)

[Shopaholic]

4. Fuck no. Sorry.

I'm still using my free speech rights, thank you very much.

[cally]

5. I don't believe that all discourse should be

OK for children. The last thing I worry about for children is foul language. We have so many other concerns.

[Kber]

91. Cally - that's a really good point!

Hell of a lot easier to explain to my 7 year old that "Fuck" is a grown up word that we use, he doesn't, expecially at school or around my mother in law that it is to discuss graphic war casualities, reproductive freedom (in detail) or other "grown up topics" discussed here.

It may not always be necessary to use "blue" language to make a point, it is sometimes is!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. Well, Tom...

I would have to say that if there ARE children at this site, their attendance is not entirely appropriate. Now, I am all for civic conciousness being taught to children just as soon as they show an interest. That is a great thing when a child shows such an interest and aptitude. We need more of that.

But, that said, the intended audience here IS adults and a lot of those adults tend to blow off a little steam, as is appropriate when you consider the times in which we live.

So, no, I don't think that a new spirit of censorship is either necessary or needed here. What I would suggest is that parents treat DU as an adult-oriented site.

On the other hand, I have known a lot of kids who have a far..."richer" command of colloquialism, color and invective than I have ever had and will ever have. ;-)

[212demop]

40. Beautifully fucking stated!

[xultar]

86. Absofuckinglutely n/t

[ulysses]

134. hah! no shit.

On the other hand, I have known a lot of kids who have a far..."richer" command of colloquialism, color and invective than I have ever had and will ever have.

My kids at school would curl Tom's hair. :D

[Cats Against Frist]

7. Language is only vulgar if you decide to make it vulgar

so don't make it vulgar, and it's only offensive if you decide to be offended. OOOOOO zzzzzap -- look at that! You just took power away from someone who wants to lord over you, and/or became a person with a strong backbone. Isn't it wonderful? Sorry, I'm not your PC kind of liberal.

And I'm a writer. And I use ALL the words. I also consider my posts to be my own sort of artistic liberty. It's refreshing that language isn't censored over here like the preschool that we call Free Republic -- where they rail over liberal PC, but censor posts because of language. Brilliant.

[Brundle_Fly]

47. I will try to replace my rather constant

swearing in outrage to a minimum, but not because I feel like I am censored, or am offending anybody, but just because I don't use that language when I talk normally.

I will replace my outraged swearing with %$&$^*$% until I am beyond anger again.

So %^(*& the bozo's that want to $#(*&#$ your $#(%&* #($# $, and never forget to #$(*&* with a $#()%*()$ from behind as you #($*$#(%* their $#()*$#( into their throats.

[genius]

53. I count about a dozen people who should be spayed or neutered

so that they will treat kids with the kind of respect Democrats usually exhibit. I wouldn't be surprised if infiltrators are just trying to make us look bad and we are allowing them to do just that.

[dogman]

8. Is Michael Powell retiring?

Looking to take his job?

[Mojambo]

9. No can do.

Sorry.

You could inquire as to the feasibility of a DU Group forum specifically for kids though.

[Cheswick2.0]

10. I know it gets pretty bad and I get your point

I am probably one of he worst offenders, but I do understand.

However I don't see it ever happening. Politics is a very heated topic for all of us right. I just don't think you can control what people say here as far as bad language.

[Atman]

16. Hey, cool paperclip avatar!

Nice job!



Solidarity Clip Stickers

[Cheswick2.0]

26. Thanks...It's amazing what you can find with two minutes and a google

tool bar. :7

[Johnny B. Goode]

11. I'm 15

and I don't really mind.

[Make7]

25. Be quiet now and let the grown-ups decide.....

what's best for you not to hear.

<end sarcasm>

If someone is interested enough in politics to hang out here, they are old enough to see and use colorful language. (When their parents aren't around, at least.) And probably have quite a vocabulary already.

:) Make7

BTW - Welcome to DU, Johnny B. Goode. (Hey, that's not a very young sounding name. Are you playing with us?)

[xultar]

136. BUHWawawawaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! n/t

[Generator]

12. I watch my language all the time, it just won't behave but it would

behoove you. Behoove is nasty, doncha think?

[Somawas]

13. Not my problem

I didn't fuck any of their mothers.

[jimshoes]

14. There is nothing like a well placed cuss word

for emphasis. No problems using them when I feel the need, so no.

[MatrixEscape]

15. Teach children

to get over word magic! They are just words. It is your intention, and how and where and when you use them that has any import.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never do anything but offend someone who can't handle symbolic expression.

Vulgarity is an Elitist concept, from what I understand: "Of the commmon people". Fuck that! Fuck the censorship which goes along with that.

Besides, "fuck" is a very versitile word and I have never seen it hurt anyone physically. WHen you see a vulgar word start doing something violent, let me know.

"Bush" on the other hand is a word of mass destruction, (WMD) that is actually doing a lot of real harm.

[Mutley]

130. amen! n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

17. sure, lets just dumb everything down

to levels acceptable to a 6 year old. That ought to help getting our message across to the morons, idiots, and imbeciles that make up a majority of the red zone states.

Just kidding. Fuck no im not going to clean up my language. Thanks for asking though.

[Ducks In A Row]

18. nope.

[necso]

19. It's better than it used to be

in this regard (in my opinion -- and with the notable exception of this thread).

The moderators have a hard enough job, and I don't think that policing this sort of language should be added to it -- ignoring issues of "free speech". Members are therefore to be left to their own "judgment". (I thought that there was a rule related to this -- something about "excessive" -- but I was unable to find it now.)

Personally, I have been trying to be more careful about my language. However, at times, I find it impossible to avoid certain strong (and commonplace) usages.

And there are often other grounds on which to "alert" offensive posts.

[JI7]

20. fuck that

[Bouncy Ball]

21. In life, there is both the sacred and the profane.

It's probably better if children don't lurk at DU. Their parents need to be more responsible and make sure they don't.

As far as teenagers go, I'm sure their innocent eyes can handle the occasional curse word, LOL!

[njdemocrat106]

22. In the real world, I usually watch what I say

Here on the Internet, I just write down whatever comes to mind, and if it includes a few cuss words, so be it.

[Blue_Roses]

23. this is one site that shouldn't have "children"

adult conversation--whatever happened to that...

[JohnOneillsMemory]

116. Disagree. Kids need to learn what is REALLY obscene, violence-not words.

Sheltering kids from the world is how we get fascists in the White House and Congress.

I had my mind permanently opened at age 6 when I saw a friend's father's WWII photo album of concentration camps he helped liberate.

The sooner kids learn the truth, the more immune from bullshit they are.

PROTECT OUR CHILDREN >>FROM-REPEAT>>FROM CENSORSHIP.

[zulchzulu]

24. I'm for not using obscenities in the thread title

I thought that was DU policy.

Although I cuss in some comments I make, not using obscenities is much more challenging and usually more literate.

[The Flaming Red Head]

27. Fuck is a part of my word food group (healthy slang vocabulary diet)

Saying Fuck is necessary for my continued well being. Send the kids to bed or tell them it's just a fucking word.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

28. I know that there are children here

and if they can't handle the way I arrainge letters on the page, they should just go back to freerepublik!

[gordianot]

29. Thomas have you looked at the words some kids use on the Internet?

They discuss things I had no clue about until I was in my mid twenties. I have not lived a sheltered life. From some of the things my daughter has voluntarily shown me on the Internet I would say the language here is mild.

I refuse to put filters on her computer, she at 13 is much more mature and shows far better judgment than I had a similar age.

For about a week after November 2 my language was foul. There are a lot of people here (like me) in bad humor and use this forum to vent. What I have seen the moderators show good judgment for the more extreme incidents.

[Stand and Fight]

30. Yeah sure

I'll be a God-damn motherfucker if my ass every stops using hell-bent shit-inspired language unless the asshole Republicans and their Chimperor stop their no-good low-brow dirty tricks.

ON EDIT: Good grief.... Does some totalitarian always have to show up and try to put the ducks in a row? Let the bloody damn ducks quack, quack, quack!!!!

QUACK, QUACK!!!

In short, not no, but HELL NO.

:hippie:

[hyphenate]

31. They say that New Englanders

have the best command of colorful language. I tend to swear like a longshoreman sometimes, and when I choose to emphasize something it often works best to use a striking word that carries a modicum of weight. Most of us here prefer to exercise our first amendment rights as much as possible, as long as we've GOT those rights. During the next four years. I am sure those rights will be challenged, and we had all better be prepared for that day when we lose the ability to say what we want to say with whatever phrasing we choose to use.

[IndianaGreen]

32. Who are you? Lynne Cheney or Tipper Gore?

The two "cultural values crusaders" of 2000!

HOLLYWOOD SNAPS BACK AT GOP/DEMO CULTURE CRUSADE

Lynne Throws A Fit, McCain Has Doubts, Gore Takes The Money. It's all part of an election year where civil liberties and state-church separation are under attack by political groups on both sides of the ideological divide.

Web Posted: September 20, 2000

In the wake of threats by Vice President Al Gore to impose sanctions on the entertainment industry for allegedly marketing certain videos and other entertainment to kids, Hollywood movers-and-shakers finally began speaking out against what some described as a wave of new McCarthyism. Key Democrats and Republicans -- from Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman to Lynne Cheyney, wife of Republican vice presidential hopeful Dick Cheney -- have spent much of the past two weeks accusing the entertainment industry of promoting violence, blasphemy and antifamily values.

"I think it's a bunch of weasels scrambling for votes," groused Larry Kasanoff of Threshold Entertainment, the company behind much-maligned video games like Mortal Kombat and Duke Nukem. He told the New York Times that a recent study by the Federal Trade Commission about marketing of violent films to children had become a "headline-grabbing political pile-on" according to reporter Rick Lyman.

"I think that what they're doing is reprehensible," said Kasanoff. "What they should be doing is focusing on why there is less of a family structure in America today. Instead they attack us. These guys attack the easy issue because the hard issue doesn't make for such big headlines.."

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/elec18.htm

[NuttyFluffers]

33. internet filters, find them, use them, celebrate. end of discussion. n/t

[msongs]

34. 100,000+ civilians have been murdered in Iraq by the USA...is this

considered to be profanity? Probably not.

Msongs
Riverside Ca

Liberal t shirts at
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[leftofthedial]

35. we should just teach abstinence

just say no

[driver8]

36. Sorry dude...no can do... n/t

[St. Jarvitude]

37. Oh, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!?!

Gee :eyes:

I don't think there's anyone around here who's under 12... and if they haven't heard "naughty words" by that age, then there are more problems in their life than being "exposed" to the occasional "fuck" "shit" or "ass".

You seem to think that kids will be better off if they're "shielded" from the real world. So I guess they'll take the bombshell that hits them at age 18 that life isn't all rosy and peachy real well, right? :eyes:

Take your self-righteous attitude somewhere else.

[UpsideDownFlag]

38. 'fuck' is part of my freedom of speech. try controlling what your kids...

see while online, perhaps?

[Clarkie1]

39. I am sympathetic to your point...read on

Except when someone, I don't know, smears Wes Clark for example.

Then I must, as Wes put it when asked what he would do if the Republicans tried to smear him like they did McCain:

"We'll beat the shit out of them" - Wes Clark

There is a time and a place for everything. I don't like to see foul language overused because then it loses it's usefulness in the rare instances it is called for and lowers the civility of the discourse.

Nevertheless, this is a free site and it is the parent's responsibility to filter what words they see on their computer screen, not mine.

The first ammendment wins here, my friend.

[ComerPerro]

41. Thomas Jefferson is telling me what I can and can not say

Let me just soak that in for a while.

[karlrschneider]

43. Good point.

:D

[genius]

54. Tom's talking about children. The gov't could close down this site

for the language.

[WilliamPitt]

68. Oh bullshit

[ElsewheresDaughter]

112. genius ....hahaha HeHeHe HOHOHO>>> "the gov't could close down this site"

you're very funny...or related to Powell?

[Der Blaue Engel]

121. Yeah, you're a fucking genius.

:P

[Dinger]

74. What Are The "7 Words"?

I think this was on the Howard Stern movie, or was it George Carlin?
I think the last three were: dick, pussy, snot

What'd I forget?

[Kingshakabobo]

81. It was George Carlin

Shit, Piss, Fuck, Cunt, Cocksucker, Motherfucker and... Tits.

[kmla]

96. He later amended the list...

... adding fart, turd, and twat.

FYI.

:)

[karlrschneider]

42. Any children participating here are smart enough to know and understand

expletives. Why are you so worried?

[fujiyama]

44. The idea

is pretty fuckin hilarious!

Waaaaah! Mommy Mommy, I heard a bad word that was said by at least twenty other kids at school today!

[Spiffarino]

45. It's a nice thought

But no.

I have a nine-year-old daughter whom I love more than life itself. I don't want her to use foul language, but I see no need to "protect" her from the world, either. I've seen too many sheltered kids turn bad as soon as they were let loose. No thanks.

[tokenlib]

46. Bad language is the least of our problems....

Yeah, it would be nice if we watch our language--and I could use a lot of soap in my mouth these days too. But there are a lot bigger problems facing us right now---and when you're really pissed off the foul language flows rather profusely.

[T Town Jake]

48. I understand the sentiment, but...

...this isn't a Sunday school class. It's a site for those who are serious about politics - a heated subject under the best of circumstances. The language is sometimes going to reflect the way adults often talk when they are passionate or angry or otherwise stirred up about important issues. The last thing we need, IMHO, is some kind of Profanity Police running around on a Progressive website lecturing people on their language like a Fundy at an ice cream social. Just my two (non-profane) cents.

[Forkboy]

49. lol....well,so much for that idea

[boi1946]

50. No!

[shugah]

90. just want to interrupt the thread for a minute to say

hi boi! welcome to DU :hi: one of my sons is boi - and your name brought a smile! haven't heard "boi" in years!

[boi1946]

104. Hi--

Yep, born here, and the way I'm going, likely to die here. I don't think I could ever live too far from the water.

[JVS]

51. FUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKK NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Tsiyu]

55. This is an ADULT forum

I wouldn't let my eleven year-old surf here alone. And you shouldn't let your kids surf unsupervised.

I come here to vent, not to babysit your kid.

[erniesam]

56. I like the fuck word . . . almost as much as the asshole word

[OneBlueSky]

57. there are some things to which "Fuck!" is the only proper response . . .

George W. Bush is one of them . . .

[Kenneth ken]

58. it's all text

and some graphics. How can we NOT watch our language?

:D

I would worry more about how some of the spelling around here impacts impressionable minds, than I would about word choice. But that's what the Admins added spell-check for - they are so good to us!

[Cronus Protagonist]

59. Why should "the children" not see certain words?

And are you planning on maintaining the official banned word list, by any chance?

Here's my input on your proposal. FUCK THAT!

Clear?

[Swamp Rat]

60. Why do you want the next generation of children to become brainwashed?

Your arbitrary application of a construct to certain words will NOT restrict my freedom of speech.

F U C K that!

You should change your screen name to William Bennett.

[DeepModem Mom]

61. I'm an adult, and I get annoyed at so many 4-letter words in subject lines

Not a moral judgment, just an opinion. It cheapens and diminishes our discussion, and our board, IMO.

[Pepperbelly]

62. Tom Jefferson for censorship?

Say it ain't so.

[sendero]

63. I have yet.....

.... to understand how a "bad word" hurts children. The "for the children" argument is so often abused by the right that I can't hear it any more.

Plus let me say this. I don't know how old you are, but on the schoolyard things are not what they once were. Kids in elementary school know more colorful language than I did in high school.

Is that "good"? Not really. Is it the cause of societal rot? No, it is merely a symptom, and it takes a total back seat to the worse rot of "I've got mine and everyone else is a loser and can go to hell" mentality that PERVADES our culture and especially youth culture.

Want to rail on something rail on that.

[Puglover]

64. Hey Tom

ummm let me think about this for a minute====>Fuck no! How could I do without one of the most versatile words in the English languege...Fuck can be used as a verb, adjective, descriptive adjective, noun and I'm sure many others. Babysit your kids, not my job.

[Runcible Spoon]

94. didya know that "fuck" is the only example of an infix in English??

as in "abso-fucking-lutely"!!

[thinkingwoman]

65. oh PULEEEEEZE

Stop pretending like they don't hear those words other places.

Besides, as I have told my children for almost 20 years now....

there are no bad words, only bad people.

[Bridget Burke]

66. Overusing certain words makes them lose impact.

I try to save my obscenity, profanity, scatology & just plain vulgarity for special occasions. But that's a matter of taste.

DU is not intended for children. Parents can't prevent their little darlings from knowing certain words exist. Training in good manners should include adjusting one's language to avoid giving offense. Of course, it's quite possible to offend people by using words of four syllables instead of four letters; and it's more fun.

Here's a site that shares your concerns: www.afa.net/

[AusTexDem]

67. This isn't DisneyUnderground.

[Rockholm]

69. Sorry Pal, this IS AMERCA. We can say what we want.

If you want cute and scrubbed language, go watch PAX.

[leesa]

70. No, I don't think so.

[OnionPatch]

71. Wow

I'd love to know what sort of child hangs around a political message forum.

[otohara]

115. Me Too - Come Out, Come Out - Kids of DU

I saw there was 5 High Schoolers in the DU Members (College Group) The youngsters hanging about on DU are the progressive/liberal future. They will not be puritans, I would hope!

[11 Bravo]

72. In the immortal words of Redd Foxx ..

If you ain't ever fucked ... Shit! And if you ain't ever shit ... FUCK!!!

[Forkboy]

111. LMAO

I miss ole Redd :)

[AmerDem]

73. If children are here

they shouldn't be. The last I heard it was the responsibility of the parent to watch over and supervise their child on what and what not to watch and read. This site is geared towards a voting adult public.

[MsAnthropy]

75. Fuck no!

You're in the wrong place Tom.

[Catchawave]

76. This is NOT a children's forum....

While I appreciate your concern about the Cheney-word, is it possible you block this site with your Net Nanny? If you find it offensive, may I recommend AOL message boards where freedom of speech is TOSable.

[AmandaRuth]

77. Here, now

we NEED younger dems on here!!!! They are the future of our country, and if some of them are educated, we'll have fewer problems 20 years down the road!!! Bye, I gotta go catch the school bus now.

MiniAmandaRuth

[rman]

78. You think DU moderators are irresposible?

the mods take care of anyone here breaking the rules.
you disagree with the rules? talk to DU staff.

[AntiCoup2K4]

79. Yo, Tommy Freeperson, this is just for you!

MR. GARRISON: Okay, children, let’s take our seats. We have a lot to learn today. We sure do, Mr. Hat. Okay, children, let’s start the day with a few new math problems. What is five times two?…C’mon children, don’t be shy. Just give it your best shot. Yes, Clyde?

CLYDE: Twelve?

MR. GARRISON: Okay. Now let’s try to get an answer from someone who’s not a complete retard. Anyone?…Come on, don’t be shy.

KYLE: I think I know the answer, Mr. Garrison.

CARTMAN:

KYLE: Shut-up, fatboy!

CARTMAN: ‘ey! Don’t call me fat, you fuckin’ Jew!

MR. GARRISON: Eric! Did you just say the F-word?

CARTMAN: "Jew"?

KYLE: No, he’s talkin’ about "fuck." You can’t say "fuck" in school, you fuckin’ fatass.

MR. GARRISON: Kyle!

CARTMAN: Why the fuck not?

MR. GARRISON: Eric!

STAN: Dude, you just said "fuck" again!

MR. GARRISON: Stanley!

KENNY: Fuck.

MR. GARRISON: Kenny!

CARTMAN: What’s the big deal? It doesn’t hurt anybody. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.

MR. GARRISON: How would you like to go see the school counselor?

CARTMAN: How would you like to suck my balls?

KIDS:

MR. GARRISON: What did you say?

CARTMAN: Oh, I-I’m sorry, I’m sorry. Actually, what I said was: "How would you like, to suck my balls, Mr. Garrison?"

KYLE: Holy shit, dude.

[LibDemAlways]

80. What kids are exposed to daily

among their friends and on the radio and tv is as profane as anything I've seen on DU.

I'm not talking about pre-schoolers or young elementary school kids, who wouldn't be on DU anyhow. I'm talking about middle-school aged and up.

As much as I'd like to "protect" my 11-year-old, she's now heard it all thanks to Usher, Outkast, Eminem, etc. Where does she hear the stuff? At her school on Fridays during lunch when a student DJ plays the hits.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

82. Free Speech. Get used to it.

There are many, many Web Sites for "the kids" all over "the internets."

This may not be one of them. C'est la vie.

[Cocoa]

83. worst suggestion ever

what are you on, that you'd make this ridiculous request?

[Guarionex]

84. Um...screw the children

This is a board for adults...be a responsible parent/guardian and keep the kiddies on Disney.com or off the computer...go play basketball with them, like my daddy did with me.

[NoSheep]

85. You're out of line!

Cuss words ain't shit! Most children, who are raised properly, know when and when not to use what you may term "foul" language. Get real-kids are going to say and do what they want behind your back. As long as they don't behave in a way as to ruin their little reputations in their communities-why do you really care what words they use or hear? Cuss words are a colorful part of our language-and usually never mean anything foul when used in context. As in "Shit Yeah!" or "I don't give a fuck!" "Damn Straight" etc.
Kids who are taught the reasons why we behave one way socially and perhaps another in private, should understand. I really don't see that you have to teach a kid that really. They should observe this in you as an example. So-I think you are worrying too much about the effect these words may have on a child-unless you're raising yours in a closet. Then, it is you who need to reevaluate your parenting.:+

[rolleitreks]

87. I usually stop reading when the obscenities begin piling up.

It usually means the post is just a rant. I don't waste time on rants.

[clintonlover]

88. SORRY...I luv to fucking curse...

[Kitka]

89. There should not be children at this site. I vote no.

[southpaw]

92. Piss off, Jefferson, you slave owning Virginia aristocrat!

Edited to add a quote from my favorite philosopher:

"Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, mother-fucker, tits! Fart. Turd. Twat."

-George Carlin

[Runcible Spoon]

93. Like Kleeb?? LOL. No fucking way.

it is up to parents to police their children. I assume most DU parents are good parents and therefore decide what is/isn't appropriate for their children. IMHO most children who are mature enough to read political wesbites can handle some naughty language. And if Freeplets find their way here, fuck their sensitive sensibilities. Net Nannies here have already gotten rid of sex threads, what the fuck else do you want???

[DemBones DemBones]

95. Well, Tom, as soon as my daughter went to public school,

she came home asking me what F-U-C-K meant. It was on the bathroom wall. In a K-3 school. Think about that: a K-3 school. Apart from teachers and other staff, no one there should have been over 9 years old.

Daughter is now 35, you do the math. Back in the Ozzie and Harriet days, I learned the F word about 1956-57, when I was 9 or 10. I was at ballet class and it was on the bathroom wall in the auditorium. I vaguely remember some adults making a flap over it. Maybe I only paid attention because they made a flap over it?

[Pathwalker]

97. Bush, Dick and Colon - bad words or bad people?

Or the three most powerful men in America? If you let your children onto this site, then AFAIAC - YOU are responsible for ALLOWING your children to see these boogey words you so despise. Why blame DU for YOUR lack of parenting? Your children are YOUR responsibility, not ours!

Get a fucking filter!

[Batgirl]

98. TJ -- knickers in a twist over DU "foul language"

and it's affect on the children, meantime T.J. jr, during homeroom, burns another CD adding to his vast collection of internet porn.

[welshTerrier2]

99. look, mr. rogers ...

put on your sweater and your slippers and go read a story to your children ...

i want you to know that i actually appreciate what you're trying to accomplish ... i think there should be an age appropriate place kids can go and read about progressive ideas ... but it is not a progressive idea to impose language restrictions on adults ... maybe DU could host a "kids forum" that would include a language nanny to protect kids from the evils contained in the real world ...

[Stephanie]

100. It sure would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship, wouldn't it?

Just so long as you were the dictator?

Why are you attempting to order everybody else around?

[ibegurpard]

101. If a child is old enough to be surfing the net unsupervised

he or she is old enough to be able to deal with seeing profanity.

[freelight]

102. Priorities.

Ignoring for a moment that censorship is at the heart of conservativism, things like war, violent crime, disease, poor healthcare, poor housing, poverty, bigotry, and fear-mongering are all very much unsuitable for children. If "bad language" was among the biggest threats to our children's well-being, the world would be a much better place.

[yorgatron]

103. welcome to DU freelight!

[robbedvoter]

105. Uh, maybe we should only allow reading after 10 PM?

What else would be preferable, dear?
PS When Clinton offered you guys the V chip, none of you bought it. because after all, you only wanted to force US to get it.
Then, you started airing all the Starr porno all over the place and yell: "But what will we tell the children?"
So, tell ya what: you take care of your children, I'll take care of mine.
We'll see which grows up more fucked up (hint: they learn from example, not from lectures)

[gottaB]

106. Sure

I will not say that I will completely refrain from using offensive words, but I will consider your admonition. Thank you.

[Uzybone]

107. Foul language in titles I can agree, edit them

but the rest of the muthafucking goddamned thread? No fucking way!

[robbedvoter]

108. I know some kids who have their own penises though....can they read?

[mtnsnake]

109. Vulgar language is what first attracted me to this place

Tom, the people here are all smart enough that they don't use the words fuck, asshole, or whatever in such a way that they come off as being obscenely pornographic about it or anything so stop being such a prude.

Besides, it's not the adults you've gotta worry about; it's the kids.....most of whom can make any one of us look like a fucking priest when it comes to swearing.

[LibertyorDeath]

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If they are "Children" they should not be on this site without an adults guidance. There are HORRIFIC Pictures of the Results of Bush's** invasion of Iraq. Iraqi Women Men & Children Blown to bits Incinerated Decapitated clutching their dead parent for safety.
Marines lying dead in the streets of Baghdad or severely injured.
It's Horrific any "child" at this site should Be supervised by an Adult this is not the Fucking Disney Channel.

Now Teenagers? Any adult that is under the impression that a teenager in 2004 is not intimately acquainted with the word Fuck is DELUSIONAL.

It's pretty Fucking forward of you try and curtail my freedom of expression with less than 100 Fucking posts

I have one word for you oh make that 2

[Forkboy]

113. And it looks like the results are in!!

And barring a recount and fraud I'd say your idea has met with an overwhelming defeat.

I'd say we have a mandate to swear :D

[Cuban_Liberal]

114. Waaaa, waaaaaaa, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

It's called free speech, and the sooner the kiddies learn how to deal with it, the better.

:eyes:

[RetroLounge]

117. Bullshit

RL

[Quill Pen]

118. Goebbels once said...

...and I paraphrase this, because I don't have the exact quote handy at the moment, but basically what he said was, "you can get away with stripping away virtually any kind of rights as long as you say you're doing it in the name of the children."

So the answer to your question is a big, fat negatory from me.

If there are children on DU, it should be under parental supervision, as with all the child's activity on the Internet. Like a super-computer-geek friend of mine once said, "I don't understand why parents would allow their young kids to surf around the Internet unsupervised. They wouldn't let them wander around some strange, enormous city without protection, direction and supervision. It's basically the same thing."

If you've chosen to have children, limiting what they see in the media is your responsibility, not the rest of the world's.

[robbedvoter]

123. South park expounded on it with: "You don't hate children, do you?"

as incentive to conform(and using kids in the commercial)

[SemperEadem]

119. TROLL

interesting that you can't even be bothered to defend your viewpoint..

[Poor Richard Lex]

125. I love DU - you guys are GREAT!!

great responses to this red herring argument

and to the troll that started this - if DU is so "vulgar" maybe you should just keep your kids away from it, right? IT's caled BEING A PARENT. Do you go to porn sites and tell them to put on clothes because kids may be watching? No, you keep your kids away from it.

Now get in your SUV and go back to the mall, freeper.

[JohnKleeb]

120. Cursing is a way of life

and I am one of those "children", I am 17, and Ive been cursing for the longest time.

[The Straight Story]

122. what is wrong with our language? (please read on)

When I was in 3rd grade (back in the 70's) I remeber sitting with my friend david in the grass and saying every cuss word know to man. His folks were getting divorced, not as common in those days. To me such words were not to be used all the time, only on special ocassions.

To me, in a sense now, such things were actually good - ie, certain words were not part of the overall speech unless so warranted as to convey a larger meaning/emotion.

In that vein I agree that maybe they are overused at times here. They lose their luster and just become common phrases. On the other hand many here are at different levels of emotions and may have reached their own personal plateau within the language they possess (with regards to conveying something).

I would hope that we could convey things in a less emotional way and more in an analysis way using strict language, but to each their own.

I think in some ways, while this board is not for kids, we should be a little more friendly to them in this vein (ie, showing them maybe a better way of expressing themselves and dealing with problems) but I don't own the board or make the rules.

Perhaps suggest a forum for kids? I dunno, but understand your concerns and in no way am trying to belitte them - the thing about progressives is we listen (or should) before we ridicule ;)

[zulchzulu]

124. Using more 'artistic" words than vulgarity makes a much better statement

Instead of using "fuck" such as we are "fucked", use "exploited".

Instead of using "bitch" such as Ann Coulter is a "bitch", use "cross-eyed, hate-filled wench".

See what I'm sayin', motherfucker?

[Name removed]

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[Nimble_Idea]

127. what the fuck are you talking about? I think your just making flamebait

first, what fucking kid would be here? 7 year old trying to discover America? wtf?

The only Kids at fucking DU are the bloody pictures in the desert

some people have some fucking nerve.

Maybe we should also start the DU church of Falwell........

....
.......WHAT.........THE........FUCK........

[llpoperations]

128. Mr Jefferson

Words are not dangerous. They have no intrinsic power until you invest them with it.

How can a word be "foul"? It can't. It becomes that way only in the minds of certain listeners.

Suck it up, and teach your children that "Fuck" isn't nearly as foul as "napalm", or "genocide" or a whole host of other words which represent things which should never have come into existence.

[Carolina]

129. Oh puhleeze!

Take a fucking walk around any fucking middle or high school in the fucking USA, you'll fucking hear a lot fucking worse.

With only 97 fucking posts and no fucking donations, I don't fucking think you should be even daring to come fucking here and try to fucking censor us. This is NOT a fucking children's forum and we'll fucking say whatever the fuck we fucking please. So what the fuck about that don't you fucking understand or if you don't fucking like it, well thanks to the fucking vice president, you can fucking go Cheney yourself.

Actually, this was quite a fucking fun exercise in seeing how many fucking times I could fucking use the word fuck in a single fucking post.

[Mutley]

131. sorry...

this forum is for adults...

and kids hanging around in a political forum are probably smart enough to know all the good cuss words anyway...

perhaps a DU Kiddie Forum?

[uppityperson]

132. you guys are too fucking funny

[shanti]

133. fuuuuuuck NO!

n/t

[DemoTex]

135. Don Knotts said it best on the Steve Allen Show:

NOOP!

[spanone]

137. Shirley, you jest.

[BlackVelvet04]

138. What are children doing at this site?

I'm sorry but this isn't an appropriate site for children. I have to say that I'm so siiiiiiiiiick of everything having to be child appropriate.

[Outrider]

139. I'll only use the language I'd use around 8 yr old half sister

Which is just about anything. Vulgarities are only a problem with children when they are taught that they are dirty and not to be used.

[Book Lover]

140. Cuss words are maybe the only thing Red and Blue have in common

other than the need to eat and breathe.

I see no need to alter my behavior because you are uncomfortable about what it *might* do to a theoretical child who doesn't even belong here. That's like saying "No drinking" in a bar.

[datasuspect]

141. hey while we're at it

let's go ahead and delete threads that you disagree with.

anything else?

[Moderator]

142. Well, seeing as how the originator just laid this one out

to see who would jump in , and then LEFT completely, perhaps the language was not such a problem for him after all :)

We'll lock this puppy in the kennel now :)