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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 04:57 PM Original message |
Moderates: does the party need the left? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. yes we do |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm weary to generalize |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. there are always exceptions... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm still weary to accept what you say |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Well, how about two prime examples? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. When asked by pollsters, I've always claimed to be a moderate |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Generally, the scale I use is one between pure socialist/pure capitalist |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. But historically... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. But Clinton was a charismatic personality, though |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Agreed about Dean SUPPORTERS, but not really about Dean himself. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Exactly... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I recognized an electability factor in Dean |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I agree he was "smeared" as a leftist by the media and the GOP... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. many? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. BINGO! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. oh, yeah... many |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. perhaps so. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. I think too much credit is given to the DLC... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. that wasn't the question, though. |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 09:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Dean described himself as a conservative in college. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. what do you mean "supposed" opposition? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 06:24 AM Response to Reply #49 |
67. he wasn't against the war |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Your 'discussion' seems to include calling those on the left 'looney'... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. BINGO! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Yeah, and yours includes calling moderates "fascists" and "republicans" |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. BULLSHIT! Without the left, the DNC would've had NO MONEY! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Are you kidding? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. so... they've been elected where? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Illinois, for one |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Obama is a moderate |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. That's the biggest load of shit I've ever seen on DU |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Obama is very liberal. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. They don't get much more liberal than Obama |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Absolutely. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. George Lakoff helped |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Oh, I noticed. |
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ThorsHammer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Obama also has a ton of moderate/Republican appeal |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. According to On the Issues |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. What you;ve shown is I was correct |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I've agreed with you partially |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. A good number of DFA-supported candidates won |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Uhh The DNC themselves just sent us an email stating that the |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Yep, WE BOUGHT IT, WE OWN IT! |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. no need to apologize - it was a pointed question |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. agreed... |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. heh - I guess I've been around long enough |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. I don't remember ever calling a DLCer a 'fascist'... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Listening to some of the DLC posters here, no they don't |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
15. Need? Yes. Want? No |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Yep, they want us to shut or mouths and keep our wallets open |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. In the words of the DLC, why they seek corporate funding. 2002 article |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. And the fact of the matter is, Corporatism = Neo-conservatism = |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. We have no difference over that |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. The DLC is 'progressive' as much as the Neocons are 'conservative'... |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
53. the party needs everyone |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 09:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Whining. Pissing matches. Sour grapes. |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. So Clinton was no better than Bush |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Whoa! Way to misrepresent what Q said |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. that vote worked great for the Nader backers |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 11:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Care to address my question? n/t |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-12-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I didn't see a question |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 01:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Smart aleck . Make that "Address my request for information" |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 05:26 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. "So Clinton was no better than Bush" |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
63. This thread has become a battle I don't want to join. |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 03:10 AM Response to Original message |
64. No left, no party |
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The Judged (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
65. Define "left." The Republican Lexicon defintion means left wing extremist! |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
68. They need each other, unless we want a RW government. |
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DeepGreen (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-13-04 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
69. The Party is the Left ! nt |
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