Am I the only one sick of Cindy Sheehan?

[lessthanjake]

I just read on a CNN ticker thing at the bottom of the screen that Cindy Sheehan is going to go to protest outside of Bush's ranch again at Thanksgiving. Am I the only one that is sick of her? She already performed her duty. Now she is compromising what she did by making herself look desperate to stay in the news. She needs to stop.

[Rick Myers]

1. Yes.

Yes you are.

[Bellamia]

8. I "second the motion".........

Yes, you are.

[rusty charly]

20. i love that she's going to crawford

for thanksgiving.

boy, the chimp has come quite a ways since TUUURKEEEEEE in iraq!

[fed-up]

70. Yes, I third the motion-Cindy stays as long as she wants n/t

[ClassWarrior]

198. I agree. I never tire of American citizens standing up and being heard.

Never Give Up, Cindy.

[calimary]

228. I fourth the motion. I am NOT tired of Cindy Sheehan. She STILL speaks

for me, and for everyone, everywhere, who wants this war stopped. She's paid a tremendous price and she is beyond reproach. Imagine - one mom is braver and has more spine than all the king's enablers and all the king's wimps. Moreso than a lot of our own Democrats, too, I might add. Some of them STILL have yet to be counted.

[ET Awful]

2. Whatever. Tell you what, when your child is killed for Bush's war, then

come talk to me about Cindy okay?

[YDogg]

7. Well said. She can do what she damn well pleases.

[Radio_Lady]

171. She's likely to get arrested that night. See this link:

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7001057563

Protesting Mom Will Spend Thanksgiving At Bush's Ranch

November 16, 2005 6:01 p.m. EST


Andrea Moore - All Headline News Staff Reporter

Crawford, TX (AHN) - Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey died in Iraq, plans to return to President Bush's ranch for Thanksgiving, despite a new ordinance banning roadside camping reports The Associated Press.

(More at link above...)

[lessthanjake]

173. Even worse

Even though the ordinance thatll get her arrested is just bullshit that was targeted to do just that to Sheehan, itll still be misinterpreted by many Americans to mean that she somehow broke a legit law.

[lessthanjake]

11. I supported what she did originally

but its getting to be too much now. We dont want her to be the face of the anti war movement.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

23. So what are you willing to do to keep the protest on the forefront?

Sit behind your keyboard in the comfort of your home or go out there and get arrested for civil disobedience? Don't complain without offering new ideas. At least make a donation to DU will ya?

[lessthanjake]

32. What are you talking about with civil disobedience?

Getting arrested just makes us look like a bunch of hooligans. I for one am an active blogger and forum poster who has gone to anti war rallies. I do as much as just about anyone else.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

41. If Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Harry Belafonte, and countless others are

hooligans for being arrested for civil disobedience I'd consider that good company.

[lessthanjake]

59. But what do normal Americans think of someone automatically when they

are arrested for civil disobedience. Ill tell you right now its not a positive thing.

[chalky]

73. "normal" Americans?

Huh.

[lessthanjake]

75. DU people arent the norm in America

We may be right but we arent the norm and we must realize that.

[chalky]

96. Ohhhhhhkay. Nuff said.

Aaaaaand I'm off to the next thread.


:hi: See ya.

[TK421]

140. Can I give you a warm, fuzzy welcome?

:toast: Can I, can I?

[Gemini Cat]

89. WTF?

What do your "normal" Americans think of losing their kid in this oily war?

[CanOfWhoopAss]

119. "Normal" Americans don't get it. You have to keep repeating yourself over

and over again. That's what the repukes do with their talking points. Have all of them repeat them on every show until you puke from BS. We get it a lot faster than they do. Half of "normal" americans may still not even know who Cindy is. Or they recognize the name but aren't sure why due to memory failure. Redundancy is key.

[lessthanjake]

122. Interesting point

But I think that people who dont know who she is wont find out at this point because shes only going to get less attention the second time.

[Clark2008]

160. Hooligans?

:rofl:

Watching too much corporate media, aren't you?

Seriously, the anti-war movement of the 60s and 70s was considered the same, but, eventually, they were proven correct.

I really don't care what people think, early on. Enough pressure means that people finally wake the fuck up.

[lessthanjake]

165. But I dont think violence is the way

Vietnam protestors WERE right but they didnt help themselves by being violent and neither will we help ourselves in that way.

[sandyd921]

175. Violent?

Civil disobedience involves nonviolent or passive resistance. It is anything but violent! That's what Cindy is doing and what most civil disobedience during Vietnam was about.

[lessthanjake]

177. Sorry that was a misspeak

Thats not what I meant. I meant breaking the law.

I accidently said violence when thinking about some of the Vietnam protests.

[ProudDad]

240. Viet-Nam era protesters were NOT Violent.

This is the kind of revisionist bullshit the right would like you to believe.

I was there, I know.

The FBI/Cointelpro fucks were violent. The agent provocateurs were violent. The red-necked assholes were violent (including to me personally). The COPS were violent (including to me personally). The National Guard was violent -- and deadly.

We were NOT violent.

But, with our non-violent pressure, WE ENDED NIXON'S FUCKING WAR!

[Flying Dream Blues]

Yep, I was thinking..."is that you, Bill?" nt

[radio4progressives]

176. sometimes you have to put your body on the line in order to make

a difference. That's the point in civil disobedience.

Rosa Parks did her act of disobedience.

Cindy Sheehan is honored and respected for what she has by done civil rights leaders in this country as well as the anti-war movement.

You sound kind of young... like you don't really understand how evil this war really is and that must be brought to end immediately.

If you did, it would seem to me that you would understand and know in your heart and soul what it means to really fight for something you believe in.

Cindy Sheehan is the shining beacon of light and she is a brave warrior in this struggle.

[lessthanjake]

179. You miss the point

The only way to get out of Iraq is to get the war to the lowest popularity possible. Anti war protestors getting arrested doesnt help that.

[TheCowsCameHome]

27. She's a mom that lost her boy - who better to speak from the heart?

[lessthanjake]

40. But she says stuff like

how she was willing to break her sons leg so that he didnt have to go to Iraq or get him to Canada. Thats not something you say in public and I am just worried that itll rub off on the entire anti war movement.

[radio4progressives]

167. give me a break. that's just poppycock! n/t

[lessthanjake]

169. Go to the link I just gave on a previous post above this.

[roguevalley]

31. if you took a show of hands, you didn't count me. Cindy Sheehan

with her actions tilted the juggernaut of nazism the other way and its led to right now, with all the things falling apart on the other side. I think Cindy can do what she wants and she represents truth to me. The effort to get our world back takes EVERYONE and Cindy Sheehan has the bonafides to represent the truth. Her boy is dead. She has the bonafides.

[tavalon]

38. Why do we not want her to be the face of the anti war movement?

She's done a fine job so far.

[lessthanjake]

60. She just says some off color things

like that she was willing to run over her son so that he wouldnt have to go to Iraq...

[tavalon]

69. Could you get me a citation for that one

And I would prefer that it not come from Drudge, Freerepublic or Jeff Gannon's website. ;)

[lessthanjake]

74. Meh I saw it on CNN a few weeks ago. She was talking to Anderson Cooper

[tavalon]

78. Hard copy citation please

[lessthanjake]

87. Argh I could find it as easily as you could at this point

But wait a second. I got lucky and found a source.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/29/1434216

"I begged Casey not to go. I told him I would take him to Canada. I told him I would run over him with a car,"

[tavalon]

99. So, seeing the quote not out of context

she was saying that she would help him acquire an injury that would help him avoid going to Iraq. That's a sentiment that would occur to any mother with a son who didn't want to go into that conflict. A number of soldiers have tried shooting themselves to avoid going to that hellhole. The full quote is listed below:


CINDY SHEEHAN: Right. Our family was against it from the beginning. Casey was against it, but he felt it was his duty to go because he was in the Army. And he felt that he had to go to protect his buddies, to be there for his buddies, to be support, and they are brainwashed into thinking that even if they don't agree with the mission, they're brainwashed into just blindly following it. I begged Casey not to go. I told him I would take him to Canada. I told him I would run over him with a car, anything to get him not to go to that immoral war. And he said, “Mom, I wish I didn't have to, but I have to go.”

[lessthanjake]

109. How does seeing the full quote change anything?

This is what I said originally:

"like that she was willing to run over her son so that he wouldnt have to go to Iraq"

And in fact she WAS willing to run over her son. Now that may be a sentiment that would occur to many people but its just an example of something shes said that cant go over well with a lot of people because its just a bit off color.

[tavalon]

120. Have you seen how you've struggled in this hostile environment

here? You don't have a popular view and some of the things you and others have said are less than helpful because you and they are human. Humans don't always communicate as well as they should. Even politicians don't always communicate as well as they should. Overall, she has been coherent and cogent and charismatic. I think that counts more than that she occasionally says something that doesn't go over as well as it could have.

[lessthanjake]

127. I dont know

I just think we would be better off with someone who doesnt slip up as much and someone a bit less niave.

[tavalon]

130. I think in this day and age of cynicism

It is that very quality that shot her to the top of the movement. People aren't just sick of the slick Rethug politicians, they are sick of the Democratic ones too.

[lessthanjake]

147. I disagree

Her drama filled story shot her to the top. Her naiveity has only hindered her in my view.

I think that Americans may be sick of politicians but they certainly would be more attracted to someone who is a bit more slick whether they admit it or not.

[chalky]

184. So the only reason she didn't run over her son was because she didn't have

the opportunity?

:rofl: Child, PLEASE.

[lessthanjake]

188. You manipulate what I said

Besides thats not the point. The point is that she says off color things.

[chalky]

195. Dear....YOU manipulated what SHE said. Sucks to be on the receiving end,

doesn't it?

[lessthanjake]

200. I didnt at all manipulate what she said

Please explain what you mean by that cause to me it just looks like you wanted to give me a bit of a parry. I didnt manipulate what she said in any way. Read the quote and read what I said about it. They match.

[chalky]

206. You mean where you manipulated the meaning of what she said, turning it

into something sinister?
How about:

"how she was willing to break her sons leg so that he didnt have to go to Iraq or get him to Canada. Thats not something you say in public and I am just worried that itll rub off on the entire anti war movement."

[LittleClarkie]

242. Hmm. Let me try substituting something else in that sentence

"Tell you what, when you've been the President of the United States, come talk to me about Dubya, okay?"

Is anyone above criticism?

Just to be clear I'm not criticizing Cindy, just standing up for someone else's right to criticism.

That said, this is all pretty pointless. Like any of us have any say whatsoever regarding what Cindy does and how the media will cover her. Love her, hate her, don't give a damn about her, this will play out the way it's going to play out pretty much without us.

[SoFlaJet]

3. That sentiment will go over real nice

over at Free Republic-try it there

[acmavm]

4. Are you actually that foolish to post something like that or did you

get confused and forget where you were posting?

[PennyK]

5. You're all alone!

Cindy is terrific.

[grytpype]

6. I tend to agree...

... she's had her moment, and it is possible to overdo a good thing.

[berner59]

14. Now is the perfect time for more Cindy coverage...

Her message is powerful and while Congress is finally waking up - we need to be reminded of what she represents...the REAL cost of this mess...

[lessthanjake]

29. Exactly

[CanOfWhoopAss]

52. OK then you step up and fill the void. Put up or ... nt

[pretzel4gore]

67. i doubt cindy cares about the PR, the optics

possibly being linked to cnnt/foxnews etc, you maybe exposed to whatever the mediawhores are TRYING to do to us, by TRYING to provoke a widespread reaction etc...maybe you're just being tweaked by the pigmedia? they expend vast sums running stuff past focus/reaction groups and doing polls to gauge reactions to how stories are presented; then resetting stories or issues with the desired ends in mind....maybe they are trying to get yall to be 'sick' of cindy, by constantly invoking her personna in an anti bush context, thus killing 2 birds with one stone: ie uplifting bush and debasing cindy.

[BJW]

9. So what would you have her do instead, and why

are you so worried about what other people might think about her that you think it's necessary to post this question?

[Solly Mack]

10. Exactly when does the duty to justice end?

It. Never. Ends.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

12. Get off your @$$ and help out and she won't have to bear the burden alone

If everyone who was sick of hearing about her did their part they wouldn't have to hear about her.

[No Exit]

13. "Am I the only one sick of George W. Bush?"

I just read on a CNN ticker thing at the bottom of the screen that Bush will be eating a wholesome, family-oriented, Thanksgiving meal at his mansion and estate on Thanksgiving. Am I the only one who is sick of him? He already performed his "duty". (PLEEEEEEEEZE, GEORGE, STOP PERFORMING YOUR "DUTY" NOW! YOU'VE HELPED US ENOUGH!!) Now he is compromising what he did by making himself look desperate to slime democrats and save his own lizard-like skin. He needs to stop.

[proud2BlibKansan]

210. LOL

Excellent response.

[No Exit]

237. Thanks! I have a feeling I'm not the only one sick of George W. Bush.

:toast:

[NV Whino]

15. Cindy can keep on keeping on as far as I'm concerned

When our congressional representatives stand up and do what she is doing, then she can take a rest.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. She certainly did her part to get this ball rolling...............

God bless this woman and what she has endured.

[Jim Sagle]

17. The only one on THIS board, probably.

[LittleClarkie]

18. Tough titty, said the kitty, but the milk was good.

Oh well. She's a'gonna do what she's a'gonna do.

[nickshepDEM]

19. Im sorta' with ya'.

[Vickers]

21. You have GOT to be fucking kidding me. Change your name to

"lessthansensible" or something.

[lessthanjake]

26. My god this is what gets to be annoying here

If anyone says something that people dont like insults are thrown around. Jesus fucking christ. I am as fucking liberal as they come. Dont attack your own kind. Its not productive.

[tavalon]

44. You mean

like you just attacked one of our kind, Cindy Sheehan.

Glass houses and all that.

[lessthanjake]

56. I knew you would say that

However, I didnt attack her. I simply said she should not go to Crawford again. Thats different than calling her an idiot like that guy called me.

[tavalon]

64. You're right

Sort of. It seemed like you were impugning her intelligence, in choosing to go back and in her understanding of issues.

Since I live about 150 miles from Crawford, I will be going up there to be with her and I think it will go over just fine. Eventually, the public could get sick of her but I don't think we're anywhere near that time.

[lessthanjake]

72. Well we simply disagree with that

I simply think that if I, being a very liberal guy, am starting to get a tad sick of her, that moderate Americans are probably going to get very sick of her.

[shraby]

117. The last I looked, this is still a relatively free country,

and Cindy can be pretty much anyplace her heart desires to be. If she feels parking her body outside Crawford is the place, that's where she should be. Bless her for her persistence. George still has yet to answer her question "Why".
We support her effort here on DU. And it's like I've always said, if you don't like it, don't look..change the channel. It's her business how she decides to challenge the war, not your's. Anyone who has lost their child in a war has earned the right to challenge.
Women who have lost their children to drunk drivers have made a big difference as have others in different circumstances changed the status quo...Amber Alert and America's Most Wanted, for two examples.

[Vickers]

54. You are being productive?

Write a letter to her voicing your concerns. Otherwise you are just bitching.

I had a problem with you and directed it at YOU. Try it!

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[lessthanjake]

110. Nice job twisting what I said

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[lessthanjake]

183. You acted like I am sick of the anti war movement when the opposite is tru

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[lessthanjake]

Where does that come from?

What are you even talking about?

[chalky]

209. And we're back to my post #180. I would type the reply all out again, but

I'm "sick of" retyping it.

[No Exit]

124. YOU'RE the one "attacking your own kind"!!!!!!

Unless I missed something... oh, are you IN FAVOR OF the fraudulent war in Iraq??

[lessthanjake]

131. No not at all am I in favor of the war

And thats why I want the anti war movement to be as strong as possible and to me that means that Sheehan shouldnt go to Crawford again.

[No Exit]

234. No need to micromanage. Just let everyone oppose this war in

his or her own way.

I want her in Crawford when Bush is there. But if she doesn't go, I'm not going to whine about it.

It's much better to use your energy to oppose this war in your own way, than to constantly criticize the efforts of others.

[spacelady]

178. Well "what gets to be annoying here" is a blanket insult to those having

the 'godly' given freedom to express, and being "as fucking liberal as they come" sounds like a very limiting place to be in your world vision. Pray tell your 'productive' conduct rules about not attacking your own kind, hmmm?

[lessthanjake]

181. I say it gets annoying here cause this isnt the first time

that I have been instantly attacked for views that are different than those of others here. I have no problem with disagreement but when its not civil thats when I have a problem.

[spacelady]

201. How does the term 'Jesus fucking Christ' and 'fucking liberal as they

come' translate into civil discourse? Answer the questions instead of whining, then perhaps your views will be handled civilly or at least differently.

[lessthanjake]

204. What?

[spacelady]

211. Review your response #26. n/t

On edit, your use of the erudite "What?" reminds me of some fragrant wiles used by repub types--a distracting technique implying that my post was not clear. Now that you have had time to think about it, please respond accordingly.

[omega minimo]

22. You mean

the only one in your Home Room?

[lessthanjake]

24. She isnt going to make anything happen

I am sorry but she isnt. If you notice the media has painted her as a mother who has gone through tragedy but also doesnt know shit about anything.

And to an extent they arent wrong. Shes a normal American. She isnt much more informed than anyone else and shes said a lot of rather dumb things. We dont want someone like that to be the face of the movement and that is what she is trying to be.

What will she accomplish by going back to the ranch? Media wont cover it much at all.

[TheCowsCameHome]

33. What sort of person trashes a mother that lost her son in a phony war?

This is what the RW does - tries to minimize the death of our finest.

[lessthanjake]

35. I didnt trash her

What she did was great and very important, but she can't have a good affect on the anti war efforts by doing it all over again.

[TheCowsCameHome]

49. It's important to keep this fire going - America is waking up.

And she lit that fire.

[lessthanjake]

77. She lit it and others can keep it going

[chalky]

219. Someone with more of an attention span than you have, it would seem.

Cindy founded Gold Star Families in January of this year, but has really been on the scene since Camp Casey began in August. That's between 11 and 4 months.

But YOU'RE sick of her.

Martin Luther King, Jr. led the bus boycott in 1955. He was was assasinated in 1968.

I can only imagine how "sick" you would have been of him after THIRTEEN WHOLE YEARS.

[tavalon]

48. She's quite well informed

Where did you get the idea she wasn't well informed?

[lessthanjake]

84. Ive just seen quotes of her

that unfortunately strike me as having a hint of an uninformed nature to them or maybe a slight bit of ignorance.

[DancingBear]

88. Here's a thought

When she is in Texas, go meet her.

Many of us have.

Then come back and tell us all about it.

Or you could just pretend.

[No Exit]

129. Admit it: you just enjoy arguing.

I've met posters, usually males, who just plain enjoy arguing. They will keep an argument going at all costs, no matter what absurdities they have to write to keep it going.

But I usually only met such jewels at rightwingnut websites.

[lessthanjake]

133. I do like arguing

But not with my own kind.

[No Exit]

233. Cindy Sheehan stands for: ANTI IRAQ WAR. That's not YOUR

own kind?

Seriously, have you read the freepster threads on her? Don't go there if you like arguing, because I think you'll agree with all the comments there.

[No Exit]

135. I would like to commend everyone for giving lessthanjake the argument

he desired. Obviously he just likes to argue, and I think we've all done our parts to assist him in feeling that pleasure.

Congrats to us all! It was the Christian thing to do.

[lessthanjake]

148. Dont be immature

[No Exit]

231. Physician, heal thyself.

[prescole]

221. You can detect gender over the Internet? Nice trick. nt

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[lessthanjake]

28. And why am I an idiot?

What do you base that on? Dont judge people based on one opinion. I am a very liberal person and probably agree with you on just about everything else.

[roguevalley]

39. If you're so educated, go out and lead the movement. Personally,

after Viet Nam, I am proud of ANYONE who takes as much shit as Cindy and keeps going. Bless you, Cindy. May you be among the last to know the true cost of war. A 'very liberal person' wouldn't tell someone else they have no more to say about the direction of our country. She is the first person to show to the ones not paying attention that Bush is a dick. Honor her.

[lessthanjake]

53. Yes she was the first to do that

and I do honor her for that but she needs to realize that its over. Shes made her mark. She should continue to go to anti war rallies and speak. But staying at the ranch all over again is in my opinion not a good idea.

[spacelady]

190. Please enlighten us as to how Cindy Sheehan is diluting the anti-war

effort by being consistent. If she dropped out now or changed her message, would she be a flip-flopper or a chickenhawk? What is your vision of hew she should conduct her anti-war campaign?

[lessthanjake]

191. Not go to Crawford again

Period

[A-Schwarzenegger]

47. Why not?

Very few idiots are self-knowing enough to ask why they're idiots,
so congrats.

[Gemini Cat]

104. Jumping jack flash on a river boat!

How many times are you going to tell us you're liberal!?!!
:eyes:

[lessthanjake]

111. It seems like it needs to be said what with everyone insulting me as if

I am the enemy.

[Pam-Moby]

30. I feel Cindy Sheehan will keep doing this

until Cindy Sheehan feels it enough. Its not your choice. If you don't like hearing about Cindy Sheehan then turn it to OFF.

[lessthanjake]

34. Thats not what its about

I know its not my choice. I never said it was. And Its not that I dont like hearing her, its that moderate Americans are going to start having a bad opinion of her and that would tarnish what she has done.

[Pool Hall Ace]

61. But I don't think moderate Americans will form a bad opinion of her.

As more and more Americans see how they have been duped by the clown prince, I believe they will want to join her. I don't see Cindy as a media whore; she is a regular person who wants an answer from the president: What was the noble cause that her son sacrificed his life for?

By posting herself in Crawford, she couldn't possibly make it any easier for Bush* to meet with her. As more eyes are opened, they will see what a twit he is for not giving her the time of day.

[lessthanjake]

66. Thats what happened the first time though

Thats the affect it originally had. I just feel that by going again people will start thinking of her as a media whore, and that is not what we want.

[Pool Hall Ace]

116. I think that as long as support for the war is falling, and Bush's*

poll numbers are falling, and Cindy has not received an answer to her question, I don't see any harm at all in her going back to Crawford.

Freeper-types will always have something bad to say about Cindy, so there's nothing we can do about them.

I understand your concern about media whoredom. For instance, I think Natalee Holloway's mother has crossed that line. Could Cindy Sheehan become a media whore? I suppose it's possible, but I don't see that happening right now, and we can agree to disagree on that. :hi:

[lessthanjake]

121. Well maybe you are right

I hope you are.

[Pam-Moby]

63. I do not think so!

And you do not speak for me lessthanjake!

[pretzel4gore]

112. the nazipoohs are so awful

ltj, why even bother putting anyone that defies them to any kind of test? why not use up every little drop of anger and thought and judgement and effort to attack the pig, and its whores?...cindy is a good woman, who has shown 70 million men(?) what a true patriot is, and there was no reward, not for defying something that, if it could, would gladly destroy cindy, when her boy died for it!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

36. Am I the only one sick of you?

No.

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[lessthanjake]

42. Been here for a month???

Not at all is that true. I was here well before the 2004 elections.

[musette_sf]

68. a whole two weeks n/t

[tavalon]

76. Actually the OP

has been here for one year and two weeks. Discuss what the poster said rather than using personal attacks. It's more effective and I think there is plenty here to disagree with without impugning this poster.

[Connie_Corleone]

85. I was beginning to think I was the only one on here taken aback

by the personal attacks on the OP.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

102. wrong place.

[lessthanjake]

94. Thank you

You seem like a very reasonable guy

[tavalon]

103. Girl ;)

It annoys the hell out of me when discourse is squelched by namecalling. You aren't espousing a popular view here but it doesn't mean we can't discuss it.

[lessthanjake]

113. Haha sorry about that one

I had a sneaking suspicion after I posted that that youd turn out to be female haha

[lessthanjake]

79. Meh I thought it was longer than that

but still it was a blatant lie to say ive only been here for a month.

[MaggieSwanson]

114. was going to point out

that the lessthanjake has been here for a little longer than a few weeks, but I've been beaten to the punch by more nimble fingers.

That said, I couldn't disagree more with the OP.

I was arrested for civil disobedience a year and 5 weeks ago. My coworkers were astonished - until they thought about it a little bit. Then the overwhelming response, whether they agreed with my stand or not, was that at least I was willing to put myself on the line for a cause I believed was just.

People like Cindy (and our own Meganmonkey and Joanie) keep civil disobedience in the discussion. They show us that we have a voice, and they invite us not to be afraid to use it.

Cindy Sheehan continues to speak for me!

[MercutioATC]

189. "Hates Cindy Sheehan"????? Where do you get that from the OP?

...or from any of the follow-up posts.

Jesus, this guy's stating an opinion about whether Cindy should tone it down a bit or not. What's the problem with that?

[Erika]

43. Cindy has her own agenda and can do as she wishes

She lost her son and has every right to express herself as she wishes...and to be respected for it.

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45. Long may she stand

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[lessthanjake]

57. I dislike the DLC

just for your information

[LoZoccolo]

81. What does this have to do with the DLC? n/t

[tavalon]

82. No

But what does that have to do with this discussion?

[TruthStream_dot_org]

50. You're a lonely person. lol. America Stands With Cindy! nt

[Generator]

51. Bush is

I can say that pretty safely. I think it's a riot she's kinda stalking him like the ghost of the conscience he apparently never had.

[musette_sf]

55. I won't be surprised

to see this post cited on some nutwinger site or email, as "proof" that DUers are "sick of Cindy Sheehan" :crazy:

In fact, I'm beginning to notice a trend here of this type of post (posting incongruent or just really bad ideas). Not good.

The earlier one was about how Dems should run Teddy and Hillary in 2008. :crazy:

[Connie_Corleone]

58. No need to call the OP names.

Getting back to your post:

Cindy Sheehan has a right to protest in Crawford for as long as she wants. If this is how she can best deal with her son's death, then so be it. She'll stop when our troops come home.

It doesn't matter what she does next because the anti-war movement is bigger than her now. Most of the American people don't want our troops in Iraq anymore.

[lessthanjake]

62. She certainly has a right to protest

my point was that I dont think it will further the anti war movement anymore.

[Connie_Corleone]

80. It probably won't. But...

She's doing this for her own reasons. The anti-war movement will take care of itself.

[jrthin]

65. Yes!

When you've got a dead son whose death makes no sense, then you can afford to be sick of her.

[Czolgosz]

71. Yes you are. Am I the only one sick of people bitching about Cindy?

[Pam-Moby]

83. You are not the only one Czolgosz

I am with you.

[GrumpyGreg]

86. Nope ! She's had her 15 minutes.

[Vickers]

92. Hahahaha, George WISHES she only had 15 minutes!

FUCK YOU, GEORGE!

[CanOfWhoopAss]

90. Why should the chimperor enjoy eggnog and loved ones during the holidays

when so many others have to endure another year without their loved ones. Cindy has to live the rest of her life without ever seeing her son during holiday season. I say do what ever she can to keep the chimperor's holidays just as miserable if not more so.

[lessthanjake]

97. She isnt camped in his house

He doesnt even have to ever see her...How would she make him miserable?

BTW I think he already is pretty damn miserable with or without her. Even Drudge reported that :)

[Vickers]

105. Oh, he fucking sees her. She pisses him off. Why do you think those

new county rules were passed?

Anyway, if Drudge says it, it must be, um, true.

[lessthanjake]

115. Drudge is a conservative mouthpiece

If he reports something that pleases liberals I would say it probably is true.

[Vickers]

125. Actually, I think those "reports" were to gain sympathy for the Wee King

An utter failure, I might add.

[lessthanjake]

137. I dont think so

Ive posted them on conservative sites and they all were a bit dumbfounded by it.

[CanOfWhoopAss]

107. He doesn't have to see her. God talks to him so chimpy will know.

He's got a staff and considering if he leaves to go anywhere there is one road in and out of the ranch. He'll have to drive by. If God doesn't tell him I'm sure a staffer will.

[lessthanjake]

118. Hes got a helicopter...

[No Exit]

128. Say hello to reality. She's making them ALL miserable!

You should hear how they speak of her. Just the other day I heard one of them call her "that Sheehan woman". I'm talking about the GUILTY red-state Bush worshippers. They DESERVE to be miserable.

And she IS embarrassing Bush. No doubt about it.

[Geek_Girl]

91. Is the War over?

Are all the troops back home? Did I miss something? Until every American soldier is home she will continue to fight and protest, and for the life of me I can't understand how anyone who is against this war would have a problem with that.

[lessthanjake]

95. I dont have a problem with THAT

I want her to continue to go to rallies and stuff, just not Crawford again.

[Geek_Girl]

123. Crawford is probably the best place

to protest in order to keep the anti-war movement in the press. And since the media won't show us what is actually going on in Iraq,
just maybe, her protest during the holidays, will remind the American public, sometime after they've gobbled down their holiday feast and in between the half time show, that our sons and daughters, bothers and sisters are getting blown to bits over there.

[lessthanjake]

139. I think that Crawford isnt the best place

She can get as much attention by having attending organized rallies in Washington. She needs to be part of the movement but not the face of it and thats the best way to do that.

[Geek_Girl]

158. She has attended organized rallies in Washington

and got no where near the media attention that she got in Crawford.

[lessthanjake]

163. Well obviously

But going to Crawford a second time also wont get near the media attention of the first time.

[UDenver20]

93. I'm sick of her ,too..

[prescole]

98. I'm with lessthanjake. No need to insult him for his opinion.

Cindy Sheehan deserves credit for helping to mobilize anti-war sentiments, but she isn't the best spokesperson by a long shot. Let Kucinich or Ron Paul take the lead--they're much more knowledgeable and savvy.
No one is saying Sheehan should go away--just that she's too shrill and naive to be the most visible anti-war activist. The media like confrontation and emotion, but the independents we need on our side are much more likely to be swayed by a more credible spokesperson.

[lessthanjake]

100. Exactly, and articulated better than I did

[tavalon]

108. Whether she is always articulate or not

She is the face of this movement. Kucinich can't get airtime. Ron Paul can't get airtime. Conyers gets minimal airtime. Cindy gets airtime.

She was the right person at the right moment and I don't think her moment has passed.

[dogman]

126. Now that she's made a statement, she can move to the back of the bus?

She is what she is. You sound like the RW with this crap about the face of the movement. If you took the time to listen to her you would understand that she is doing what she feels necessary and if people want to join her, fine. if they don't she's fine with that too. She made this stand when she was alone. If you have a different plan, go with it. Don't be an ass and deny her the right to do what she feels is her calling.

[lessthanjake]

142. I wont stop her

I just think she should stop. With that said though you cant make her out to be a totally alone person just doing what she feels is right. I mean she is getting advised and everything by democratic strategists. Be rest assured that a lot of what she does is calculated. Whether that is good or bad I dont know.

[dogman]

151. The only place I've heard that line is RW media.

She says it isn't true. What do you know that she doesn't? I think she was the first kick in the balls for W and I hope she keeps kicking.

[lessthanjake]

153. Look everything the media says isnt wrong

There were strategists down there with her. Now maybe they werent in control of everything but I am sure they advised her on good moves to do. But this is irrelevant. She was spontaneous at the beginning and that was part of her appeal. I think if she goes again she will start seeming stale.

[dogman]

157. I said RW media.

I've only heard it from the Bushco chorus. I think we're now at 2080 and rising. When the MSM is tired of her story you wont be bothered with it anymore.

[prescole]

212. "Don't be an ass"? "Back of the bus"?

No dissidents allowed at DU? Are you really comparing us to George Wallace and Bull Conner?

[dogman]

236. No dissidents allowed in Crawford?

A woman steps forward for a cause she feels is just and someone can just say enough, go away. I'd say that is a call to deny her her civil rights. Sounds like a bully to me.

[thebigidea]

132. well, step up to the plate. I bet you ooze with credibility.

[prescole]

216. SWING, batta batta batta. Where's your pitch? nt

[LittleClarkie]

141. However, we have no control over her or the media

They like the drama. And she's giving it. Like it or not, there it is.

[lessthanjake]

145. Thats true

and its what I liked about her to begin with. But by now its not drama anymore. Its old news

[A-Schwarzenegger]

106. Best flame-bait of the day.

[tavalon]

138. And it will no doubt be locked for that very reason

and yet, to me, it's been an interesting discussion.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

144. Yes, fascinating.

[tavalon]

154. Your post is sarcasm smiley free

and yet, I sense sarcasm.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

159. If you ever see a smiley in one of my posts,

somebody other than me will have been using my computer.

[ruggerson]

182. smileyphobic, eh?

;)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

193. Smileys will inherit the earth.

Thems & cockaroaches.

[spacelady]

217. Ha ha, you too? n/t

[AndyTiedye]

134. Love Cindy. Sick of Bush**

[Clarkie1]

136. Who the hell are you to tell her if and when she's "performed her duty?"

Cindy Sheehan will decide that, not you or anybody else.

If you're sick of her, then turn the t.v. off when you see her on the news.

[lessthanjake]

143. I keep seeing this false notion that I would actively stop her

No. I just would prefer if she didnt go to Crawford again.

[TK421]

146. Didn't you know that the God Warrior is in Crawford? All the more reason

for Cindy to be there

[radio4progressives]

164. Exactly! Who the hell ARE YOU to say she's "performed her duty"? n/t

[lessthanjake]

166. I am someone expressing my opinion based on what i think is

the best strategy to help us get out of Iraq the soonest possible.

[MercutioATC]

194. And I, for one, don't have a problem with that.

I really don't understand why some people have to get so shrill when somebody else states an opinion.

[Ian David]

149. Gratuitous flame retracted. n/t

[lessthanjake]

150. Uncalled for

Would you like to explain why you have that sentiment or do you just want to flame and leave.

[ruggerson]

152. I posted something similar to this a couple of months ago

and had similar reactions from many "peace loving" folks. Name calling, pejoratives, shrieking, gnashing of teeth, throwing things around the kitchen.

Hang in there. There's lots of good, solid liberals who agree with you. And it has nothing to do with not appreciating what a wonderful thing Cindy has done, nor does it have anything do to with not honoring her loss.

It has do do with strategically overstaying her welcome on the national stage - at some point it generates a backlash and starts to do the movement more harm than good. It's all simply about strategy and getting our kids back home safe and sound as quickly as possible.

But then, hey, it's her life and she can protest how she sees fit. It'll be up to her to decide when she's not useful anymore.

[lessthanjake]

155. Well said That is completely my sentiment here

[prescole]

218. None of us would stop her from doing her thing. Nor would we

question her integrity or insult her personally.
Can't we all just get along?

[Eugene]

156. Cindy Sheehan is right to shadow Bush like the conscience he lacks.

However, I do think that civil disobedience dilutes
her message.

Another protest vigil in Crawford is exactly right.

[radio4progressives]

161. Cindy Sheehan SPEAKS FOR ME, and I can tell you for

Hundreds of Thousands of American Citizens who marches with her.

I honestly believe, that if it weren't for Cindy Sheehan, we wouldn't be seeing plummeting polling numbers for the Bushevic support, and spiking poll numbers showing Americans are against this war and want our troups home now.

If Cindy Sheehan didn't raise the stakes and make the war on Iraq front and center last summer, we wouldn't be having the MSM finally talking about how we were LIED into this war.

The problem is with all this, it's happening after the fact and the war still drags on. We need to end that evil enterprise and if Cindy and the anti-war movement shuts up and goes away like you want her to, this evil war will continue with no end in sight.

So, as the Democratic Leadership pushes an end to this debachle inside the beltway, we need Cindy and everyone else to join to push this issue in the hearts and minds of the people in this country.

We have a short memory, and it's too easy to forget that this war continues on. Torture and abuse continues, Napalm continues the war has even escalated at the Syrian Borders and no one is raising the alarms on that point (read Cambodia).

And Cheney et al, keeps profiting from this war.

So NO, I'm not sick of Cindy. I'm goddam sick of Cheney and Bushwacks lying to us day after day after day.

[lessthanjake]

168. No we WOULD be seeing these poll numbers

We have:

1. Ethics problems
2. Katrina
3. Miers
4. Fiscal problems
5. Continuing problems IN iraq

She may have helped but shes hardly the reason.

[Erika]

162. Cindy has her own movement. Let her have it.

She doesn't have or claim ownership of the democratic party.

Why would anyone be concerned about her being on the national stage? It's her business.

[lessthanjake]

170. But she inevitably is linked to the Democratic Party whether we like it

or not

[dogman]

172. So is Lieberman, wouldn't your time be better spent removing him

from public view?

[lessthanjake]

174. Maybe. I have a deep disliking for him

[radio4progressives]

192. She's a PDA and NOT associated with the mainstream Dems.

Go do your homework...before spinning half truths and stuff out of context. And by the way, there's a raging evil war going on right now and it isn't even close to being over.

Torture and Abuse continues, Phosphorous weaponry against being used, and the media is "white washing" all of it.

So, it seems to me that your agenda to silence Cindy is a bit suspect to me.

[lessthanjake]

197. I would wager that most people who know who she is thinks that she is

associated with mainstream dems.

But thats not really the point.

[Erika]

238. I don't think she is, why do you? n/t

[beaconess]

185. No, you're not.

[FrenchieCat]

186. It ain't about you....it's about this country, and from where I am

sitting, things ain't that much "improved"!

It ain't "what have you done for me lately?" throw away hero time, is it?

[senseandsensibility]

196. When you have done a thousandth of what this lady

has done to damage this evil administration, you may have earned the right to criticize. I find your comment shallow and snide.

[lessthanjake]

199. Whats wrong with making some strategical comments

I am sorry but I feel it is right to point out my position that she has had her time to shine and that she should not try to regain it again.

[senseandsensibility]

207. You find your comments "strategical", do you?

That's interesting. Your strategy seems to consist of putting down a lady who lost her son in a useless war. Great. And yes, you are putting her down. You are accusing her of doing what she's done for attention. Pardon me if I don't agree with your strategy. Its brilliance is lost on me.

[spacelady]

222. Cindy Sheehan must scare you very much, you want to hide her light so bad.

[ProudDad]

241. As luck would have it

She isn't listening to you.

Have you noticed lately that she's not alone. Polls have it that 60% of the Citizens of the U.S. are in her corner. Pretty big Choir.

[zulchzulu]

202. NO!

She needs to do whatever she wants. As long as her voice and message is focused and not hijacked by others that water down her intentions, I say let her follow her heart.

[High Plains]

203. Hmmm, you're welcome to your opinion, of course...

...which you have now reiterated about 100 times. You asked if you were the only one sick of Cindy Sheehan, and in this crowd of DUers at least, you just about are. Maybe, given the response of your peers, you might want to rethink.

[lessthanjake]

205. I have actually gotten around 6-7 agreements even here.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

213. This is the internet, Dude.

You could post that your Aunt Marge's crockpot is really a spaceship
& you'd get 6-7 agreements from various kooks. Even if you are "as fucking liberal as they come."

[proud2BlibKansan]

208. You must not know anyone affected by this war

I don't either but I couldn't disagree with you more.

[upi402]

214. You are the only one O/P, or you should be

the only one that doesn't appreciate her devotion to America and her lost son.

[1932]

215. What, she's depriving you of your Paris Hilton time?

I think we could use a lot more of Cindy Sheehan.

[bloom]

220. Let's have about 200,000,000 more like her....

And Cindy can be the leader. :)

[LookManLook]

223. No

Megadittos

[MadisonProgressive]

224. My two cents n/t

[prescole]

225. lessthanjake, you are a bulldog! Valuable discussion IMHO. nt

[Kurovski]

226. I think Cindy should celebrate every holiday with George at his house.

George is a uniter (not a divider) and so will enjoy many different Americans coming together at his home. For them to be together on big occasions will make us a more cohesive nation. It would be a beautiful national tradition.

Sick of Cindy, the country's current number one, most gracious hostess? Nah! I never get sick of big get-togethers. But then, I'm a family-oriented "people-person".

[leesa]

227. Yes. I think you are. What have you done for your country?

[mtnsnake]

229. Cindy's "duty" wasn't to quit her mission before it was accomplished

so why should she stop?

She deserves all the credit in the world for sticking to her guns on this. Until Bush gets the guts to meet with her, then there is really no reason for her to stop.

[incapsulated]

230. Yeeeeaaah! Cindy Flamefest!

And about time, it's been weeks!

:woohoo:

[Arkana]

232. Yep. You are.

Cindy is Bush's worst nightmare--a grieving mother who wants answers. She didn't have any news coverage at the start, and she probably doesn't care if she has any now. Her mission was never about publicity--it was about finding out exactly what "noble cause" her son died for.

[buddysmellgood]

235. Would you stop if your kid was dead?

[ProudDad]

239. Yes

The only way to beat these bastards is to keep the pressure on, keep the pressure on, keep the pressure on in every way every day.

Repition my friend.
It's rove's weapon, it must be ours now.

The difference is that we repeat the Truth -- if the people can hear it, it WILL defeat their lies.

[BikeWriter]

243. Get real, please. She's a hero.

[The Magistrate]

244. Locking

This has become a flame-war.