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Forever Free (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 03:57 AM Original message |
We need a "New Liberalism" that fights America's enemies decisively |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. Have conservatives "articulated with passion" THEIR vision... |
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mazzarro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yeah - "Peter Beinart " the neo-con in sheep clothing |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 05:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I agree... |
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Rockerdem (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
56. Peter Beinart is a pro-war whore |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. Fourth Generation warfare |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
5. Since when has the US ever been interested in fighting totalitarian Islam? |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 06:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. There are so many flawed assumptions |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. Borrowed rant |
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Placebo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. 'The Ref' |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. all that hyping of muscular, hard guntoting made me want to scream |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. It's both, one of my hubby's and my favorite movies. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. peter beinart = fraud |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. Wow. What breathtaking propaganda! |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
42. Have you read any of Beinart's work? He's a loathesome, Zell-like |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
10. You are disgustingly misrepresenting real liberals. |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I'll take your point a bit further |
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imsocoolerthanyou (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. blatant rip-off |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. since I have no clue who the person you mention is |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. No, he's saying the original post is a rip-off of Berman's pro-DLC |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Oops. Nothing to see here! Deleted. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
13. What we need is sleuth journalists. |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
14. How about a new liberalism that rejects Govt.-created Boogeymen? |
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hollowdweller (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. But I think militant fundamentalist Islam is a direct result of the US |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. All of these bizarre arguments stem from acceptance of Bush at his word. |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. They SAID |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:46 AM Response to Reply #16 |
44. Well said--"Bush at his word." |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Cut it out. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. The "New Liberalism" is old Republicanism - complete with bogeyman. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:39 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. You too. |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Neither of you are wrong |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. "terrorist-sympathizing"? How did you get that? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Al Qaeda is NOT a "bogeyman," as you called it. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. How do you propose "killing" them? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 07:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. It's not "adolescent." The causes should be addressed, |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Read a lot of Tom Clancy books? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Give me a fucking BREAK. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Been stoking up on your Testeronios? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Uh...just now. You were saying that we shouldn't go after |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I did? Show me where. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. You said: |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I'll stick with what you quoted. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. Actually, hunting down and killing terrorists in Israel HAS worked. |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Solid points! Couldn't agree more. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:43 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Right. Which is why the Bush administration always deals so agressively |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 07:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. That's my POINT! Are you reading what I'm saying?? nt |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. I gotcha and I totally agree. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. Well, I don't begrudge anyone calling Al Qaeda a boogeyman |
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Forever Free (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
20. A lot of you are missing the point |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. THAT IS NOT OUR FUCKING ARGUMENT. |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
38. And IF |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
45. For pity's sake--we as individuals are powerless at stopping Bin Laden. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
55. Bin Laden should never have been a threat |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
58. So... Only loonies think there is any threat from a |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
74. As the founding fathers warned, the greatest threats are within... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
77. Decline of State loyalty |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
21. nope. sorry. too much bullshit there. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
22. Orcinus's response to this |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-19-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. and damn nicely done, too. |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. I'll snip it |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. They're both saying liberals don't care about terrorism. |
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Forever Free (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
81. Glad to know that there are some sane people are there |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Excellent. I've had to stop reading New Republic since Beinart became |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
28. My main problem with this article. My country right or wrong attitude. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. That's his way of subtley whoring for the Bush administration |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Suckered into or misguided. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:16 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Nice post. nt |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
33. "We need a "New Liberalism" that fights America's enemies decisively" |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 08:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
47. I suspect there are some old Conservatives who would say exactly the same. |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
39. The RWinger's 'image' of 'strong on security' is all public relations... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
40. Beinart? No thanks--where's the "talk to the hand icon?" nt |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
49. So--which country should we invade next? |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
50. What a load of steaming DLC bullshit |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
52. Appears to me that most of Americas enemies |
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kamqute (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
53. The fact that you don't try and CRUSH something with a hammer.. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
59. Let's call a spade a spade: Fundamentalist Kooks are the problem. |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
60. Here's how liberals want to stop terrorism. |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 07:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. That's the problem... |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. become energy independent, force Israel and Palestine into peace and... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. We'd also better know damned well WHO we're hitting... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. YESSSS. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
73. We need to stop being told what we need |
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Forever Free (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
82. Al-Qaeda IS a threat, those that say otherwise are insanely naive |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. FACT: Al Qaeda was a creation of George Bush Sr's CIA |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. A threat that means invading and occupying Iraq? |
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Forever Free (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Yet again, you miss the point |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. But isn't the 'point' that there ISN'T a 'real war' against Al-Qaeda? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
85. We need some Old Liberalism to resolve this problem wisely. |
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